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Post by Soccermom247 on 16/05/18, 10:43 pm

Does anyone know when the tryouts start for the 2018-2019 season starts up??

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Re: ODP question

Post by Zizou on 17/05/18, 06:37 am

You will probably need to check the NTX soccer website.

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Re: ODP question

Post by boilerjoe_96 on 17/05/18, 06:45 am

Last couple years it has been mid to late August. But Z offers great advice.
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Re: ODP question

Post by Soccermom247 on 17/05/18, 07:59 am

Yes I have looked there but no info yet but thank u

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Re: ODP question

Post by Blank77 on 17/05/18, 08:10 am

ODP? They still doing that?
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Re: ODP question

Post by Soccermom247 on 17/05/18, 10:33 am

Yes

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Re: ODP question

Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 17/05/18, 10:43 am

http://www.ntxsoccer.org/odp/2018_odp_girls_springl_schedule/

http://www.ntxsoccer.org/odp/2018_odp_boys_springl_schedule/


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01,02, 03 Girls

All Saints’ Episcopal School
McNair Stadium
9601 N Normandale St
Fort Worth, TX  76108

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May 20

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Denton, Texas
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Post by Soccermom247 on 17/05/18, 09:38 pm

Thank You but I think this is for the 2017-2018 year.

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Re: ODP question

Post by soccer 2014 on 17/05/18, 10:12 pm

Take this free advise..... dont waste your time on North Texas
ODP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: ODP question

Post by MomOnTheGo on 17/05/18, 10:34 pm

Tryouts should be around September, if I recall. Like over 2-3 weekends. For what it's worth, my daughter loves it. Granted, she's 11, but it was fun for her to see other coaching styles and play with girls across the metroplex. And she loved traveling for the state friendlies. I think she has an "ODP friend" on about 15 of the LH teams so for her, it isn't a waste of time. And for those who call it a "money grab", it's a fraction of the costs on what we pay for club dues. Hardly a money grab.
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Re: ODP question

Post by Zizou on 18/05/18, 05:54 am

Cost to pool train is very cheap. Regional camp if you are chosen to participate will be a pocket book shocker.

Yes the state team games in College Station, North Texas, and California were a lot of fun to attend, but it seemed as we got older their was always a conflict with ECNL that kept us from attending.

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Re: ODP question

Post by TxFutbal on 18/05/18, 09:15 am

So I am confused.  Doesn't ODP and DA have the same mission (find and develop the top 10%) run by essentially the same soccer rulers?  If so, why two different programs?  Why would I want to take my DD to ODP vs DA?  Can my DD do both if they are different? If not, why?  Do they teach the kids differently where one is detrimental to development?  Do the coaches for ODP and DA implement the same development program since both have "Development" in their names and run by the same soccer rulers?  Do the some of the same DA coaches also coach ODP? Do ODP coaches have to have the same level of "certification" as the DA coaches?  

BTW.. Has anyone done any analysis on wins/losses by coaching certification from any of the girls leagues/tournaments?  I have started compiling from various leagues/tournaments with a small sample from the various age groups and so far the "D's" are kicking the "A's" butts.  Hmmm..

I hope the soccer bosses can shed some light on this for us common folks on why the two programs colonel.  I'm not clear.

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Re: ODP question

Post by AFC-E-Rules on 18/05/18, 09:48 am

ODP is not year round, it is training outside of your club. DA is year round, better training, etc... If your goal is exposure to scouts, National team etc.., DA is best path IMO! That assumes you BB or DD can make a DA roster.
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Re: ODP question

Post by TxFutbal on 18/05/18, 09:58 am

How can it be better training when both have the same mission and have some of the same coaches teaching both DA and ODP? I am looking for serious answers to the questions not blanket statements that DA is better.

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Re: ODP question

Post by AFC-E-Rules on 18/05/18, 10:05 am

This was just my opinion, as stated. Sorry you feel my opinion is not serious enough for you. Another option is to just google it and do your own research.
https://www.active.com/soccer/articles/what-you-need-to-know-about-odp-881316
While they both have the same goals, the answer is really in frequency or touches as they like to call it. More touches in DA as your are with your club, playing other highly competitive teams more often.
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Re: ODP question

Post by goscore! on 18/05/18, 10:09 am

One major difference is the hours of training/playing. DA is approx 4 times a week and ODP, 1-2 times a month. Secondly, are DA coaches really ODP coaches? I don't know but I wouldn't think so, since the players can't do both, per DA rules...not to say the coaching wouldn't be equal, but for ODP, there's just not enough hours with the players.
Also cost, DA is cheaper.
DA and even ECNL offer more exposure across the board ( if you make it to the highest levels of ODP, I'm sure the exposure is there, but you'll be shelling out the money until then, with little to no college/national team exposure)

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Post by TxFutbal on 18/05/18, 10:22 am

Thank you. So if DA is essentially the same as ODP but year round training, with same coaches, but more touches, and both ODP and DA have the same mission of identifying the top 10% that could feed up to the national system, then why would any of the top 10% of the girls want to tryout for ODP? Why wouldn't they just tryout for DA?

Are the restrictions in DA too narrow that would cause the need for an ODP program to attract the top 10% that don't play DA that might play ECNL, NPL, LH, or PPL?

