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Post by New2competitive on 26/06/19, 01:23 pm

So someone had mentioned on here that the D1 division would not be the same or as competitive because the top teams from the big 3 clubs were moving to pre DA. So does that mean that the teams that held those spots are just filling them in with virtually a new team?

We haven't been in the "select" world too long so we learn as we go but I just wanted to get a better understanding if that's what is going on, I would think the league would just drop the team and filling them in with the next deserving team

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Post by AllTheBluebellsAreBlue on 26/06/19, 02:09 pm

The byes stay with the clubs...

So the club can fill those spots with whatever team they want. However you do need to "prove" that the team can compete.

So a D3 PPL team won't get approval to play in Classic D1.

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Post by MurderWasTheCase on 26/06/19, 02:44 pm

I know plenty of teams that moved from plano to classic because their club had a bye.

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Post by New2competitive on 26/06/19, 03:30 pm

^^ this here to, which confused me.

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Post by schmuck on 26/06/19, 03:42 pm

MurderWasTheCase wrote:I know plenty of teams that moved from plano to classic because their club had a bye.  

yep and most failed to hold the D1 spot and are starting their way back down to where they belong

what you heard is true.  A lot of talent will leave Classic league this offseason for DA.  Look back at the 06 and 07 groups from when they were U11 to U12.  The U12 classic league winners had much more lopsided records.  For example, Solar McKinney's 07 team finished somewhere around 5th in U11.  Went 18-0-1 this past season (U12).

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Post by New2competitive on 26/06/19, 04:29 pm

Yeah, I guess that's why some of the top teams were recruiting, wondered why but it makes sense now.

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Post by smugrr on 26/06/19, 04:38 pm

Why is everything "pre" something? 7 v 7 must play 9 v 9 as "pre"; 9 v 9 plays 11 v 11. Seems like the federation could control, but clearly they do not.

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Post by CardinalRule on 27/06/19, 06:11 pm

schmuck wrote:
MurderWasTheCase wrote:I know plenty of teams that moved from plano to classic because their club had a bye.  

yep and most failed to hold the D1 spot and are starting their way back down to where they belong

what you heard is true.  A lot of talent will leave Classic league this offseason for DA.  Look back at the 06 and 07 groups from when they were U11 to U12.  The U12 classic league winners had much more lopsided records.  For example, Solar McKinney's 07 team finished somewhere around 5th in U11.  Went 18-0-1 this past season (U12).

DA is part of the explanation for the changes occurring in D1 at U12, but the qualifying tournament is also to blame for the poor structure of D1 at the U11 age. A couple of top 08 teams didn't make D1, and some of them had their way with top D1 teams in recent tournaments. With the talent shuffle this offseason and the newly promoted teams, I don't see half of the top 10 D1 teams from U11 qualifying for D1 at U13.

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Post by Zizou on 27/06/19, 09:08 pm

Yep, and all those so called select players playing in the lower divisions are paying for the top 60 girls and 60 boy players in the big clubs to play for no cost. Thank you!

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Post by BusbyBabes on 09/07/19, 11:02 am

Meanwhile "Pre DA" still train only twice a week and are rostering up to 24 kids for 6 different teams.  Next year, likely half of these teams will be gone when there is "real DA" and there are only 3 true DA programs. Add in their new D1 teams and 6 primary coaches are going to carry up to 36 kids each or 216 in total. Doesnt sound like quality to me. All of these to fill 33 starting DA spots and 72 total roster spots on true u13 DA in a year.

A joke and a marketing bit...  all about $$$...

Meanwhile going completely against the purpose of DA by having less training and more games.

"The Academy Program's philosophy is based on increased training, less total games, and more meaningful games using international rules of competition."
http://www.ussoccerda.com/overview-what-is-da

We keep researching how to fix USA soccer and each time, fall back to the $$$

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Post by New2competitive on 09/07/19, 02:25 pm

Well, I think there is a lot of reasons why we can't fix mens soccer, $ being the biggest factor. I think another one is parents who refuse to accept reality and clubs who sell them fake ideas. I know kids who were massively improved under coaches who didn't have teams in classic league, parents then decided to leave the current coach just so they can say they play classic. A few teams fell apart this season because parents wanted to fill the empty slots at D1 as if it was some major accomplishment. Nothing against the kids but how does it make sense to take d2 plano premier and d3 u90 league teams to fill spots at D1...

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Post by Maradona on 10/07/19, 08:57 am

These teams that didn't earn it will get crushed in Classic. It doesn't do the players on these teams any good, it doesn't do their opponents any good but these big clubs do pay lots of $ to the league so we know who it does good.

