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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by ForReal on Wed May 02, 2018 4:01 pm

Big Ern wrote:
ForReal wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

BigE, isn't FPL going to be a separate league but those teams might also participate in the USYS National League? Or are you suggesting that FPL will be the regional league for USYS? I recognize they are calling it the National League Frontier Conference, but they aren't saying that it is only the GDA clubs that are included with their second teams.

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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by DeltaTauChi on Wed May 02, 2018 4:11 pm

ForReal wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
ForReal wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

BigE, isn't FPL going to be a separate league but those teams might also participate in the USYS National League?  Or are you suggesting that FPL will be the regional league for USYS?  I recognize they are calling it the National League Frontier Conference, but they aren't saying that it is only the GDA clubs that are included with their second teams.

In typical USSF fashion, that press release was about as clear as mud.

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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by Big Ern on Wed May 02, 2018 4:14 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
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Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

IMO, "affiliation" doesn't mean squat unless the composite teams in the younger age groups will actually play their league matches on the same dates and at the same locations as the primary ECNL teams.

TCL as it has played out over the past 2 years, was a complete waste of time and money to the parents/players involved.  The competition level was no different to what LH D1 was before TCL, and just like LH D1 league matches, college coaches aren't showing up at TCL league matches.  So why spend the money to travel to Houston, Austin/SA, and OK if you aren't getting any college exposure benefit out of it?

FPL will be no different from TCL, unless FPL can get it right and coordinate the FPL schedule with the DA schedule.  Then, you might actually have a chance at getting some recruiting benefit from the regional travel.

As it stands today, the only benefit of TCL and FPL is to the clubs, as they no longer have to concern themselves with relegation if their #2 team in any group sucks.

Agreed DTX when it comes to TCL.  

But it looks like the plan for FDL is indeed to coordinate schedules with GDA when it comes to travel to those clubs specifically.  As I've mentioned, this is likely a major reason that the GDA clubs chose this path -- logistical efficiency.  Also, it looks like in addition to the league matches, and the USYS Championships pathway, they'll be participating in a GDA Showcase with the DPL (soon to be renamed when added to the USYS umbrella) which is the exact same concept in SoCal.

Yeah, but depending on where that FPL/DPL showcase is held, it's going to be a waste of time and money for one or both of those groups.  The DPL kids in SoCal are 2nd tier players, just like the FPL kids in TX/OK will be.  90%+ of the DPL kids aren't going to go to college outside of driving distance of SoCal, and 90+% of the FPL kids aren't going to go to college outside of driving distance of DFW, so why the hell do you need to go to a showcase to play in front of a bunch of coaches from schools that 90% of them will never even consider.

As it stands today, the kids that will make up FPL and TCL rosters, get the bulk of their recruiting exposure either from going to camps (usually the on-campus ones from schools they are interested in), or from the regional showcases like TX Cup, DIGC, FC Dallas, Lonestar, Lexus Cup, etc.   Maybe, if the DA and ECNL clubs can figure out how to coordinate the FPL and Composite/TCL schedules with the #1 teams, they may actually get some coach traffic at league matches.  If they can't, then those players are being no better served than if all of those teams had just stayed in LH and played the necessary showcases, and their parents would save a couple thousand $$$ per year.

I'd argue that $ spent isn't everything to do with college recruitment.  

I also disagree with this as I believe that more than 1 of 10 of those kids have aspirations of going to a school outside of their immediate home area, and the given that there were 300-400 college coaches at each of the first two ever GDA Showcases, it's a bit naive to say that a spattering of coaches from all over (including near their hometowns) won't ever wander on over to watch an FDL/DPL match.  I saw recruitment of the DPL kids first hand at the Silverlakes Showcase last November.

And as I mentioned, it looks like the GDA clubs will be coordinating league play schedules with FDL since the TX + OK clubs are all in the same boat.

