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Post by Mpereztx10 on 23/07/19, 03:54 pm

Has anyone seen FT Worth FC play? Also I would have thought Dallas Texans white would have been ranked in front of lightning. There were a few surprises for me. Like jdl lovegrove seeding and grado not getting punished for not playing. Just my opinion , doesnt mean anything

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Post by smugrr on 23/07/19, 04:18 pm

And Texans White at 12 got Cosmos Black at 11 (current NPR). I believe they are the only two teams in the teens to match up? (have not finished my chart).

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Post by SoccerMinion on 23/07/19, 06:32 pm

I also found it curious how both Villarreal and Lightning jumped Texans White/Salsa somewhat uncorrelated to FBR, especially considering Salsa beat both teams at King Tut. Understand that King Tut may not have featured prominently in the overall seeding decision, but it must have been quite close given that Lightning is the #20 team in FBR. Why not consult the most recent score?

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Post by Butfirstsoccer09 on 23/07/19, 07:58 pm

Junior Classic seems to be the main factor. Villareal and Lightning finished 4th in their divisions and Williamson finished 5th. Dallas Texans White finished 7th. Grado finished 3rd with 33 points. Close 2nd and 3rd place finishers were told they would be given preference during seeding. That’s the only way FC Dallas Willett makes sense as the overall second seed, since they finished 2nd in their junior Classic division. Bones should have been the overall second seed based on King Tut, but they also finished 4th in Junior Classic so that seems to have bumped them down.

The seeding was released before the last FBR was published. I haven’t compared the two, but if FBR is a factor at all that could be why the rankings don’t match.


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Post by Eddyinmyyeti on 23/07/19, 08:18 pm

FBR for sure wasn’t a factor. Agree that JGCL was primary factor with tut maybe helping primarily with the lower seeds. Although I think FCD Red could have really helped themselves with a better tut result given their surge in the late spring. Not sure tut helped Bones much either so maybe tut didn’t matter much at all for top 10.

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Post by Butfirstsoccer09 on 23/07/19, 08:26 pm

I agree Eddy. Seems King Tut like it really only mattered for teams up in the air. Cosmos Black finished 6th in Junior Classic. I think that’s why they are seeded with Texans White.

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Post by SoccerMinion on 23/07/19, 09:21 pm

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

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Post by Allday09 on 23/07/19, 09:24 pm

I think it’s safe to tell all the younger teams to save their time, money and sweat and skip out on king tut. If it doesn’t matter, why play?

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Post by Butfirstsoccer09 on 23/07/19, 09:26 pm

It’s good prep, but probably not necessary for established teams with consistent history.

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Post by Cerv1973 on 23/07/19, 09:34 pm

Tut did factor in, however, they didn’t base it on scores. The LH staff watched a half of soccer for every team in the tourney. They made their evaluations and didn’t follow results.

The classic league definitely played a part as well.

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A. Angelone, Ft. Worth FC, Kernow Storm
B. FCD JDL Blue, Renegades Saldivar
C. Solar Grado, FCD Central
D. Solar East Gray, DFeeters Nazier
E. DFeeters Bones, Solar Castro/Volkan, Renegades
F. Cosmos, DT White
G. Villarreal Yellow, Solar Megli, DFeeters Garfias
H. Texas Spirit, FCD White, Cosmos White
I. FCD JDL Red, Solar Austin
J. Solar East Williamson, DT Red
K. Texas Lightning, Sting Spence, Solar West Garcia

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Post by ProDallas on 23/07/19, 09:52 pm

I get it that maybe the LH folks could only watch a half for each team at TUT. But, not paying attention to the results is ridiculous if that’s true. A lot of teams have several new players they are working in. Even several top 10 teams have experienced player turnover. So, based on that, I also think it’s shortsighted to place so much emphasis on the junior league results, especially when a lot of teams played several fewer games than some others due to the rain. Nevertheless, the brackets are set, and it’s time for the players to go compete. Good luck to everyone this weekend.
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Post by soccertx75 on 23/07/19, 10:09 pm

ProDallas wrote:I get it that maybe the LH folks could only watch a half for each team at TUT. But, not paying attention to the results is ridiculous if that’s true. A lot of teams have several new players they are working in. Even several top 10 teams have experienced player turnover. So, based on that, I also think it’s shortsighted to place so much emphasis on the junior league results, especially when a lot of teams played several fewer games than some others due to the rain. Nevertheless, the brackets are set, and it’s time for the players to go compete. Good luck to everyone this weekend.

That logic makes sense, but then it's also unfair to put too much stock in a single weekend of soccer when you have a year of league play (although shortened due to so much weather) to work off of, especially when the LH board knows (I believe?) what roster changes have happened. So I can kind of see both sides to be honest. But either way, yes, good luck to all teams this weekend.


