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Post by larry7405 10/07/12, 07:40 am

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Post by lostntexas 10/07/12, 08:41 am

She's no different then the rest of the athletes! She know.what to take and what not to take, they are provided.a list monthly im sure.. If this was VICK what would u think? TRUE. OR FALSE? She done DOPE ..She's not the first or last to use that. LAME ASS EXCUSE. I DIDN'T. KNOW. She young and white and do dope. Sad but TRUE .......
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Post by Guest 10/07/12, 09:05 am

lostntexas wrote:She's no different then the rest of the athletes! She know.what to take and what not to take, they are provided.a list monthly im sure.. If this was VICK what would u think? TRUE. OR FALSE? She done DOPE ..She's not the first or last to use that. LAME ASS EXCUSE. I DIDN'T. KNOW. She young and white and do dope. Sad but TRUE .......

If it was Vick, I would assume he was killing dogs after snorting cocaine. The case with Hope is a non-issue. I'm having a nice swig of a dieuretic in my coffee cup even as a type this. Someone call the cops!

Here's the story - or lack thereof, actually - on Hope Solo: http://www.ajc.com/sports/hope-solo-gets-warning-1475292.html

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Post by good4nuthin 10/07/12, 09:24 am

Everyone loves a good witch hunt... She can't be that good - LETS BURN HER!!!!

Seriously, how would a diuretic found in PMS medication going to enhance a goal keepers performance - sorry to rain on the bandwagon - but, it won't...
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Post by Sooner than later 10/07/12, 09:26 am

lostntexas wrote:She's no different then the rest of the athletes! She know.what to take and what not to take, they are provided.a list monthly im sure.. If this was VICK what would u think? TRUE. OR FALSE? She done DOPE ..She's not the first or last to use that. LAME ASS EXCUSE. I DIDN'T. KNOW. She young and white and do dope. Sad but TRUE .......



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Post by 02Dad 10/07/12, 10:23 am

good4nuthin wrote:Everyone loves a good witch hunt... She can't be that good - LETS BURN HER!!!!

Seriously, how would a diuretic found in PMS medication going to enhance a goal keepers performance - sorry to rain on the bandwagon - but, it won't...

Diuretics are not used to enhance performance, they are sometimes used to flush other performance enhancing drugs out of your system.
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Post by Guest 10/07/12, 10:24 am

Heard Lance Armstrong is filing a new motion today to get an injunction in his USADA case, claiming that he was just retaining excess water from 1999-2011...

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Post by soccermom78 10/07/12, 10:35 am

Since I'm a chick I feel qualified to answer on the PMS medication issue. LOL Every girl knows Midol or any other PMS medicine contains a diuretic. I'm not just talking sports stars. 14yr old girls know that PMS meds help get rid of water weight from hormones. I'm not saying it helped/didn't help with performance. Hope Solo isn't dumb, but maybe she just didn't think about it since the individual ingredients in each womans preferred PMS remedy rarely enter her mind. Not knowing, however, is a stretch.

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Post by good4nuthin 10/07/12, 10:39 am

02Dad wrote:
good4nuthin wrote:Everyone loves a good witch hunt... She can't be that good - LETS BURN HER!!!!

Seriously, how would a diuretic found in PMS medication going to enhance a goal keepers performance - sorry to rain on the bandwagon - but, it won't...

Diuretics are not used to enhance performance, they are sometimes used to flush other performance enhancing drugs out of your system.
They can also be used to drop additional water weight to make an athlete lighter - but in this case, the dosage was consistent with the PMS medication and would not make a difference in flushing the body or losing water weight... Which is why the warning.
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Post by Gunner9 10/07/12, 10:41 am

If they don't enhance performance, how did she hit 73 home runs last year?
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soccermom78 wrote:Since I'm a chick I feel qualified to answer on the PMS medication issue. LOL Every girl knows Midol or any other PMS medicine contains a diuretic. I'm not just talking sports stars. 14yr old girls know that PMS meds help get rid of water weight from hormones. I'm not saying it helped/didn't help with performance. Hope Solo isn't dumb, but maybe she just didn't think about it since the individual ingredients in each womans preferred PMS remedy rarely enter her mind. Not knowing, however, is a stretch.

My above joke aside... 02Dad said it correctly. The diuretic is NOT considered a PED. It is on the USADA/WADA's radar screen because it has been used or suspected to have been used to help athletes flush PED's from their system to avoid a positive test.

If you read the details about the case, it sounds like Hope Solo was very proactive and cooperative in her approach to this, which led to the "warning" vs. a suspension. I've never gotten the sense the USADA or WADA have any sort of penchant for being lenient, so for Hope to get off with a "warning" from them suggests to me that there really isn't anything to this story other than an honest mistake by Hope and her physician.

