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FBR09 Rankings June 20th, 2018
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FBR09 Rankings June 20th, 2018
FBR09 will also include any 09 teams playing against each other in the 08 division. As long as the teams that are playing up are not using 08 players when playing against each other 09 teams.
Also, ranking points are derived from who you play and their tier(not your own tier) and, how well the teams you play do. FBR is presented as W/L/T not W/T/L. This FBR is the sole representation of FBR09, any and all complaints(and compliments) should be directed to FBR09. These rankings use the same software and criteria as with all prior year FBRs.
Feel free to PM or email if you think there is an error with your team or if you have any questions. GotSoccer is generally used to determine team name/coach/club, please message me of any recent changes.
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Question... ESC is out of state and we include them in the games that impact the rankings but we don’t use Colorado Rush Dibiassi in the rankings and they have played 3 games against ‘09 NTX teams as well. Is there a difference between the two in why or why not they are included in the scoring. Just trying to understand the rules.
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ProphAC wrote:Thanks FBR for another update. Really appreciate it!
Question... ESC is out of state and we include them in the games that impact the rankings but we don’t use Colorado Rush Dibiassi in the rankings and they have played 3 games against ‘09 NTX teams as well. Is there a difference between the two in why or why not they are included in the scoring. Just trying to understand the rules.
Thanks again for your efforts!
AS someone noted somewhere... OK teams that visit often, get included as they have a number of common opponents. They arent published in ranking, but yes the data is there. A team from CO is not going to be included because there isn't enough commonality to make it mean anything.
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You can’t say that this is due to an out of state tournament b/c we are counting games between Texas teams in Denver. Also, you can’t say that you don’t know what tier to put CO Rush in b/c it’s clear they are a tier 1 team based upon results.
I just thought it was an interesting omission b/c where do you draw the line and decide one team will be included but not another if there isn’t a “rule” clarifying the decision. I don’t see the difference in ESC vs CO Rush... especially when we included ESC back in January FBR records when they only had 4 games to show from the December “group of death” tournament.
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ProphAC wrote:We included ESC in the records in the past when they had only played 4 NTX games with no common opponents back in December. They have 6 games right now so that makes sense to include them still even though they have no other games with common opponents. But I thought the rule was 3 NTX games against ‘09 competition and it counts. 21 of the teams on the rankings have played only 4 or 3 games against NTX competition.
You can’t say that this is due to an out of state tournament b/c we are counting games between Texas teams in Denver. Also, you can’t say that you don’t know what tier to put CO Rush in b/c it’s clear they are a tier 1 team based upon results.
I just thought it was an interesting omission b/c where do you draw the line and decide one team will be included but not another if there isn’t a “rule” clarifying the decision. I don’t see the difference in ESC vs CO Rush... especially when we included ESC back in January FBR records when they only had 4 games to show from the December “group of death” tournament.
Not sure you get what Im saying. ESC played Texans, FCD, Solar Angelone(twice) and Colvin in LCC in May. So they are in the data. They only played Rush at Supercopa. Rush is also in the data. So the game would count.
You say no common opponents... they are the common the opponent for Solar, Solar, Texans, and FCD... now Rush.
A game against Slammers or heat, well, slammers and heat arent ever coming here, so not enough games to include. ESC comes here to play on regular basis. FBR09 is handling correctly. Dont add new teams in for a far off out of state tourney, but if any teams in the data play each other, then include. This is similiar to prior years. Especially the 07s, which I trained FBR09 so would make sense.
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boilerjoe_96 wrote:ProphAC wrote:We included ESC in the records in the past when they had only played 4 NTX games with no common opponents back in December. They have 6 games right now so that makes sense to include them still even though they have no other games with common opponents. But I thought the rule was 3 NTX games against ‘09 competition and it counts. 21 of the teams on the rankings have played only 4 or 3 games against NTX competition.
You can’t say that this is due to an out of state tournament b/c we are counting games between Texas teams in Denver. Also, you can’t say that you don’t know what tier to put CO Rush in b/c it’s clear they are a tier 1 team based upon results.
I just thought it was an interesting omission b/c where do you draw the line and decide one team will be included but not another if there isn’t a “rule” clarifying the decision. I don’t see the difference in ESC vs CO Rush... especially when we included ESC back in January FBR records when they only had 4 games to show from the December “group of death” tournament.
Not sure you get what Im saying. ESC played Texans, FCD, Solar Angelone(twice) and Colvin in LCC in May. So they are in the data. They only played Rush at Supercopa. Rush is also in the data. So the game would count.
You say no common opponents... they are the common the opponent for Solar, Solar, Texans, and FCD... now Rush.
A game against Slammers or heat, well, slammers and heat arent ever coming here, so not enough games to include. ESC comes here to play on regular basis. FBR09 is handling correctly. Dont add new teams in for a far off out of state tourney, but if any teams in the data play each other, then include. This is similiar to prior years. Especially the 07s, which I trained FBR09 so would make sense.
Its pretty simple... Line drawn.
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Thanks for the input.
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When I made my comment about “where do you draw the line” nobody had ever said the rule was that teams that are close enough to visit NTX every so often and play 3 games against NTX teams get in the data but teams that are far away that play 3 NTX teams in far away tournaments don’t get included. So the simple rule that draws the line was just mentioned thanks to FBR07. Great! Now we know.
Moving on.
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BodhiDalton wrote:It is interesting to see how several teams can work their way in to the top 10 without playing, much less, beating other top 10 teams. Top 5 are solid for sure but lots of movement 6-15 every time the rankings update.
It at times makes no sense but if you dig deep you will probably find that those phantom movers beat some half way decent team along the way. Perhaps the team they beat had a bad game or maybe they had help. But at some point that game will fall off and they will free fall unless they play top teams. Who knows maybe they belong and maybe they don't and maybe they are dodging the top teams but eventually it all gets worked out. FBR is pretty darn accurate and will be VERY close to the qualifying seeding when our 09s go select. U want to be closer to #1 because being on the other end makes qualifying miserable as you get to play #1.. Qualifying for the top 5 is normally uneventful aka boring.
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