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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by Big Ern on Wed May 02, 2018 4:24 pm

ForReal wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
ForReal wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

BigE, isn't FPL going to be a separate league but those teams might also participate in the USYS National League?  Or are you suggesting that FPL will be the regional league for USYS?  I recognize they are calling it the National League Frontier Conference, but they aren't saying that it is only the GDA clubs that are included with their second teams.

From what I've heard and read, the way I understand it all is that FDL (the "P" is silent fellas Wink ) will be completely taking the place of the current SRPL for USYS next year and going forward.  If ya have a look at both the USYS and the Texans announcement (https://www.dallastexans.com/news_article/show/912843?referrer_id=842305), I'll bet you'll be able to put 2 and 2 together yourselves.

If you still have questions, I'd bet Chris over at USYS would be happy to answer ... cmoore@usyouthsoccer.org


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Post by Big Ern on Wed May 02, 2018 4:31 pm

"In typical USSF fashion, that press release was about as clear as mud."

Not cool to get USSF confused with USYS there DTX ... Wink

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Post by ForReal on Wed May 02, 2018 4:33 pm

Big Ern wrote:
ForReal wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
ForReal wrote:
jogobonito06 wrote:
Big Ern wrote:

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

BigE, isn't FPL going to be a separate league but those teams might also participate in the USYS National League?  Or are you suggesting that FPL will be the regional league for USYS?  I recognize they are calling it the National League Frontier Conference, but they aren't saying that it is only the GDA clubs that are included with their second teams.

From what I've heard and read, the way I understand it all is that FDL (the "P" is silent fellas Wink ) will be completely taking the place of the current SRPL for USYS next year and going forward.  If ya have a look at both the USYS and the Texans announcement (https://www.dallastexans.com/news_article/show/912843?referrer_id=842305), I'll bet you'll be able to put 2 and 2 together yourselves.

If you still have questions, I'd bet Chris over at USYS would be happy to answer ... cmoore@usyouthsoccer.org

I'm not seeking to create a debate.  We shouldn't have to put two and two together and I'm mostly just curious because the Texans' press release says, "In addition to the FDL league, teams will be allowed to play in USYS National League . . ."

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Post by DeltaTauChi on Wed May 02, 2018 4:45 pm

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I'd argue that $ spent isn't everything to do with college recruitment.  

I also disagree with this as I believe that more than 1 of 10 of those kids have aspirations of going to a school outside of their immediate home area, and the given that there were 300-400 college coaches at each of the first two ever GDA Showcases, it's a bit naive to say that a spattering of coaches from all over (including near their hometowns) won't ever wander on over to watch an FDL/DPL match.  I saw recruitment of the DPL kids first hand at the Silverlakes Showcase last November.

And as I mentioned, it looks like the GDA clubs will be coordinating league play schedules with FDL since the TX + OK clubs are all in the same boat.

Never said that. The coaches will wander over, and maybe something will come out of it for 1 or 2 kids out of 100. However, for the 90+% of the other kids, they are getting nothing out of it. I'm going to stick to my 90%+ numbers as I think they are pretty accurate from reading over many different college commitment lists over the years, and looking at many different college rosters (again, I'm talking about the kids from the #2 teams at these clubs, not the kids from the #1 teams from these clubs).

Maybe >10% of those kids have aspirations of going to a college outside of driving distance. Maybe >10% will end up there for academics, or because Mommy or Daddy went there, but >10% will NOT end up at a school like that AND be playing soccer at that school. Just ain't happening.

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Post by DeltaTauChi on Wed May 02, 2018 4:48 pm

Big Ern wrote:"In typical USSF fashion, that press release was about as clear as mud."

Not cool to get USSF confused with USYS there DTX ... Wink

Oh, trust me, I know exactly what I was saying. Wink

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Post by DeltaTauChi on Wed May 02, 2018 5:06 pm

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And as I mentioned, it looks like the GDA clubs will be coordinating league play schedules with FDL since the TX + OK clubs are all in the same boat.

