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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by SickofStupidity on 02/05/18, 10:38 am

jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

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Post by SickofStupidity on 02/05/18, 10:46 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

And what is the impact to ECNL Texas Conference?

I presume that starts with a question of whether FCD and Solar send their #2 or #3 teams to FDL / ECNL (or even remain in ECNL).

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 02/05/18, 11:26 am

Big Ern wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:Not necessarily...but then again that’s sort of generalizing. Negativity as you may perceive it may just be simple aggravation of the constant...what we (maybe) perceive as unwarranted change. Don’t tell me you’re that cool you don’t sigh from frustration or even cuss at things you have no control over...it’s all good right?

It almost seems like you take it personal that posters express their distaste.

Understood AG, but hence the word "most".  And no -- Not many sighs or much frustration that I can recall ... and until someone writes something negative directed at one of my kids, I would never take anything written on this forum personally.

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Post by brazos on 02/05/18, 11:59 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

SRPL ceases to exist but there will be something similar put in place but just will have a different name per that press release.

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Post by Big Ern on 02/05/18, 12:27 pm

SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 02/05/18, 12:29 pm

Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

but LP is advertising their participation in the current SRPL...hmmm

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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by Big Ern on 02/05/18, 12:32 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

but LP is advertising their participation in the current SRPL...hmmm

God bless those guys ... I love you

Maybe they'll add a kid or two to play out this season?

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Post by jogobonito06 on 02/05/18, 12:41 pm

Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified? Separate league?
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Post by ForReal on 02/05/18, 12:42 pm

jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this? I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

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Post by Big Ern on 02/05/18, 12:57 pm

SickofStupidity wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

And what is the impact to ECNL Texas Conference?

I presume that starts with a question of whether FCD and Solar send their #2 or #3 teams to FDL / ECNL (or even remain in ECNL).

Love it TBurger!

Yes -- FDL is set up to be a "B" league as, in my opinion, it (SRPL) has been since the inception on the ECNL.  The same now goes for with ECNL with it's NPL (TCL is it's division here).  And no -- Cases of being able to field 2 elite teams in the same age group per club will be very rare anywhere across the country.  I believe much of the reason for this is that there are too many parents that think their kid is too good to play on the "B" team so will go to the next club for a spot on the GDA or ECNL team.

And SoSy --

Other than GDA now having it's HS playing + non restrictive substitution rules option, which may entice some to stay with/come back to the GDA clubs from the ECNL clubs, I don't think the USYS restructure will have much impact on ECNL TX other than losing Texans.

And from what I've seen and heard, I'd guess that at Solar and FCD the ECNL teams will generally be the #2, with FDL #3 for U14+ ... for 1 more year at least Wink

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 02/05/18, 01:17 pm

Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

And what is the impact to ECNL Texas Conference?

I presume that starts with a question of whether FCD and Solar send their #2 or #3 teams to FDL / ECNL (or even remain in ECNL).

Love it TBurger!

Yes -- FDL is set up to be a "B" league as, in my opinion, it (SRPL) has been since the inception on the ECNL.  The same now goes for with ECNL with it's NPL (TCL is it's division here).  And no -- Cases of being able to field 2 elite teams in the same age group per club will be very rare anywhere across the country.  I believe much of the reason for this is that there are too many parents that think their kid is too good to play on the "B" team so will go to the next club for a spot on the GDA or ECNL team.

And SoSy --

Other than GDA now having it's HS playing + non restrictive substitution rules option, which may entice some to stay with/come back to the GDA clubs from the ECNL clubs, I don't think the USYS restructure will have much impact on ECNL TX other than losing Texans.

And from what I've seen and heard, I'd guess that at Solar and FCD the ECNL teams will generally be the #2, with FDL #3 for U14+ ... for 1 more year at least Wink

come again.....
I dont read a lot of informative articles...thats why i ask so many question lol. but did I miss something?

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Post by Big Ern on 02/05/18, 01:21 pm

ForReal wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

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Post by Big Ern on 02/05/18, 01:27 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

And what is the impact to ECNL Texas Conference?

I presume that starts with a question of whether FCD and Solar send their #2 or #3 teams to FDL / ECNL (or even remain in ECNL).

Love it TBurger!

Yes -- FDL is set up to be a "B" league as, in my opinion, it (SRPL) has been since the inception on the ECNL.  The same now goes for with ECNL with it's NPL (TCL is it's division here).  And no -- Cases of being able to field 2 elite teams in the same age group per club will be very rare anywhere across the country.  I believe much of the reason for this is that there are too many parents that think their kid is too good to play on the "B" team so will go to the next club for a spot on the GDA or ECNL team.

And SoSy --

Other than GDA now having it's HS playing + non restrictive substitution rules option, which may entice some to stay with/come back to the GDA clubs from the ECNL clubs, I don't think the USYS restructure will have much impact on ECNL TX other than losing Texans.

