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Post by Firedup on 21/01/19, 01:22 am

Does anyone know what is happening to the 07 satellite DA teams (solar west, Texans south, Fcd west) next year? Are the clubs keeping those DA teams, moving them to ECNL, or are all those players going to be looking for new teams in classic?

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Post by Ant_Knee on 23/01/19, 10:03 am

To my knowledge none of those teams were granted u13 teams for 2019/2020 year when they made the request last year for u12.  I do believe the requests have been made by the clubs to get u13 teams but I do not think they have an answer just yet from USSDA.  Last years announcement per the link was made March 9, 2018.

No u13 team requests made last year by the 3 local clubs or at least not granted if they made the request: http://www.ussoccerda.com/20180309-news-16-new-clubs-added-for-2018-2019-season

The only example I see (could be more) of a team not getting a u13 DA team after having a u12 DA team would be RISE.  But that could have been more from a lack of structure, location, etc. but not 100% sure why RISE did not get a u13 DA.  Maybe they didn't make the request?  I don't know.

I do know that roster sizes will be reduced as the age group makes the transition to 11v11.  So you will have a mess of 08s going to classic league and several 07s that will either go back to classic or take the ECNL route that will be made available.

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Post by Coterminous on 23/01/19, 10:50 am

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Good observation about the 08's. There are quite a lot of 08's, especially on the U12B teams. Their upcoming exodus from DA into Classic will cause a trickle down affect. Some kids holding D1 spots now won't be come July, as the former DA kids will take prime roster spots.

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Post by Frisco5 on 03/03/19, 07:11 pm

Has anyone run the numbers on where the DA standings are at? I cant seem to find them on the website.

From talking to buddies of mine on all the different DA teams it seems that a consensus is starting to from on a few different things:

1. The two team rule, creating West and South teams has been complete disappointment. USSF over stepped and its really diluted the player and coaching talent at the DA level.

1. Texans are a dumpster fire, not just the DA teams, but the organization as a whole. Their teams are struggling to keep morale up and Hassan has told people that they wont be competing in DA next year. The U12 DA teams have struggled. Especially Texan's South.

2. Solar East first team has been biggest surprise, buddy of mine has told me that they have only lost twice. They've been routinely getting clean sheets and two-three goal wins. it will be interesting to see what happens at U13 level, if they can keep their team together and how strong they would be on a full size field. Solar East second team is okay, not great. They're winning half of their games, but seemed to have improved over the course of the year.

3. FCD, which is supposed to be the gold standard have not been as expected, though maybe thats the fault of expectations. They've moved kids around in different positions and up and down between age groups. Coaching change mid season was tricky as well. That being said they've gotten hammered a couple of times and lost to a few teams they maybe shouldn't have. Going forward they'll be the god standard in the local academy scene. Like they always are, though this age group doesn't seem to be their strongest at least locally right now.

4. Classic league will be competitive again next year with DA being cut down.


I have been told that the proper Houston Dynamo team hasn't lost and is legit, though my Solar buddy told me they only lost 2-1 to them.

Anyways back to my original question, has anyone run the numbers for standings?


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Post by AlittleBitofSanity on 04/03/19, 11:02 am



4.  Classic league will be competitive again next year with DA being cut down.  


Little worried about this at this age. Classic will be flooded and with only June to try out, could really hurt some kids (possibly mine in D1). There will probably be some massive rosters at the large clubs. think DA really hurt the 07 age group.

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Post by SFAFrog on 04/03/19, 12:24 pm

My boy doesn’t care what division he’s in as long as he plays and feels like he’s getting better. This is the first time he’s ever been on a team and seemingly regressed the more he’s there.

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Post by Guest on 04/03/19, 12:49 pm

What do you mean by Classic League will be “competitive again”? Was it not competitive this year? If so, why not?

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Post by AlittleBitofSanity on 04/03/19, 01:29 pm

It's not about division. It's about flooding the market with only a few weeks to decide what you want. A lot of coaches will look at resume vs loyalty, fit, etc. I'm sure a lot feel a da kid is better which is probably not always the case. My kid just wants to play too, but level of competition matters. I'm not necessarily worried about him, but it will effect a lot of kids.

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Post by GoldenBoy on 04/03/19, 05:52 pm

I’m also curious, Uncle, of what Classic League being “competitive again” means.