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Post by good4nuthin 10/07/12, 10:55 am

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soccermom78 wrote:Since I'm a chick I feel qualified to answer on the PMS medication issue. LOL Every girl knows Midol or any other PMS medicine contains a diuretic. I'm not just talking sports stars. 14yr old girls know that PMS meds help get rid of water weight from hormones. I'm not saying it helped/didn't help with performance. Hope Solo isn't dumb, but maybe she just didn't think about it since the individual ingredients in each womans preferred PMS remedy rarely enter her mind. Not knowing, however, is a stretch.

My above joke aside... 02Dad said it correctly. The diuretic is NOT considered a PED. It is on the USADA/WADA's radar screen because it has been used or suspected to have been used to help athletes flush PED's from their system to avoid a positive test.

If you read the details about the case, it sounds like Hope Solo was very proactive and cooperative in her approach to this, which led to the "warning" vs. a suspension. I've never gotten the sense the USADA or WADA have any sort of penchant for being lenient, so for Hope to get off with a "warning" from them suggests to me that there really isn't anything to this story other than an honest mistake by Hope and her physician.

I am sure there was an OH S%#! moment at the Solo camp. Lots of Nike sponsorship dollars riding on that chica... You would think they would be more thorough with those kind of dollars at stake.
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Post by oldboot 10/07/12, 11:02 am

bwgophers wrote:
soccermom78 wrote:Since I'm a chick I feel qualified to answer on the PMS medication issue. LOL Every girl knows Midol or any other PMS medicine contains a diuretic. I'm not just talking sports stars. 14yr old girls know that PMS meds help get rid of water weight from hormones. I'm not saying it helped/didn't help with performance. Hope Solo isn't dumb, but maybe she just didn't think about it since the individual ingredients in each womans preferred PMS remedy rarely enter her mind. Not knowing, however, is a stretch.

My above joke aside... 02Dad said it correctly. The diuretic is NOT considered a PED. It is on the USADA/WADA's radar screen because it has been used or suspected to have been used to help athletes flush PED's from their system to avoid a positive test.

If you read the details about the case, it sounds like Hope Solo was very proactive and cooperative in her approach to this, which led to the "warning" vs. a suspension. I've never gotten the sense the USADA or WADA have any sort of penchant for being lenient, so for Hope to get off with a "warning" from them suggests to me that there really isn't anything to this story other than an honest mistake by Hope and her physician.

What everyone has failed to consider is that retained water would have adversly affected her ability to dance in a tight dress while competing on Dancing With The Stars. This is horrible, her blind ambition to win has totally compromised the intergrity and reliablity of the results of that esteemed competition. Shame on you Hope Solo - Shame - Shame - Shame!

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Post by txtransplant 10/07/12, 11:08 am

Solo gave interviews at the beginning of the year saying she lost muscle strength during her stint on DWTS. And, as a result, she suffered a leg injury when putting in extra work to get back into shape. If I remember correctly, didn't she only play the first half when the USWNT played NZ here?

I hate to say it, but it does make me wonder. Especially since the ingredient she tested positive for is often used to mask other performance enhancing drugs.
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Post by DoubleDDRedux 10/07/12, 12:14 pm

I'd still hit it!
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Post by larry7405 10/07/12, 01:23 pm

Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side. Just imagine the ratings without Solo on the field for the Olympics. It's all about the $$$$$$...Explains why Abby can play TE for the Cowboys...

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Post by DoubleDDRedux 10/07/12, 01:36 pm

larry7405 wrote:Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side. Just imagine the ratings without Solo on the field for the Olympics. It's all about the $$$$$$...Explains why Abby can play TE for the Cowboys...
And Hope can water a yard!Hope Solo Busted? True or False This_is_hope_solo_naked_and_watering_the_lawn_in_espn_the_nudie_magazine
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Post by txtransplant 10/07/12, 03:01 pm

larry7405 wrote:Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side.

You must have forgotten about Marion Jones. It's been on the women's side of things for quite some time now.
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Post by good4nuthin 10/07/12, 03:22 pm

txtransplant wrote:
larry7405 wrote:Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side.

You must have forgotten about Marion Jones. It's been on the women's side of things for quite some time now.

You're equating using a below threshold diuretic (only useful in making weight in boxing, mma, and wrestling - and - yes - as a masking agent for other drugs in much larger doses) and using synthetic testosterone, EPO, HGH and Steroids (useful in almost all sports to increase performance)? This is a joke, right?

- sorry, I don't think Performance Enhancing Drugs are prevalent in women's soccer - Solo makes 2.5 million per year on endorsements - more than any other woman soccer player - mostly because of her name recognition from Sports Illustrated Swimsuit and Dancing with the stars - she is a talented goal keeper - I doubt seriously she needs PEDs to keep her position on the national team... Just her name on the roster alone packs stadiums and makes little girls buy shirts, shoes and gatorade...
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Post by txtransplant 10/07/12, 04:51 pm

good4nuthin wrote:
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larry7405 wrote:Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side.

You must have forgotten about Marion Jones. It's been on the women's side of things for quite some time now.

You're equating using a below threshold diuretic (only useful in making weight in boxing, mma, and wrestling - and - yes - as a masking agent for other drugs in much larger doses) and using synthetic testosterone, EPO, HGH and Steroids (useful in almost all sports to increase performance)? This is a joke, right?