And from what I've seen and heard, I'd guess that at Solar and FCD the ECNL teams will generally be the #2, with FDL #3 for U14+ ... for 1 more year at least Wink

come again.....
I dont read a lot of informative articles...thats why i ask so many question lol. but did I miss something?

You may have AG --

The FDL participants will be allowed to play HS ball, and the matches will not abide by FIFA substitution rules.  

As we all know, many of the kid's (errr ... parent's) significant gripe with GDA are those two items.  For those that opted for ECNL because of them, they now have FDL if they wish + can participate in State Cup and the Regional/National USYS Championships.

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 02/05/18, 01:28 pm

Im back..
Legues next season: In order

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ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here
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Post by AggieSoccer51 on 02/05/18, 01:35 pm

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

What do you mean when you say "mix of team players"? team players that are not on 1st or 2nd or 3rd teams?

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 02/05/18, 01:46 pm

dakobbie03 wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

What do you mean when you say "mix of team players"?  team players that are not on 1st or 2nd or 3rd teams?

Let me clarify: Not sure. Could be new team or you move a whole team within the club into this spot.
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Post by Lefty on 02/05/18, 01:58 pm

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

Also important to many kids and parents, particularly if they are paying, is how open is the roster from game to game for the various options?

Is there any semblance of a fixed team roster for the year, or is it an open pool concept game to game on who will be rostered and who will be active?

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 02/05/18, 02:08 pm

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Legues next season: In order

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ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

What do you mean when you say "mix of team players"?  team players that are not on 1st or 2nd or 3rd teams?

Let me clarify: Not sure. Could be new team or you move a whole team within the club into this spot.

The problem is the Composite term isn't used as strictly as it should be, and that causes confusion.

The only official ECNL Composite age group in the TX conference is U18/U19. For league play, those teams do travel with the other ECNL teams in the club, and play their matches on the same dates, at the same locations, as the other ECNL age groups. However, these U18/U19 ECNL Composite teams do NOT participate in the ECNL National Showcases, nor do they have any post-season playoffs.

The ECNL composite teams will be the #2 U18/U19 team at Sting and D'Feeters, and are standalone teams. Not sure what the heck FCD and Solar will cobble together for that this year, relative to DA, FPL, and ECNL.

"Composite" teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL. For Sting and D'Feeters, I think both clubs still use the term "composite" to the teams they place in TCL, which for U17 and below, are generally the #2 teams in the age group for the club.

Again, not sure what terminology, or what level of team FCD, Solar, and Texans will place in TCL this year.


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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 02/05/18, 02:12 pm

"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.
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Post by AggieSoccer51 on 02/05/18, 02:13 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
dakobbie03 wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

What do you mean when you say "mix of team players"?  team players that are not on 1st or 2nd or 3rd teams?

Let me clarify: Not sure. Could be new team or you move a whole team within the club into this spot.

The problem is the Composite term isn't used as strictly as it should be, and that causes confusion.

The only official ECNL Composite age group in the TX conference is U18/U19.  For league play, those teams do travel with the other ECNL teams in the club, and play their matches on the same dates, at the same locations, as the other ECNL age groups.  However, these U18/U19 ECNL Composite teams do NOT participate in the ECNL National Showcases, nor do they have any post-season playoffs.  

The ECNL composite teams will be the #2 U18/U19 team at Sting and D'Feeters, and are standalone teams.  Not sure what the heck FCD and Solar will cobble together for that this year, relative to DA, FPL, and ECNL.

"Composite" teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL.  For Sting and D'Feeters, I think both clubs still use the term "composite" to the teams they place in TCL, which for U17 and below, are generally the #2 teams in the age group for the club.

Again, not sure what terminology, or what level of team FCD, Solar, and Texans will place in TCL this year.


Is it for sure that FC Dallas and Solar will be able to have a team in ECNL? if so, why hasn't ECNL listed them on their site?

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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 02/05/18, 02:15 pm

They will have ECNL
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Post by DeltaTauChi on 02/05/18, 02:26 pm

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

IMO, "affiliation" doesn't mean squat unless the composite teams in the younger age groups will actually play their league matches on the same dates and at the same locations as the primary ECNL teams.

TCL as it has played out over the past 2 years, was a complete waste of time and money to the parents/players involved.  The competition level was no different to what LH D1 was before TCL, and just like LH D1 league matches, college coaches aren't showing up at TCL league matches.  So why spend the money to travel to Houston, Austin/SA, and OK if you aren't getting any college exposure benefit out of it?

FPL will be no different from TCL, unless FPL can get it right and coordinate the FPL schedule with the DA schedule.  Then, you might actually have a chance at getting some recruiting benefit from the regional travel.

As it stands today, the only benefit of TCL and FPL is to the clubs, as they no longer have to concern themselves with relegation if their #2 team in any age group sucks.


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Post by DeltaTauChi on 02/05/18, 02:37 pm

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:They will have ECNL

The best thing all around would be if FCD, Solar, and ECNL would just fully part ways with each other.