With most team’s rosters growing because of the 11v11 move, there should be plenty of opportunities for those DA kids who get “cut” to find a new home and probably more playing time and development in some cases.

But let’s talk about the real highlight of the summer. How are these parents gonna handle their baby boy not on the DA rosters anymore?

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Post by youthsoccertroll on 04/03/19, 10:10 pm

I know a couple of parents on the DT DA and Solar DA that if there kid is not playing DA then basically he is a failure in soccer. They are the kind of parents that will never let their kids play other sports and only see them as the future of USA soccer.

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Post by MurderWasTheCase on 05/03/19, 08:36 am

youthsoccertroll wrote:I know a couple of parents on the DT DA and Solar DA that if there kid is not playing DA then basically he is a failure in soccer.  They are the kind of parents that will never let their kids play other sports and only see them as the future of USA soccer.  

Sad! Not only for the kids, but for the future of the sport.

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Post by factsmatter on 05/03/19, 09:56 am

Most of the DA kids who won't make the U13 DA rosters, will simply go back into the Classic D1.   I think the point about Classic league being competitive again is a fair opinion, and it happens to be one that I agree with. U12 DA diluted the talent pool and it effected Classic D1 for the 2007 age group. Nobody is saying that there isn't talent in Classic D1 currently, it's just an acknowledgement that the majority of this talent is shared between only 3-4 rosters. This is why the gap between the top 3-4 teams vs the remaining groups is so much wider today than it was last season (again, in my opinion). I think with so many DA kids migrating back into classic, and the fact that there will only be 10 teams in the top division (with 11v11 roster sizes), it's a safe bet that Classic D1 will be more competitive next season.

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Post by Ant_Knee on 05/03/19, 12:15 pm

Don't forget that there will be 07 ECNL next year which will probably be used by the big clubs to send 07 DA kids who don't go the DA route plus additional kids from Classic League. You may actually see more talent leaving Classic League next year vs. going back. Currently Solar, Texans, and Liverpool participate in boys ECNL.

Also, there is talks of a future league that is PRE-DA only. Who knows if it will actually come to fruition but those of you that have been around, not that long ago, there was the TEPAL league. Texas Pre Academy League which was associated with NPL and US Club Soccer. It was used for the off years of DA back when DA was only u14, u16, and u18.

Also, DA will go back to the u14, u16, and u18 format. We know u12 DA is done after this year and u13 DA will be done after next year.

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Post by schmuck on 06/03/19, 12:42 pm

Frisco5 wrote:Has anyone run the numbers on where the DA standings are at?  I cant seem to find them on the website.

From talking to buddies of mine on all the different DA teams it seems that a consensus is starting to from on a few different things:

1.  The two team rule, creating West and South teams has been complete disappointment.  USSF over stepped and its really diluted the player and coaching talent at the DA level.

1.  Texans are a dumpster fire, not just the DA teams, but the organization as a whole.  Their teams are struggling to keep morale up and Hassan has told people that they wont be competing in DA next year.  The U12 DA teams have struggled.  Especially Texan's South.

2.  Solar East first team has been biggest surprise, buddy of mine has told me that they have only lost twice.  They've been routinely getting clean sheets and two-three goal wins.  it will be interesting to see what happens at U13 level, if they can keep their team together and how strong they would be on a full size field.  Solar East second team is okay, not great.  They're winning half of their games, but seemed to have improved over the course of the year.

3.  FCD, which is supposed to be the gold standard have not been as expected, though maybe thats the fault of expectations.  They've moved kids around in different positions and up and down between age groups.  Coaching change mid season was tricky as well.  That being said they've gotten hammered a couple of times and lost to a few teams they maybe shouldn't have.  Going forward they'll be the god standard in the local academy scene.  Like they always are, though this age group doesn't seem to be their strongest  at least locally right now.

4.  Classic league will be competitive again next year with DA being cut down.  


I have been told that the proper Houston Dynamo team hasn't lost and is legit, though my Solar buddy told me they only lost 2-1 to them.

Anyways back to my original question, has anyone run the numbers for standings?


That's an interesting statement that I bolded above. I know several parents from that team and they have only lost 2 games and 1 tie. They tied Solar 1-1 in their first game. So, seems like both clubs have 2 losses and 1 tie. You state one is in the dumpster and one is "biggest surprise". Interesting point of view.

