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Post by FBR08G on 16/07/18, 04:29 pm

Current Rankings ONLY include game results from 3/4/2018 through Present Date. The goal moving forward is to have a minimum of 4 to 6 months of data including both league play and tournaments. Games recorded as W-L-T. Only full sided outdoor games played in 08 divisions will count for rankings. Results from playing in development leagues are not be considered. ALL OTHER TEAMS WILL BE INCLUDED.

FBR08G is publishing these rankings and maintaining the data. The criteria and formulas are all 100% the same as BWG's rankings in prior age groups. Games from development leagues will not be included in the rankings. Games won in extra time will be recorded as a win and not a tie.

The goal of this FBR is to provide a data driven unbiased look at the teams as they relate to each other. Please keep in mind that this is a body of work that is published. Because team A beat team B last week does not automatically mean team A is ranked higher than team B. New games carry the same weight as old games.

If your team is not included please pm me and let me know where they are playing. Minimum of 3 games against 08 teams to be included in the rankings. If your win/loss record does not look correct please refer to your got soccer account. If scores are missing you can pm or email them to me. These may not be updated yet. Timely reporting of games scores to your respective leagues will provide the best data possible. If you notice a score entered incorrectly by the league please pm me. I rely on the leagues to report the games scores correctly.

If your team has changed clubs or coaches please pm me the updates so I can reflect this accurately.


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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by Disposessed on 16/07/18, 05:17 pm

Are the Dallas Texan West Diaz circle jerkers happy now? You got your 19 slot jump. Nice algorithm you got there FBR.

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by kimmie030507 on 16/07/18, 06:16 pm

Disposessed wrote:Are the Dallas Texan West Diaz circle jerkers happy now?  You got your 19 slot jump.  Nice algorithm you got there FBR.

Bahaha!

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by TxFutbal on 16/07/18, 10:03 pm

Question is did they get the tut results on their own merit or did they borrow players? QT has a great history of thinning the herd.. The roster they turn in for QT is their roster.. No guest play allowed and no adding/deleting players after QT to start the season. How many teams pooled players from sister teams this past weekend? Some of the results were out of the norm based on their ranking.

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Post by kimmie030507 on 16/07/18, 11:14 pm

TxFutbal wrote:Question is did they get the tut results on their own merit or did they borrow players?  QT has a great history of thinning the herd..  The roster they turn in for QT is their roster.. No guest play allowed and no adding/deleting players after QT to start the season.  How many teams pooled players from sister teams this past weekend?  Some of the results were out of the norm based on their ranking.

As far as I know, you cannot use guest players for king tut since it helps seed for the qualifying tournament.

My DD went through QT last year and we were told NO Guest players but I'd be lying if i would tell you they didn't change the rules this year.

I think all teams that played this weekend were legit rosters that will play in QT.

Can someone speculate?

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by TxFutbal on 17/07/18, 12:08 am

From Tut Rules:

11U-19Uage groups allowed up to 5 guest players, club pass players, or a combination. A player may play for only one team in the tournament and must be listed on the approved roster. If a player plays in a game without proper registration, the team will automatically forfeit that game and may face further penalties as determined by the Tournament Director, subject to sanctions under North Texas Soccer regulations.

My guess is there was some CPP'ing going on with some of the teams. I promise you the results some teams had this past weekend at Tut will not be the same results you see 1st weekend at QT..Happens every year.

Plus I doubt LH goes purely off the FBR or the results from Tut. I don't know what their formula is, but they have been doing this a long time and they seem to be consistent in their approach. They always have board members camped out watching the games and there are even board members who ref the games.

Question is were they watching the ones that seemingly had big jumps in ranking and do they have access to Tut rosters to compare to rosters turned into QT? I don't know the answers to these questions but suspect they were paying attention to the results and focusing on the games that matter.

All I know is when my DDs went thru QT in years past, it was the equivalent of h3ll week. Youngest DD qualified 1st weekend but it was a dog fight. Tied on wins and got thru on goal differential. The oldest DD had to go thru the process the second weekend cuz her team thought they were better than they were and it went down to the very last minute on whether the team got D1 or D3. Lot's of tears were cried over a 2 week period and a lot of maturing happened from week 1 to week 2.