If ODP is not worth it as you indicate, why would I want to pay all the money for my DD to play ODP? My DD '05 is at a crossroad. She wants to play school sports but also has USWNT aspirations so DA is out. She plays ECNL and is now thinking she wants to tryout ODP so "she can get into the system" as she calls it.

I am just trying to get a sense so I can set expectations appropriately so she can gauge the time/effort required vs the payoff. ECNL is already becoming a chore vs a sport at such a young age and I fear her passion and dream to play USWNT will not be enough to keep her from burnout.

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Post by goscore! on 18/05/18, 11:49 am

I don't think ODP is essentially the same as DA, not by a long shot. And I personally don't think girls who truly have national team aspirations should go the ODP route, but should do DA. Basically, the national team staff are saying, we will be here, (at DA, and its proven they are going to many, if not all games, showcases & even practices) so why wouldn't serious players put themselves in front of them? It's cheaper, more touches, year round...
I guess for some the draw of high school soccer is a big thing, but that's where the players must decide are they playing for social reasons or to become USNT players?
And in my opinion, burn out means lost interest. If that happens, I don't think anything you did or didn't do (as far as leagues, coaches, training) caused it, the love of the game just got trampled out by other things.

As far as middle school sports, it is my understanding that the DA girls are allowed to play other sports until high school, and even then it's ok as long as it's not soccer (and you can find the time). Rules could vary from club to club I guess.

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Re: ODP question

Post by SocDad on 18/05/18, 11:59 am

NTx-ODP should never be compared to NTx-DA or NTx-ECNL.  NTx-ODP will never be able to compete on any level with DA/ECNL.

Here in North Texas.....NTx-ODP is unnecessary and a waste of time.

Of course there is a limited few of "higher skilled" dd's that play ODP, but the rest are average players that either didn't get selected, don't play on those teams, or didn't try out for DA/ECNL/TCL/JDL etc.

If I recall correctly, no players were turned away in the '04/'05 age this year (participation Ribbon  Very Happy )
Why did they combine practices ('01-'03)('04-'05)('06-'07)? Low participation.?
Driving down to Cedar Hill (south Dallas) for practices is an undertaking and especially on a Sunday afternoons.  BTW the location is also not disclosed until after you pay (location is probably due to the lowest bidder).

Im sure, if your looking at ODP, then your DD is already busy and your family is being pulled in every direction...but there have been more cancels and reschedules which interfere with other soccer activities and family activities.
Yes $300 is very low.....but maybe if they disclose the Camp costs and practice locations/days before you sign up....people might give it more thought.  Take this money and buy a BBQ, smoke some pork ribs, drink a beer, float in your pool and enjoy your Sunday. Cool

Of course the Camps are fun......but at $900 + Travel $$$ = worth it???
More touches - then get her into true skill program such as Private lessons, Sealy SF, the Pit, something .......and that is closer to your house.

As for Goal Keepers....if you want your DD to be thrown in the net, be just a shooting target and get no coaching/direction....then sign her up. scratch

In wrapping it up:
1.  Don't be a sheeple.....Slow down a bit and truly focus on what your DD needs
2.  College Coaches only have so much time to watch Games, Leagues, and girls....ODP is fast losing out to those higher leagues.
3.  NTX has way to many higher leagues to play in and get the exposure (DA, DA2, ECNL, TCL, JDL, FDL or whatever they are brainstorming up now ) Razz
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Post by NotAllen04 on 18/05/18, 12:14 pm

BTW the location is also not disclosed until after you pay (location is probably due to the lowest bidder).

This part is the final straw that broke the back for my BB. Spending close to 3 hours to drive to a dump field in Fort Worth that only had room for one 11v11 game. Would have passed if disclosed at registration.
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Post by Medicine Man on 18/05/18, 01:09 pm

The clubs took the pool concept from ODP and killed it. They dont want their top kids playing for anyone else. It's best to go worship the Lord on Sundays and tithe your 10 percent.

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Post by TxFutbal on 18/05/18, 01:44 pm

Historically ODP has enjoyed more respect in Cali than appears to be in Tejas. Maybe it's changing in Cali too now that DA appears to be the new shiny thing.

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Post by Medicine Man on 18/05/18, 01:49 pm

The clubs run the show in NTX they took what worked to build the leagues and pools with the designed guidelines to beat any roster. Its over but the cryin.

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Post by boilerjoe_96 on 18/05/18, 02:17 pm

NotAllen04 wrote:
BTW the location is also not disclosed until after you pay (location is probably due to the lowest bidder).

This part is the final straw that broke the back for my BB.  Spending close to 3 hours to drive to a dump field in Fort Worth that only had room for one 11v11 game.  Would have passed if disclosed at registration.

06s and 07s had the UNT stadium field this year. Long drive to Denton sure, but fields were good.

And 06s and 07s didn't train at same time(maybe once), so weren't pooled due to low numbers.

I was aware of fall location before I paid, I just asked.

And if ODP isnt for you, so be it, dont do it. My dd has had fun and met new kids from many different teams, they now txt each other. I had never been to A&M, we enjoyed the friendlies. It has not been a bad experience, its touches. Touches are good. When she is older, it will probably be dropped as ECNL will get in the way, but for now its ok.
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Post by dfwsoccerdad on 22/05/18, 11:00 am

I think that it is generally accepted that DA is now superior to ODP. ODP should probably be renamed since most of the National Team comes from DA.

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