In U12 Classic last year Solar moved a team in to fill an empty slot that didn't win a game, scored 7 goals and allowed 147 goals. Development? How bout taking the next few teams from the QT to play in Classic instead?

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Post by Ctrl Alt de Ligt on 10/07/19, 10:21 am

What type of fees do the big clubs pay to the league that the “small” clubs don’t pay?

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Post by New2competitive on 10/07/19, 11:03 am

Maradona wrote:These teams that didn't earn it will get crushed in Classic.  It doesn't do the players on these teams any good, it doesn't do their opponents any good but these big clubs do pay lots of $ to the league so we know who it does good.

In U12 Classic last year Solar moved a team in to fill an empty slot that didn't win a game, scored 7 goals and allowed 147 goals.  Development?  How bout taking the next few teams from the QT to play in Classic instead?  

This is what I was thinking as well, think if you have x amount of players leave then it should be that the team has to requalify or next team from qt moves up at the bottom of the list and pushes next team up.

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Post by Maradona on 10/07/19, 11:04 am

Same fees, just much more volume. You cater to your large clients. Teams should have to earn their way in so that their level of play is up to their opponents.

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Post by Ctrl Alt de Ligt on 10/07/19, 04:47 pm

I have no problem with a club getting a bye in a league that they earned. Yes, sometimes teams like the one you referenced earlier get killed, but other teams from that same club got byes into D1 and D2 and did fine. The qualifying tournament allows for teams to earn their way in by developing the entire year to prep for the qualifying tournament. 

Big Club: "We'll play in your league with a majority of the top talent in the metroplex. BUT, you have to promise that when our U11 team goes to DA at U12, you give us a BYE for another team to join?" 

Said no "Big Club" ever.

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Post by New2competitive on 10/07/19, 05:47 pm

Ctrl Alt de Ligt wrote:I have no problem with a club getting a bye in a league that they earned. Yes, sometimes teams like the one you referenced earlier get killed, but other teams from that same club got byes into D1 and D2 and did fine. The qualifying tournament allows for teams to earn their way in by developing the entire year to prep for the qualifying tournament. 

Big Club: "We'll play in your league with a majority of the top talent in the metroplex. BUT, you have to promise that when our U11 team goes to DA at U12, you give us a BYE for another team to join?" 

Said no "Big Club" ever.

I don't fully disagree with you, but if x(big club) already had decent teams in D2, you would think one of those teams would have gotten the bye into D1 vs gifting a spot to a basically completely new team with players who were playing in less competitive leagues.

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Post by Ctrl Alt de Ligt on 10/07/19, 06:14 pm

I 100% agree with you N2C. But that is on the club and not the league. I also don't see how a "big club" gains financially from something like that, as well. That is why I questioned Maradona's $ comment and the league's involvement.

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Post by BusbyBabes on 16/07/19, 02:02 pm

I think my biggest criticism isnt the "free pass" to D1... but the empty promises of recruiting with the guise of 12 Pre "DA" teams (two teams each for 6 pre DA academies) when there will only be 3 DA academies next year (no more Texan South, Solar West and FC Dallas South). I get that half of the promised coaches were short changed, but deceiving parents and players with future bigger promises that don't exist is troublesome.

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Post by New2competitive on 17/07/19, 12:46 pm

BusbyBabes wrote:I think my biggest criticism isnt the "free pass" to D1... but the empty promises of recruiting with the guise of 12 Pre "DA" teams (two teams each for 6 pre DA academies) when there will only be 3 DA academies next year (no more Texan South, Solar West and FC Dallas South).  I get that half of the promised coaches were short changed, but deceiving parents and players with future bigger promises that don't exist is troublesome.

Every coach in my opinion sells fake promises, I think it's up to the parents to do their own research and also be realistic with their kids level. Too many parents think their kids are prospects and coaches take advantage of that. We didn't know much about competitive soccer last year but we learned real fast the reality of things. So I think parent's don't have an excuse, my issue is with Classic being less competitive, there should be some kind of rules to teams that vacate a spots.

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Post by New2competitive on 17/07/19, 12:49 pm

I think they should give the top teams that didn't qualify a chance by maybe playing the team that is supposed to fill a slot, then the winning team gets bumped into D2 and moves the teams up. That way only teams that worked for it are in there. Im sure that's easier said than done. But just sounds like after u11 classic is not as "prestigious" as it's talked about .

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