Forgot to mention... For the sake of the FDL players, I hope you are correct with this, but I'll believe it when I see it. The ECNL clubs said that was their intention with TCL when it was introduced (at least for the league matches when 2 ECNL clubs were playing each other), but for the most part, it never materialized.

The #2 teams at these clubs always manage to get treated like #2 teams. Don't see why changing the acronym or changing the governing body will change the behavior.

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Post by soccertard on Wed May 02, 2018 5:16 pm

Solar parents got an interesting email today...Anyone care to share?

Oh, and if you have text messages between you and the coaches or managers, please share that too.

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Post by Bodhisattva on Wed May 02, 2018 5:34 pm

soccertard wrote:Solar parents got an interesting email today...Anyone care to share?

Oh, and if you have text messages between you and the coaches or managers, please share that too.

Welcome the SS.

You mean the email that confirmed that there are now two "big" wigs at Solar?

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Post by soccertard on Wed May 02, 2018 5:38 pm

Very delicious email.

Can anyone share some text messages between the current parents and coaches/managers?
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Post by AngelinaGoalee on Wed May 02, 2018 5:49 pm

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soccertard wrote:Solar parents got an interesting email today...Anyone care to share?

Oh, and if you have text messages between you and the coaches or managers, please share that too.

Welcome the SS.

You mean the email that confirmed that there are now two "big" wigs at Solar?

You’re funny....lmao

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Post by Bodhisattva on Wed May 02, 2018 5:51 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
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soccertard wrote:Solar parents got an interesting email today...Anyone care to share?

Oh, and if you have text messages between you and the coaches or managers, please share that too.

Welcome the SS.

You mean the email that confirmed that there are now two "big" wigs at Solar?

You’re funny....lmao

Bodhisattva thanks you for engaging in humor.

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Post by Medicine Man on Wed May 02, 2018 5:58 pm

Sounds like too many chiefs in the teepee who's scalp is on the totem pole.

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Post by Guest on Wed May 02, 2018 6:19 pm

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Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

IMO, "affiliation" doesn't mean squat unless the composite teams in the younger age groups will actually play their league matches on the same dates and at the same locations as the primary ECNL teams.

TCL as it has played out over the past 2 years, was a complete waste of time and money to the parents/players involved.  The competition level was no different to what LH D1 was before TCL, and just like LH D1 league matches, college coaches aren't showing up at TCL league matches.  So why spend the money to travel to Houston, Austin/SA, and OK if you aren't getting any college exposure benefit out of it?

FPL will be no different from TCL, unless FPL can get it right and coordinate the FPL schedule with the DA schedule.  Then, you might actually have a chance at getting some recruiting benefit from the regional travel.

As it stands today, the only benefit of TCL and FPL is to the clubs, as they no longer have to concern themselves with relegation if their #2 team in any age group sucks.

This is spot on. I’d even go as far as saying a number of these teams would struggle keeping pace with many LH D2 teams throughout the duration of complete league schedule.

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Post by Medicine Man on Wed May 02, 2018 7:19 pm

This story sounds familar... hmmmm.


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Post by soccerjack on Wed May 02, 2018 7:24 pm

You all are just a bunch of good ol boys that don't like change for the sake of change. I'm sure it's an issue with the letters. Tcl is bad, fdl is good. All better now, money goes to a different place and it's new and improved. Chaos is good...right bige?
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Post by Big Ern on Wed May 02, 2018 7:31 pm

soccerjack wrote:You all are just a bunch of good ol boys that don't like change for the sake of change. I'm sure it's an issue with the letters. Tcl is bad, fdl is good. All better now, money goes to a different place and it's new and improved. Chaos is good...right bige?


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Post by Medicine Man on Wed May 02, 2018 7:37 pm

Rec was no good PPL was no good LH was no good TCL no good now we got DPL...the pyramid is expanding. More like a conspiracy.

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Post by soccerjack on Thu May 03, 2018 12:02 am

Big Ern wrote:
soccerjack wrote:You all are just a bunch of good ol boys that don't like change for the sake of change. I'm sure it's an issue with the letters. Tcl is bad, fdl is good. All better now, money goes to a different place and it's new and improved. Chaos is good...right bige?