ECNL TX conference is better served without 2nd Tier Solar and FCD teams, and FPL will be better served without 3rd tier Solar and FCD teams.

The overall talent pool isn't changing. Each year, the majority of the NCAA D1 girls soccer talent consolidates to ~3-4 teams in NTX. Those are the only teams that need to be traveling and playing on a regional and national basis. The next tier is perfectly served playing locally in NTX, and playing in the better regional (non-ECNL, non-DA) showcases.

2-3 DA clubs + 2-3 ECNL clubs would suit this purpose. Stay out of each others lanes and let the parents/players decide which club/format suits them the best.

Of course egos and the almighty $$$ won't let that happen without creating an absolute mess of things (2018-2019) first.


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Post by Big Ern on 02/05/18, 02:40 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

IMO, "affiliation" doesn't mean squat unless the composite teams in the younger age groups will actually play their league matches on the same dates and at the same locations as the primary ECNL teams.

TCL as it has played out over the past 2 years, was a complete waste of time and money to the parents/players involved.  The competition level was no different to what LH D1 was before TCL, and just like LH D1 league matches, college coaches aren't showing up at TCL league matches.  So why spend the money to travel to Houston, Austin/SA, and OK if you aren't getting any college exposure benefit out of it?

FPL will be no different from TCL, unless FPL can get it right and coordinate the FPL schedule with the DA schedule.  Then, you might actually have a chance at getting some recruiting benefit from the regional travel.

As it stands today, the only benefit of TCL and FPL is to the clubs, as they no longer have to concern themselves with relegation if their #2 team in any group sucks.

Agreed DTX when it comes to TCL.  

But it looks like the plan for FDL is indeed to coordinate schedules with GDA when it comes to travel to those clubs specifically.  As I've mentioned, this is likely a major reason that the GDA clubs chose this path -- logistical efficiency.  Also, it looks like in addition to the league matches, and the USYS Championships pathway, they'll be participating in a GDA Showcase with the DPL (soon to be renamed when added to the USYS umbrella) which is the exact same concept in SoCal.

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 02/05/18, 02:53 pm

Big Ern wrote:
DeltaTauChi wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

IMO, "affiliation" doesn't mean squat unless the composite teams in the younger age groups will actually play their league matches on the same dates and at the same locations as the primary ECNL teams.

TCL as it has played out over the past 2 years, was a complete waste of time and money to the parents/players involved.  The competition level was no different to what LH D1 was before TCL, and just like LH D1 league matches, college coaches aren't showing up at TCL league matches.  So why spend the money to travel to Houston, Austin/SA, and OK if you aren't getting any college exposure benefit out of it?

FPL will be no different from TCL, unless FPL can get it right and coordinate the FPL schedule with the DA schedule.  Then, you might actually have a chance at getting some recruiting benefit from the regional travel.

As it stands today, the only benefit of TCL and FPL is to the clubs, as they no longer have to concern themselves with relegation if their #2 team in any group sucks.

Agreed DTX when it comes to TCL.  

But it looks like the plan for FDL is indeed to coordinate schedules with GDA when it comes to travel to those clubs specifically.  As I've mentioned, this is likely a major reason that the GDA clubs chose this path -- logistical efficiency.  Also, it looks like in addition to the league matches, and the USYS Championships pathway, they'll be participating in a GDA Showcase with the DPL (soon to be renamed when added to the USYS umbrella) which is the exact same concept in SoCal.

Yeah, but depending on where that FPL/DPL showcase is held, it's going to be a waste of time and money for one or both of those groups.  The DPL kids in SoCal are 2nd tier players, just like the FPL kids in TX/OK will be.  90%+ of the DPL kids aren't going to go to college outside of driving distance of SoCal, and 90+% of the FPL kids aren't going to go to college outside of driving distance of DFW, so why the hell do you need to go to a showcase to play in front of a bunch of coaches from schools that 90% of them will never even consider.

As it stands today, the kids that will make up FPL and TCL rosters, get the bulk of their recruiting exposure either from going to camps (usually the on-campus ones from schools they are interested in), or from the regional showcases like TX Cup, DIGC, FC Dallas, Lonestar, Lexus Cup, etc.   Maybe, if the DA and ECNL clubs can figure out how to coordinate the FPL and Composite/TCL schedules with the #1 teams, they may actually get some coach traffic at league matches.  If they can't, then those players are being no better served than if all of those teams had just stayed in LH and played the necessary showcases, and their parents would save a couple thousand $$$ per year.

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Post by ForReal on 02/05/18, 03:01 pm

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What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

BigE, isn't FPL going to be a separate league but those teams might also participate in the USYS National League? Or are you suggesting that FPL will be the regional league for USYS? I recognize they are calling it the National League Frontier Conference, but they aren't saying that it is only the GDA clubs that are included with their second teams.

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