Historically teams that used guest/CPP players in tournaments to improve their FBR struggled 1st weekend of QT. There will be some surprising results I guarantee. There are no shortcuts to QT. It's hard/physical soccer, it's hot, there is a ton of pressure on the girls and coaches to get results, and teams that relied on that 1 special player in the past that they won't have in QT cuz the player is now playing on their regular team in QT will struggle to get the results.

The teams that are over achievers lurking around 20-25 in the FBR will fight to the very last second to get that last D1 bye. These are the teams that are the most fun to watch.

My bet is there are some teams in the 15-20 range from the final FBR that won't get a D1 bye. These coaches are praying for luck in the seeding that they don't get grouped with a team they have historically struggled to play. It wouldn't even surprise me to see a couple of repeat matches from Tut in QT.

Were there any of the top 15 teams that did not play Tut have sister teams lower in the rankings that did play Tut? That is where I would start to see if those sister teams had big jumps in the FBR. This is where you will find guests/CPP on their Tut rosters...Just my opinion though....Others may disagree.

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by twotone on 17/07/18, 01:17 am

Yup.... Sting Saldivar and Dallas Rush Morris both had ringers/CPP players running up the score in the Bronze division at TUT.

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Post by WhamBulance on 17/07/18, 07:33 am

twotone wrote:Yup.... Sting Saldivar and Dallas Rush Morris both had ringers/CPP players running up the score in the Bronze division at TUT.

Judging by the division your complaining about, you must the from the  LP Heighway team.   I am sure if LP elite didnt have their own set of issues( this weekend) and with a limited subs roster, you would've gladly taken a few CPP's from that team.

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by Hat Trick Rick on 17/07/18, 09:31 am

Seems like the comment boards are starting to heat up hotter than the temperatures outside and could get more brutal than what anyone's DDs will have to endure..... Lets get this party started and do this!..... Game of Thrones has been out of season for quite some time and this promises to be an excellent replacement........On with the show!

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by DeltaTauChi on 17/07/18, 10:24 am

About time the '08 parents showed a pulse. Never seen the forum this quiet heading into QT. Was King TuT even played last weekend?

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by ProDallas on 17/07/18, 10:28 am

When do we expect the QT schedules to be posted?
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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by DeltaTauChi on 17/07/18, 10:41 am

ProDallas wrote:When do we expect the QT schedules to be posted?

Typically within the next day or two. Seeding committee usually meets the Monday night after King TuT, so seeding is probably done and just waiting on the TD to enter all of the info in GotSoccer.

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by TxFutbal on 17/07/18, 11:08 am

I also think there were a couple of teams where the coaches were drinkin a little too much of their own kool-aide on how good they thought their teams were based on prior results that they pushed their team into the wrong bracket that resulted in some mis matches. This may skew the results of some teams that while may look like they had a great weekend, it was really only the one game with a lopsided result (say an 11-0 win on a friday night) that is making the team look better than they are. Look under the covers of that team and the rest of the matches don't look so good.. Can't wait for QT to see the drama unfold. Tehre are 3 teams in particular that I think thinks they will qualify 1st weekend and I bet we see them back the 2nd weekend a little more humbled

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by NTXSoccaDad on 17/07/18, 12:37 pm

Which three teams? If you're going to make a prediction let's hear it

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by NTXSoccaDad on 17/07/18, 12:46 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:
ProDallas wrote:When do we expect the QT schedules to be posted?

Typically within the next day or two.  Seeding committee usually meets the Monday night after King TuT, so seeding is probably done and just waiting on the TD to enter all of the info in GotSoccer.

Don't they have to wait for the Puma Cup Results?  The Lightning website says those results will be used for QT seeding. Haha

https://www.texaslightning.org/2018pumacup

Guessing by the timing this won't be the case

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by Boom2017 on 17/07/18, 04:20 pm

TxFutbal wrote:......it was really only the one game with a lopsided result (say an 11-0 win on a friday night) that is making the team look better than they are...