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Post by ProDallas on 23/07/19, 10:38 pm

One thing I do know is that head to head results one week prior to the qualifying tourney are highly relevant to seeding the tourney. League games concluded over two months ago, and many player and even coaching changes have occurred since the fall 2018 season started. It is curious when the most recent results are not used to most accurately seed a tournament like this. But as we’ve agreed, the brackets are set and now the DDs compete. And, thank goodness for a bit of a cool down this weekend compared to TUT!
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Post by soccertx75 on 23/07/19, 10:40 pm

ProDallas wrote:One thing I do know is that head to head results one week prior to the qualifying tourney are highly relevant to seeding the tourney. League games concluded over two months ago, and many player and even coaching changes have occurred since the fall 2018 season started. It is curious when the most recent results are not used to most accurately seed a tournament like this. But as we’ve agreed, the brackets are set and now the DDs compete. And, thank goodness for a bit of a cool down this weekend compared to TUT!

Amen to that. When have we ever had such great weather in late July? Pretty awesome.

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Post by Socc-It-To-Me on 24/07/19, 07:54 am

Predictions on the ten teams that make Division 3?

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Post by MadProps1234! on 24/07/19, 08:16 am

Perhaps the LH seeding committee looked at the Youth Soccer Rankings instead of FBR, since the data is more controlled. It makes sense for some of the lower first seeds and higher second seeds if you look at those rankings vs. FBR paired with JCL results and Tut outcomes.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/TXN/10/Girls/

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Post by MadProps1234! on 24/07/19, 08:24 am

For D2 -
FT Worth Valcik
Solar Paul
Dallas Texans Central
D’feeters Naizer
Solar Castro
Solar Bardwell
Solar Megli
Renegades Salvidar
D’feeters Garfias
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Alternates -
NTX Celtic
Dallas TNT

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Post by smugrr on 24/07/19, 09:27 am

Who is Coppell FC Bailey and what are they ranked/ Could not find in FBR.

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Post by ProDallas on 24/07/19, 10:50 am

MadProps1234! wrote:Perhaps the LH seeding committee looked at the Youth Soccer Rankings instead of FBR, since the data is more controlled. It makes sense for some of the lower first seeds and higher second seeds if you look at those rankings vs. FBR paired with JCL results and Tut outcomes.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/TXN/10/Girls/

I hope they didn't do that, because the latest YSR ranking doesn't capture the TUT results for several teams who completely changed their GotSoccer accounts before TUT. This includes all the FC Dallas and Texans teams, several of which are included in the top 20 FBR and YSR. I imagine the YSR data will be more up to date later this week and definitely after first weekend of qualifying tourney.

Plus, FBR really does a better job of comparing NTX teams vs. NTX teams. Considering the LH committee is seeding only NTX teams in a qualifying tournament against each other, FBR provides a more pure comparison among that group than YSR does. That's because YSR includes games against out of area/state teams, older girl teams and boys teams, when applicable.
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Post by smugrr on 24/07/19, 11:14 am

Using the most current FBR, there is a wide range of rankings between 1 seed and 2 seed. This ranges from 32 slots in E and 29 slots in D to one slot in F and two slots in G.

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Post by MadProps1234! on 24/07/19, 12:10 pm

ProDallas- Good point.

Smugger- If they used the FBR at all, it would have been the 7/9 list. The brackets were released prior to the 7/21 FBR list being posted. There are lots of bizarre brackets using the 7/21 FBR. I haven’t compared the brackets to the 7/9 rankings to see if it looks off with that list though.

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Post by smugrr on 24/07/19, 01:37 pm

Understood. Dealing not with what could have been, should have been, might have been or anything else other than what is. Not interested in why it happened, only how it turned out.

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Post by ProphAC on 24/07/19, 02:01 pm

I heard from an informed boys parent today that the QT groups for the boys are all wrong. He said that the #1 overall seed isn’t really the top team and is more like a 7-10 level team. He thinks Rush has a strong chance of winning the group. What luck! I believe Rush will qualify for sure but I thought it would take two weekends... it should be very interesting to watch.
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Post by Socc-It-To-Me on 24/07/19, 02:47 pm

For those teams that don't make Lake Highlands, how does Plano Premier League qualifying work?

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Post by President Camacho on 24/07/19, 03:57 pm

Socc-It-To-Me wrote:For those teams that don't make Lake Highlands, how does Plano Premier League qualifying work?
It's a similar format to LH QT, but 19 teams make D1 and rest to D2. You can just sign up to play D2 without going to QT. I think 21 teams went to Plano QT last year.
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Post by smugrr on 29/07/19, 08:43 am

No surprises in qualifying.

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