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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Big Ern on 25/05/18, 12:17 am

Sorry for my apparent confusion Blues Fan (and for not being able to figure out how to 'quote' from the mobile version of this forum) -

To be honest, I wasn't aware that there would be an '06 ECNL team at FCD next year ... In fact I was told that there wouldn't be. If so, then I'd assume that, as I mentioned earlier regarding the '05+, the ECNL team would be #2.

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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Big Ern on 25/05/18, 12:17 am

Sorry for my apparent confusion Blues Fan (and for not being able to figure out how to 'quote' from the mobile version of this forum) -

To be honest, I wasn't aware that there would be an '06 ECNL team at FCD next year ... In fact I was told that there wouldn't be. If so, then I'd assume that, as I mentioned earlier regarding the '05+, the ECNL team would be #2.

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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Blues Fan on 25/05/18, 07:00 am

I believe you are correct, the 06 ECNL team will be #2 for now.
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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by SickofStupidity on 25/05/18, 07:24 am

KeeperCommander wrote:You know LH does have a lost art going for it. You have to qualify to get in. Instead of creating a league that you are just in.

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sure you do

and you have to bring that TEAM to play in order to keep your bye, be promoted or relegated

and no one is "just in" from a club bye give up by another team

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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Zizou on 25/05/18, 07:43 am

Even back in the day of promotion and relegation by LHGCL the league was still dominated by the larger clubs. 75%+ through all divisions.

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Post by Jugglemaster on 01/06/18, 12:46 am

Ecnl2 not looking good. How many teams In that league? How many games? Will they practice with ECNL?

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Post by Medicine Man on 01/06/18, 07:42 am

Do the math how many teams X $ = ?

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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by smugrr on 06/06/18, 05:17 pm

For a newbie, could someone please chart out the various youth select"national" leagues, who sanctions, what age groups? I am lost in an alphabet soup of initials.
Also, structurally, does the Federation control all of this? Or could but choose not to? Does US Club Soccer (whatever that is) ultimately answer to the Federation? Does US Youth Soccer sanction separately from the Federation?

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 06/06/18, 10:59 pm

The Gambino family oversees the leagues and the bonannos run the local racket.
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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by OLJW on 07/06/18, 11:24 am

Zizou wrote:Even back in the day of promotion and relegation by LHGCL the league was still dominated by the larger clubs. 75%+ through all divisions.

LH is not 75% + larger clubs and NEVER has been. Look it up.




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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Holly Hunter on 07/06/18, 12:00 pm

smugrr wrote:For a newbie, could someone please chart out the various youth select"national" leagues, who sanctions, what age groups? I am lost in an alphabet soup of initials.
Also, structurally, does the Federation control all of this? Or could but choose not to? Does US Club Soccer (whatever that is) ultimately answer to the Federation? Does US Youth Soccer sanction separately from the Federation?

National League Affiliations:
USGDA - US Soccer
USYS
USCS
AYSO
https://www.ussoccer.com/about/affiliates/youth-council

USYS:
FDL (Not DA Santioned) - Frontier Development League (is more regional than national or local) - developed by several club associations to bring elite play to those that are not currently on a DA team while allowing the basic ECNL structure.
FCNL (fka SRPL) - Frontier Conference National League (is regional but feeds into the National Championship) - top LHGCL teams are invited to play in this league above and beyond just being LH.

USCS:
ECNL - used to be the top recruiting tool
ECNL2 (Not ECNL Sanctioned) - same as FDL, created, like Christmas was to offset the Pagan holidays, to compete with FDL. Was created by clubs to offer a second level of competition alongside ECNL since TCL didn't take off.
ENPL (this I think is the new boys track for ECNL, not sure on that one though but worth mentioning)
NPL - National Premier League which has a track to regionals and nationals.

Local Leagues:
Lake Highlands Girls Classic League - teams can compete in State Cup for a chance at Regionals and Nationals.
Arlington Premier Invitational League
Plano Premier League

So this is just the tip of the iceberg - these leagues are so incestuous in the way they cross pollinate while trying to grab the best players for their leagues. Would love to see this cleaned up somehow and get back to simplicity with one track to play college and beyond instead of this spiderweb of leagues.
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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by DeltaTauChi on 07/06/18, 12:48 pm

OLJW wrote:
Zizou wrote:Even back in the day of promotion and relegation by LHGCL the league was still dominated by the larger clubs. 75%+ through all divisions.

LH is not 75% + larger clubs and NEVER has been. Look it up.


I remember Gophers posting one of his ridiculously detailed, but accurate analysis of this a few years back. Did some digging and found the thread: http://www.txsoccer.net/t31477p50-composite-shapeshifter

OLJW is correct as it refers to all divisions of LHGCL. The ECNL/DA clubs were pretty steady up through 2016 at between 50-60% of all LHGCL teams.