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Post by Ant_Knee on 06/03/19, 03:38 pm

I was looking at the DA schedules and what is baffling is that the Texans u12 DA teams (including the south) have only played 5 games this entire season. So then I looked at Solar who has played 8 and Solar West who have played 7. FC Dallas have played 7 and FC Dallas South have played 8. My numbers may not be 100% correct but very close. And if these teams are not playing in that many tournaments...or any at all to this point in the season, that is a big difference from last year for many of these kids. And for DA to think these kids can't handle it has been my biggest concern/disagreement with DA's thought process to development for this age group. I won't go into my rant again here as I have expressed it in the past in other posts.

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Post by schmuck on 06/03/19, 03:55 pm

Ant_Knee wrote:I was looking at the DA schedules and what is baffling is that the Texans u12 DA teams (including the south) have only played 5 games this entire season.  So then I looked at Solar who has played 8 and Solar West who have played 7.  FC Dallas have played 7 and FC Dallas South have played 8.  My numbers may not be 100% correct but very close.  And if these teams are not playing in that many tournaments...or any at all to this point in the season, that is a big difference from last year for many of these kids.  And for DA to think these kids can't handle it has been my biggest concern/disagreement with DA's thought process to development for this age group.  I won't go into my rant again here as I have expressed it in the past in other posts.

Not sure what you mean by "entire season". Doesn't the DA season last from Sept to June? If so, according to their schedules they've played a lot more than 5 and 8,7,7 respectively. If you are referring to since the calendar turned to 2019, then your numbers seem correct to me. However, it appears that Classic league has only played 7 or 8 games in 2019 as well so there isn't much difference in the number of games. The weather is the weather. I'm pretty sure all 3 clubs played in tournament over the winter break.

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Post by factsmatter on 06/03/19, 04:57 pm

Ant_Knee wrote:I was looking at the DA schedules and what is baffling is that the Texans u12 DA teams (including the south) have only played 5 games this entire season.  So then I looked at Solar who has played 8 and Solar West who have played 7.  FC Dallas have played 7 and FC Dallas South have played 8.  My numbers may not be 100% correct but very close.  And if these teams are not playing in that many tournaments...or any at all to this point in the season, that is a big difference from last year for many of these kids.  And for DA to think these kids can't handle it has been my biggest concern/disagreement with DA's thought process to development for this age group.  I won't go into my rant again here as I have expressed it in the past in other posts.

Total DA League Games Played :
Dynamo 11
FCD 17
Solar 16
Texans 11
FCD South 13
Solar West 15
Texans South 12
Lonestar  11
San Antonio FC 16
Rise SC 17
Texans SC Houston  13
Tigres  16
Lonestar South 11
Dynamo West 14
Dynamo Youth 13


Just wanted to add the accurate numbers so that we could all get a better perspective. Laughing

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Post by GoldenBoy on 06/03/19, 05:12 pm

Perhaps Frisco5 was talking more about Texans South and their performance of 3-2-7.


The Texans are 7-2-2.

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Post by factsmatter on 06/03/19, 05:36 pm

GoldenBoy wrote:Perhaps Frisco5 was talking more about Texans South and their performance of 3-2-7.


The Texans are 7-2-2.


I have the Texans South at 1-9-2 (a single 3-2 win vs Tigres) to date.

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Post by GoldenBoy on 06/03/19, 05:41 pm

I saw a 5-3 win against Solar West on 9/8/2018. Not good either way. But the development has been amazing.....

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Post by factsmatter on 06/03/19, 05:56 pm

GoldenBoy wrote:I saw a 5-3 win against Solar West on 9/8/2018. Not good either way. But the development has been amazing.....

You are correct, however I'm referring exclusively to the Top team's performance. The 09/08/18 game that's listed was actually played by the second teams. Top teams didn't play on that date due to weather cancellation, so they haven't actually played yet (which explains why Texans South's games played count is so much lower).  You can PM for data on any of the U12 teams and I'll share what I have and how I've obtained it if interested.