Only team to win 11-0 Friday was Sting Saldivar. But I don't think that is one of the teams being referenced. Other lopsided winners Friday were Sting Tatu 11-1 and Dallas Rush 12-1. huh. Anyone really think there are high expectations for those teams to qualify week 1?

Overall, aside from the top few teams, I don't think we really know what the next ten are going to do. It seems like there is a glut that are all relatively even.  Only 5.6 points separate #7 team, Sting Kahn from #14 Texans Moreno.

Let the festivities begin!!

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by TxFutbal on 17/07/18, 11:44 pm

NTXSoccaDad wrote:Which three teams?  If you're going to make a prediction let's hear it

My point of the post was to not call out anyone. It was point out that no matter your rank/seed you still have to go out and play the games and fight to your best ability that your team has to earn a spot. Your rank and seed doesn't matter once you hit the field and the whistle blows to start the match.

Out of respect for all the hard working young ladies and coaches getting ready for QT, I am not going to spew negativity with an opinion on any particular team. For those who have never experienced QT, get ready because QT is a beast and arguably the best tournament in North Texas because it's pure. No guests and no CP, just a group of girls who must rely on each other to earn a spot. Character building at it's finest. The heat is grueling, the stakes are high, and it all comes down to who wants it the most. This is why there are always surprises.

Good luck to all the young ladies with the heart and drive to play soccer to the best of their abilities.

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Post by Treinador3 on 18/07/18, 08:54 am

TxFutbal wrote:
NTXSoccaDad wrote:Which three teams?  If you're going to make a prediction let's hear it

My point of the post was to not call out anyone.  It was point out that no matter your rank/seed you still have to go out and play the games and fight to your best ability that your team has to earn a spot.  Your rank and seed doesn't matter once you hit the field and the whistle blows to start the match.

Out of respect for all the hard working young ladies and coaches getting ready for QT, I am not going to spew negativity with an opinion on any particular team.  For those who have never experienced QT, get ready because QT is a beast and arguably the best tournament in North Texas because it's pure.  No guests and no CP, just a group of girls who must rely on each other to earn a spot.  Character building at it's finest. The heat is grueling, the stakes are high, and it all comes down to who wants it the most.  This is why there are always surprises.

Good luck to all the young ladies with the heart and drive to play soccer to the best of their abilities.

It's a dogfight for the middle-of-the-pack teams. For the top and bottom 10 or so, its a complete waste of time and money.

And there hasn't been anything "pure" about it since US Club arrived. U11 may come close this year (ghost players anyone?), but the other age groups certainly won't.

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Post by Zizou on 18/07/18, 09:43 am

Yes, until US Club stops the crossover of players. You are going to continue to see the dual rostering of players (ghost players) and the use of CPP to stack teams when needed. USSF has done it right bye not allowing players to drop down and clubs to stack lower division teams. US Club seems to be the money hungry system.

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by TxFutbal on 18/07/18, 10:58 am

I agree ghost players are an issue in the older age groups.. U12, U13, U14, U15 will be a freakin ghost town this year because there are not enough kids to fill DA/ECNL/ECNL2/DA2/LH rosters.

U11 not so much because ECNL2 / DA2 don't exist at U11. JDL is for the most part is a pool now (which it should be) and I don't suspect you will see many pure JDL teams for U11 like when it first started.. Could be wrong on this though. The only way we see ghost players show up in U11 s if LH allows Academy U-littles to let the phenoms play up.

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Post by Disposessed on 18/07/18, 11:56 am

And don't forget most JDL teams are in QT to secure a spot for the club then move on. Not sure how that maintains the integrity of the league. III.C.2.k.

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Re: FBR July 16th 2018

Post by TxFutbal on 18/07/18, 01:45 pm

The conversation around QT is a different conversation than how the league manages promotion/relegation/byes.

I agree that the process the league uses to manage the byes is a not in the spirit of their published rules

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Post by Soccermomsoccer on 19/07/18, 10:11 am

twotone wrote:Yup.... Sting Saldivar and Dallas Rush Morris both had ringers/CPP players running up the score in the Bronze division at TUT.


wow Sting Saldivar went from losing every game last season to beating a team 11-0 Question

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Post by soccersoccer2000 on 20/07/18, 08:46 am

lol

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