Zizou is correct if you look at LHGCL D1 only. Prior to ECNL, LHGCL D1 was 75-80% ECNL/DA clubs. Dropped to ~2/3 ECNL/DA after ECNL started.

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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by 5050Ball on 07/06/18, 12:54 pm

And D1 will be approaching 80% DA/ECNL clubs next year.
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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Medicine Man on 07/06/18, 12:54 pm

It's hard to put your finger on things now.

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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Big Ern on 07/06/18, 06:47 pm

Holly Hunter wrote:
smugrr wrote:For a newbie, could someone please chart out the various youth select"national" leagues, who sanctions, what age groups? I am lost in an alphabet soup of initials.
Also, structurally, does the Federation control all of this? Or could but choose not to? Does US Club Soccer (whatever that is) ultimately answer to the Federation? Does US Youth Soccer sanction separately from the Federation?

National League Affiliations:
USGDA - US Soccer
USYS
USCS
AYSO
https://www.ussoccer.com/about/affiliates/youth-council

USYS:
FDL (Not DA Santioned) - Frontier Development League (is more regional than national or local) - developed by several club associations to bring elite play to those that are not currently on a DA team while allowing the basic ECNL structure.
FCNL (fka SRPL) - Frontier Conference National League (is regional but feeds into the National Championship) - top LHGCL teams are invited to play in this league above and beyond just being LH.

USCS:
ECNL - used to be the top recruiting tool
ECNL2 (Not ECNL Sanctioned) - same as FDL, created, like Christmas was to offset the Pagan holidays, to compete with FDL.  Was created by clubs to offer a second level of competition alongside ECNL since TCL didn't take off.
ENPL (this I think is the new boys track for ECNL, not sure on that one though but worth mentioning)
NPL - National Premier League which has a track to regionals and nationals.

Local Leagues:
Lake Highlands Girls Classic League - teams can compete in State Cup for a chance at Regionals and Nationals.
Arlington Premier Invitational League
Plano Premier League

So this is just the tip of the iceberg - these leagues are so incestuous in the way they cross pollinate while trying to grab the best players for their leagues.  Would love to see this cleaned up somehow and get back to simplicity with one track to play college and beyond instead of this spiderweb of leagues.

Tremendous analysis HHunter and agreed for the most part --  

One thing to add to FDL ... Because it is USYS governed those teams are also eligible for State Cup, and the winner of the league has an automatic bid to USYS Regionals next year.

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Re: Is ECNL 2 just TCL re-branded?

Post by Foxysoccermom on 07/06/18, 09:05 pm

Big Ern wrote:
Holly Hunter wrote:
smugrr wrote:For a newbie, could someone please chart out the various youth select"national" leagues, who sanctions, what age groups? I am lost in an alphabet soup of initials.
Also, structurally, does the Federation control all of this? Or could but choose not to? Does US Club Soccer (whatever that is) ultimately answer to the Federation? Does US Youth Soccer sanction separately from the Federation?

National League Affiliations:
USGDA - US Soccer
USYS
USCS
AYSO
https://www.ussoccer.com/about/affiliates/youth-council

USYS:
FDL (Not DA Santioned) - Frontier Development League (is more regional than national or local) - developed by several club associations to bring elite play to those that are not currently on a DA team while allowing the basic ECNL structure.
FCNL (fka SRPL) - Frontier Conference National League (is regional but feeds into the National Championship) - top LHGCL teams are invited to play in this league above and beyond just being LH.

USCS:
ECNL - used to be the top recruiting tool
ECNL2 (Not ECNL Sanctioned) - same as FDL, created, like Christmas was to offset the Pagan holidays, to compete with FDL.  Was created by clubs to offer a second level of competition alongside ECNL since TCL didn't take off.
ENPL (this I think is the new boys track for ECNL, not sure on that one though but worth mentioning)
NPL - National Premier League which has a track to regionals and nationals.

Local Leagues:
Lake Highlands Girls Classic League - teams can compete in State Cup for a chance at Regionals and Nationals.
Arlington Premier Invitational League
Plano Premier League

So this is just the tip of the iceberg - these leagues are so incestuous in the way they cross pollinate while trying to grab the best players for their leagues.  Would love to see this cleaned up somehow and get back to simplicity with one track to play college and beyond instead of this spiderweb of leagues.

Tremendous analysis HHunter and agreed for the most part --  

One thing to add to FDL ... Because it is USYS governed those teams are also eligible for State Cup, and the winner of the league has an automatic bid to USYS Regionals next year.




BigE approved! cheers
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