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Post by ForReal on Thu May 03, 2018 12:36 am

ForReal wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
ForReal wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
ForReal wrote:
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What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

BigE, isn't FPL going to be a separate league but those teams might also participate in the USYS National League?  Or are you suggesting that FPL will be the regional league for USYS?  I recognize they are calling it the National League Frontier Conference, but they aren't saying that it is only the GDA clubs that are included with their second teams.

From what I've heard and read, the way I understand it all is that FDL (the "P" is silent fellas Wink ) will be completely taking the place of the current SRPL for USYS next year and going forward.  If ya have a look at both the USYS and the Texans announcement (https://www.dallastexans.com/news_article/show/912843?referrer_id=842305), I'll bet you'll be able to put 2 and 2 together yourselves.

If you still have questions, I'd bet Chris over at USYS would be happy to answer ... cmoore@usyouthsoccer.org

I'm not seeking to create a debate.  We shouldn't have to put two and two together and I'm mostly just curious because the Texans' press release says, "In addition to the FDL league, teams will be allowed to play in USYS National League . . ."

BigE, tell me I’m wrong. Or admit you are wrong: https://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/six-girls-da-clubs-expand-to-compete-in-frontier-development-league/


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Post by Big Ern on Thu May 03, 2018 1:35 am

soccerjack wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
soccerjack wrote:You all are just a bunch of good ol boys that don't like change for the sake of change. I'm sure it's an issue with the letters. Tcl is bad, fdl is good. All better now, money goes to a different place and it's new and improved. Chaos is good...right bige?


Duuude.  You're startin' to live up to your name --

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Mornin' jackie --

Rather than this ^ doltishness (to be honest, not even sure if that's a word, but it just fits here doesn't it?), how bout ya come up with something a bit more bonafide.  You know ... Rather than mindlessly throw out sarcastic, condescending, fallacious stuff like this just because, maybe provide a tidbit (since you're so keen on breaking my balls) from this thread I've written that in your mind is senseless, misguided, absolutely false, whatever --

Cuz that'd be super.

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Re: NTX girl soccer speculations

Post by Big Ern on Thu May 03, 2018 1:41 am

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BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --

BigE, isn't FPL going to be a separate league but those teams might also participate in the USYS National League?  Or are you suggesting that FPL will be the regional league for USYS?  I recognize they are calling it the National League Frontier Conference, but they aren't saying that it is only the GDA clubs that are included with their second teams.

From what I've heard and read, the way I understand it all is that FDL (the "P" is silent fellas Wink ) will be completely taking the place of the current SRPL for USYS next year and going forward.  If ya have a look at both the USYS and the Texans announcement (https://www.dallastexans.com/news_article/show/912843?referrer_id=842305), I'll bet you'll be able to put 2 and 2 together yourselves.

If you still have questions, I'd bet Chris over at USYS would be happy to answer ... cmoore@usyouthsoccer.org

I'm not seeking to create a debate.  We shouldn't have to put two and two together and I'm mostly just curious because the Texans' press release says, "In addition to the FDL league, teams will be allowed to play in USYS National League . . ."

BigE, tell me I’m wrong. Or admit you are wrong: https://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/six-girls-da-clubs-expand-to-compete-in-frontier-development-league/


Really ... This ^?  Astounding.  May wanna read through that one again.

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The reality is here, Mr. FoReal, that sifting through and posting another club announcement in an effort to debate (exactly what you mentioned ya didn't want to do) 8+ hours after the convo ended is a bit perturbing isn't it?  Especially given that not a shred of this one contains anything at all contradictory to any of what I've written today (err ... yesterday).  So.  Alrighty then.

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Post by Medicine Man on Thu May 03, 2018 7:32 am

Let's sit around the campfire and roast some weinies and marshmallows and sing songs together.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on Thu May 03, 2018 7:53 am

All this and I still can’t believe SA and GA are at Solar...

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