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Re: Question about FDL

Post by rexie on 29/05/18, 01:41 pm

We play for FCD and she has been on a LH team for the past few years. We are happy with her current coach and team but we heard through the grapevine about the FDL team starting up so she was interested. We are familiar with the FDL coach and have only heard good things.

I wasn't sure if FDL was replacing something or just a new league. I didn't know if it was considered a "step up" from LH or equal. We have been happy with LH and team but curious about what else is out there

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by DeltaTauChi on 29/05/18, 01:58 pm

rexie wrote:We play for FCD and she has been on a LH team for the past few years. We are happy with her current coach and team but we heard through the grapevine about the FDL team starting up so she was interested. We are familiar with the FDL coach and have only heard good things.

I wasn't sure if FDL was replacing something or just a new league. I didn't know if it was considered a "step up" from LH or equal. We have been happy with LH and team but curious about what else is out there

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by TxFutbal on 29/05/18, 02:09 pm

FDL is the USYS/USSF/blah blah version of TCL that was setup by US Club. TCL (Texas Champions League) is being replaced by the "new and improved" ECNL 2 thingy to compete with FDL.. when it's all said and done, you will see the same players in D1/D2 play in ECNL 2 / FDL. Too many leagues and not enough DDs which means girls will be passed around like a bowl of nacho cheese doritos at a superbowl party.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by rexie on 29/05/18, 02:25 pm

DeltaTauChi - I responded back.

TXFutbal - I chuckled out loud at your "nacho cheese doritos" comment. Smile

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SD69 on 29/05/18, 02:52 pm

Don't know anything about FDL, but have some experience with moving from LH to TCL. My DD played for a team in D1 three years ago. They worked the tail off to secure a 6th spot in the league playing against heavy hitters as this was before ECNL. The next year the coach moved the team from LH to TCL which was a first year league. We liked the team and decided to move with them to the new league and the club gave our D1 bye to a team that was about to be relegated out of D3.
The new league was almost a waste of time and money. Only 9 games were scheduled, of which we only played 7. Every game was played up in Fairview, and to supplement the teams lack of games, the coach scheduled several scrimmages with other team, which everyone know is nothing like the real thing. Other teams played both LH and TCL, but ours didn't, and it felt like it was a wasted year.
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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Zizou on 29/05/18, 03:05 pm

I’m guessing you want to be on a team that is participating in both LH and TCL or LH and FDL to be able to do both if one does not live up to a standard.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SD69 on 29/05/18, 03:43 pm

or have more than 9 scheduled games
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Re: Question about FDL

Post by ColtMcVince on 29/05/18, 03:45 pm

Aren’t there only 5 or 6 teams signed up for the thing? So maybe you get to play each team twice in the same season.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by CBTeamworks on 29/05/18, 11:47 pm

SD69 wrote:Don't know anything about FDL, but have some experience with moving from LH to TCL. My DD played for a team in D1 three years ago. They worked the tail off to secure a 6th spot in the league playing against heavy hitters as this was before ECNL. The next year the coach moved the team from LH to TCL which was a first year league. We liked the team and decided to move with them to the new league and the club gave our D1 bye to a team that was about to be relegated out of D3.
The new league was almost a waste of time and money. Only 9 games were scheduled, of which we only played 7. Every game was played up in Fairview, and to supplement the teams lack of games, the coach scheduled several scrimmages with other team, which everyone know is nothing like the real thing. Other teams played both LH and TCL, but ours didn't, and it felt like it was a wasted year.
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Maybe I'm missing the point but didn't your coach supplement the league play with tournaments?
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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Udontseeme on 30/05/18, 07:24 am

That is missing the point.
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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SickofStupidity on 30/05/18, 07:55 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Mornin' Fellas!

SoSy -- This ^ is cute ... Always thinking I'm 'firing out of my arse'.  The info I posted about FDL came both directly from an FDL coach and from the 13 page FDL informational document put out by USYS, but keep on keepin' on Sir!