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Post by Ant_Knee on 06/03/19, 06:13 pm

Sorry my bad. I meant entire season to this point and I was only referencing the first teams and not taking into consideration the second DA teams that are playing as counting as other game played. I am not counting that one team played 2 games in one day because that would be the 1st team and the 2nd team playing and therefore would not count towards the amount of games that one BB would have played the entire season...up to this point.

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Post by schmuck on 07/03/19, 08:41 am

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GoldenBoy wrote:Perhaps Frisco5 was talking more about Texans South and their performance of 3-2-7.


The Texans are 7-2-2.


I have the Texans South at 1-9-2 (a single 3-2 win vs Tigres) to date.

You guys realize you can't really go by what's posted on the scores as they aren't all correct. I know several scores by several teams are not correct. For example, one has FCD with a 0-0 tie. That is not correct. One has Texans with a 0-0 tie, that is not correct. Those are two that I know for sure in talking directly with parents from both teams. I've heard there were others as well. Which makes sense because scores are not officially reported, so what's the importance to get them right? so that some parents on a forum can analyze them? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

The only way to get true records is by asking parents on each team. As posted previously, I have full confidence in my source on the Texans that they have only lost 2 games and 1 tie. I'm also confident in my source at FCD that the 0-0 tie listed is not accurate. They also mix up the A and B team scores from time to time. If you are using these hidden scores to make your assessments you are doing yourself a disservice. You are better off going to a game or two and just watching. You may not care enough to do that, but seems like every cares enough to download the data and put time in analyzing it. I think I'll just go watch a game or two this weekend and form my own opinion Very Happy

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Post by factsmatter on 07/03/19, 09:19 am

schmuck wrote:
factsmatter wrote:
GoldenBoy wrote:Perhaps Frisco5 was talking more about Texans South and their performance of 3-2-7.


The Texans are 7-2-2.


I have the Texans South at 1-9-2 (a single 3-2 win vs Tigres) to date.

You guys realize you can't really go by what's posted on the scores as they aren't all correct.  I know several scores by several teams are not correct.   For example, one has FCD with a 0-0 tie.  That is not correct.   One has Texans with a 0-0 tie, that is not correct.  Those are two that I know for sure in talking directly with parents from both teams.  I've heard there were others as well.  Which makes sense because scores are not officially reported, so what's the importance to get them right?   so that some parents on a forum can analyze them?  Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

The only way to get true records is by asking parents on each team.   As posted previously, I have full confidence in my source on the Texans that they have only lost 2 games and 1 tie.  I'm also confident in my source at FCD that the 0-0 tie listed is not accurate.  They also mix up the A and B team scores from time to time.  If you are using these hidden scores to make your assessments you are doing yourself a disservice.   You are better off going to a game or two and just watching.  You may not care enough to do that, but seems like every cares enough to download the data and put time in analyzing it.  I think I'll just go watch a game or two this weekend and form my own opinion Very Happy

Great points. I've taken all of those things into consideration, and I can say with confidence that I have the accurate information. I have the Texans record at 8-2-1.... I was simply correcting Goldenboy's claim about Texans South. I know several parents throughout all of the clubs with kids playing on the Top teams, I use that network to source and vet the results listed. I'm willing to share via PM if you're interested. Doesn't sound like you are, and I agree that it's better to watch the games.

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Post by schmuck on 07/03/19, 09:30 am

factsmatter wrote:
Great points. I've taken all of those things into consideration, and I can say with confidence that I have the accurate information. I have the Texans record at 8-2-1.... I was simply correcting Goldenboy's claim about Texans South. I know several parents throughout all of the clubs with kids playing on the Top teams, I use that network to source and vet the results listed. I'm willing to share via PM if you're interested. Doesn't sound like you are, and I agree that it's better to watch the games.

No, as your screen names says, seems like you have the facts that matter. I don't really care enough about the teams' records. It doesn't really tell me much. For example, I heard one of the Texans losses was due to poor goal keeping. They dominated the game, but lost on 3 goalie snafus. I heard that FCD dominated Solar West last weekend, but ended up losing on a free kick towards the end. lots of stories like these that don't show up in the score lines. I'm more interested in how a team plays versus the score line. I'd rather see a team play great soccer and lose than see them play sloppy soccer and win. Generally great soccer will win, but at this age it doesn't always work out that way. I'll have to check the schedules and see who's in town this weekend and maybe go watch a game or two and see how they play.

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