DTX -- I didn't expect the "watercooler" reference from you (should leave that one to the bottom feeders) ... Regardless, yes, the national showcases are pricey, but can't say I agree with you regarding them being a "huge waste".  Having been at Silverlakes, DIGC and FCD Showcase in the past year, I can attest to the fact that the exposure isn't even close.  Witnessed 20+ coaches watching kids at a single DPL match in Norco, while I saw the coaches at the other two events combine for a grand total of single digits ... total (and I don't mean watching a match ... I mean attending the events at all).  Given that the FDL (Frontier) kids will be matched up DPL kids (Southwest), I'd bet there will be plenty of exposure next time as well.  But based on your contention, that won't matter because those kids wouldn't accept an offer to a Cal St school anyway ... just too far from home, right?

Foxydaddy -- Yes.  State Cup has gone downhill, but it's been that way from some time at U13+ hasn't it?  Just not much to do with guest players or corruption ... but more due to the fact that most of the top talent has been playing in the ECNL.  And talk about fallacy ... DA players, propaganda -- c'mon now Sir Laughing ...
How 'bout you ask one of the parents from the FCD 04 Blue team how many guest players they used this year.  That, or you could ask me how many were used when my kid won it ... might throw a bit of a wrench into your 'corruption' theory.

Juggler jocolor  -- I appreciate that you are under the impression that I feel "strongly" about the FDL.  However, I don't like the circus shenanigans going on between the ECNL and GDA any more than you all do ... I think all of these new leagues are ridiculous.  What would be more accurate to say is that I feel strongly about squelching all of the malarkey that is written on here from people like yourself regarding these leagues, events, etc. that you guys have zero knowledge of and don't like, so come on here to muck it and mislead the innocents like ole' Rexie here.

She said it herself in the opening post of this thread ... "my daughter is interested but I have received some negative feedback about it from parents and coaches. I heard that it may not last more than a year"

... no bueno guys.

odd.  I didn't know USYS determined the number of total showcases each FDL team would be allowed to attend.  Could you point out to us where USYS says "FDL kids can plan on ~3 Showcases per year -- one out of state at Silverlakes or Vegas"?

and last time I checked, there are multiple FDL coaches - some of which may be planning more than 3 showcases with one out of state

(but I wouldn't expect anything less of you than to take one coach's approach and use that as a generalization for all FDL teams)

Hoping BigEgo had a chance to talk to more than one FDL coach last night.  I guess he is still looking for an answer to my question above.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Big Ern on 30/05/18, 08:29 am

You may get a chuckle outta this SoSy --

It doesn't often happen, but last night I did actually speak with more than one coach of FDL teams next year Very Happy.  However, since the answer to your question is literally written in the section you so eloquently bolded in the first place, I must've subconsciously stored this particular one away as "already answered" ... sorry 'bout that Bubba.

If ya still need help --

That part about the one out of state showcase next year came from this part of ... "The info I posted about FDL came both directly from an FDL coach and from the 13 page FDL informational document put out by USYS"

Of course the USYS doesn't dictate the number of Showcases an FDL team will attend ... Why would they?  Should be a club/coach/team decision shouldn't it?  In the document there are three recommended national showcases.  In the case I've referenced in this thread, coach mentioned that this team will attend a national showcase and two in state.  And I'd be surprised if any of the other FDL teams will do otherwise.  Sooo ...

Got any more brain busters for me?  Maybe ya wanna waste more of your time needlessly picking away at minutiae in attempt to paint me as wrong again?  Seems like it's almost getting to the point of becoming a hobby for ya there Sir.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SickofStupidity on 30/05/18, 08:39 am

Big Ern wrote:You may get a chuckle outta this SoSy --

It doesn't often happen, but last night I did actually speak with more than one coach of FDL teams next year Very Happy.  However, since the answer to your question is literally written in the section you so eloquently bolded in the first place, I must've subconsciously stored this particular one away as "already answered" ... sorry 'bout that Bubba.

If ya still need help --

That part about the one out of state showcase next year came from this part of ... "The info I posted about FDL came both directly from an FDL coach and from the 13 page FDL informational document put out by USYS"

Of course the USYS doesn't dictate the number of Showcases an FDL team will attend ... Why would they?  Should be a club/coach/team decision shouldn't it?  In the document there are three recommended national showcases.  In the case I've referenced in this thread, coach mentioned that this team will attend a national showcase and two in state.  And I'd be surprised if any of the other FDL teams will do otherwise.  Sooo ...

Got any more brain busters for me?  Maybe ya wanna waste more of your time needlessly picking away at minutiae in attempt to paint me as wrong again?  Seems like it's almost getting to the point of becoming a hobby for ya there Sir.

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So your statement "The FDL kids can plan on ~3 Showcases per year -- one out of state at Silverlakes or Vegas (significant cost but fantastic exposure events) and 2 in state (DIGC, FCD Showcase)" is based on speaking to a grand total of . . . one FDL coach. Rolling Eyes

Talk about a broad generalization.

Why am I not surprised.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by CBTeamworks on 30/05/18, 08:48 am

Udontseeme wrote:That is missing the point.
If the goal is developing soccer players then what difference does it make if it's in a league or during a tournament?
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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Big Ern on 30/05/18, 08:56 am

So you're opting for the latter then ... OK --

Just 6 clubs in total so not that broad is it there SoSy?  

I'll say it again -- I'd be surprised if the others do otherwise.  After putting 2 and 2 together, I can't see FDL teams attending more showcases than their GDA teams do.

Just an application of a lil' common sense ... easy peasy.

I think that Rexie is all set now.  May be time to move on ... Wouldn't you agree?  

Maybe a reply to the post from Solar looking to fill their 02/03 DA GK spots would be more suitable -- Talk about a rather significant surprise.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SD69 on 30/05/18, 08:58 am

Not as many as other teams that do play in leagues that provide more than single digit games for the year, but FYI, they played in 3 tournaments and a local showcase (3 friendlies).
But this thread isn't about the tournaments that coaches use to supplement league play, which they should be doing anyway. Its about entering an unknown league versus staying in a league that they already know. Thought I'd give my 2 cents on a similar situation, take it or leave it.
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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SickofStupidity on 30/05/18, 09:10 am

Nice diversion - but you didn't talk to 1 club out of 6 BigEgo.

You spoke to 1 FDL coach - and based your generalization on that one conversation (well, that, and your assumptions).

As I noted - don't rely on BigEgo's assumptions and generalizations - speak directly to the coach as some have a wide variety of showcases and number they plan on attending.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Big Ern on 30/05/18, 09:15 am

Dude ... speaking of "assumptions" ... If ya only knew.  

See ya out there SoSy!

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by TatonkaBurger on 30/05/18, 09:28 am

Big Ern wrote:
Maybe a reply to the post from Solar looking to fill their 02/03 DA GK spots would be more suitable -- Talk about a rather significant surprise.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SickofStupidity on 30/05/18, 09:29 am

Big Ern wrote:Dude ... speaking of "assumptions" ... If ya only knew.  

See ya out there SoSy!


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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Medicine Man on 30/05/18, 10:35 am

If you do the math it will clear up alot ot the questions.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Jugglemaster on 31/05/18, 11:28 pm

Are dues half since FDL has half of league games?

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Wannabe on 02/07/18, 08:52 pm

Can anyone share a link with the outsiders that gives the rules of FDL or a website with FDL information as a league? Or is this a “Fight Club” situation?

My question is how are players being handled with FDL & LHGCL regarding rosters? Previously a lot of players dual rostered between leagues for ECNL or TCL and LHGCL. If both FDL & LHGCL are USYSA then a kid can only be on 1 roster. So then CPP comes into play. Does FDL allow CPP from a LHGCL team or will there be any limitations for LHGCL to CPP from an FDL team? Is it considered ‘division down’ thus limited to 1 per game? CPP states players can only be on 1 roster per day. Previously kids would play ECNL or TCL then LHGCL on the same day.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by SoccerSuckers on 03/07/18, 06:18 pm

At this point I don't think anyone is too interested on who's playing where at this point. Find a team that you can get minutes to work on your game I've lost count on all the acronyms.

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Re: Question about FDL

Post by 5050Ball on 03/07/18, 06:21 pm

It's all just practice anyway.
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Re: Question about FDL

Post by Big Ern on 03/07/18, 08:35 pm

5050Ball wrote:It's all just practice anyway.


Right effing on Sir ... You tell em fittyfitty!

At this point, ole suckers still seems a skosh off when it comes to his thoughts on the kids 'working on their game' ... at least at this point.

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