The poster I was responding to seemed to think these kinds of controversies hadn't befallen any female athletes in the US. All I was pointing out was that Marion Jones, who also made millions in endorsements and was regarded as a celebrity even before winning five gold medals in Sydney, fell into the trap of PEDs.

Let's play devil's advocate for a minute...

Since Hope Solo does make most, if not all, of her money from endorsements (which of course is directly related to her playing in high profile competitions) how much would it have hurt her financially to miss these Olympics do to injury? According to what you just posted, she'd stand to lose about $2.5 million a year.

Do I think she used the same stuff Jones used, if any at all? Hell if I know. But the sad reality is it is very possible.

Can you honestly say that if you were an Olympic caliber athlete and your livelihood depended upon passing random drug tests, that you wouldn't check and double check anything any physician prescribed for you prior to taking it?

I guess I'm the only one who wouldn't take one person's word for it even if they have the letters M and D on their office door.



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Post by 4-4-2-Diamond 10/07/12, 05:00 pm

txtransplant wrote:
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txtransplant wrote:
larry7405 wrote:Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side.

You must have forgotten about Marion Jones. It's been on the women's side of things for quite some time now.

You're equating using a below threshold diuretic (only useful in making weight in boxing, mma, and wrestling - and - yes - as a masking agent for other drugs in much larger doses) and using synthetic testosterone, EPO, HGH and Steroids (useful in almost all sports to increase performance)? This is a joke, right?

The poster I was responding to seemed to think these kinds of controversies hadn't befallen any female athletes in the US. All I was pointing out was that Marion Jones, who also made millions in endorsements and was regarded as a celebrity even before winning five gold medals in Sydney, fell into the trap of PEDs.

Let's play devil's advocate for a minute...

Since Hope Solo does make most, if not all, of her money from endorsements (which of course is directly related to her playing in high profile competitions) how much would it have hurt her financially to miss these Olympics do to injury?

Do I think she used the same stuff Jones used, if any at all? Hell if I know. But the sad reality is it is very possible.

Can you honestly say that if you were an Olympic caliber athlete and your livelihood depended upon passing random drug tests, that you wouldn't check and double check anything any physician prescribed for you prior to taking it?

I guess I'm the only one who wouldn't take one person's word for it even if they have the letters M and D on their office door.




Athletes busted for banned substances nearly always say they didn't know, and usually use their doctor as an excuse. The docs have been a part of the game for a long time.

The fact this particular diuretic is commonly used as a masking agent makes me suspicious. And I don't understand why she was given a public warning. If her usage was legit what was the point of going public with the warning? If it is a banned substance, she should have been punished regardless whether she had a M.D. willing to vouch for her, as those are apparently not in short supply for for high profile athletes.


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First time is a freebee for me. Second time, if it happens will tell the the truth. Until then I'm still a fan.
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Post by IPAYSHEPLAYS 10/07/12, 10:44 pm

From her facebook page:

For those asking, I didn't "fail a drug test," but rather had a diuretic in my system I shouldn't have had from a medication prescribed to me. Lesson learned: Triple check all my prescription meds. An honest mistake. Thanks to all the fans for their support. Next stop #London2012
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Post by good4nuthin 11/07/12, 09:09 am

txtransplant wrote:
good4nuthin wrote:
txtransplant wrote:
larry7405 wrote:Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side.

You must have forgotten about Marion Jones. It's been on the women's side of things for quite some time now.

You're equating using a below threshold diuretic (only useful in making weight in boxing, mma, and wrestling - and - yes - as a masking agent for other drugs in much larger doses) and using synthetic testosterone, EPO, HGH and Steroids (useful in almost all sports to increase performance)? This is a joke, right?

The poster I was responding to seemed to think these kinds of controversies hadn't befallen any female athletes in the US. All I was pointing out was that Marion Jones, who also made millions in endorsements and was regarded as a celebrity even before winning five gold medals in Sydney, fell into the trap of PEDs.

Let's play devil's advocate for a minute...

Since Hope Solo does make most, if not all, of her money from endorsements (which of course is directly related to her playing in high profile competitions) how much would it have hurt her financially to miss these Olympics do to injury? According to what you just posted, she'd stand to lose about $2.5 million a year.

Do I think she used the same stuff Jones used, if any at all? Hell if I know. But the sad reality is it is very possible.

Can you honestly say that if you were an Olympic caliber athlete and your livelihood depended upon passing random drug tests, that you wouldn't check and double check anything any physician prescribed for you prior to taking it?

I guess I'm the only one who wouldn't take one person's word for it even if they have the letters M and D on their office door.




Ok - I will play the role against for arguments sake... I think speeding is a fairly good day-to-day analogy, although overly simplified - when it comes to systematic doping - which I take all are referencing here.

I know where the cops sit on my commute to work. I know I can pass a cop at about 10mph over the posted limit and not be stopped. Some drivers have radar detectors. Some don't get caught just by dumb luck. The fact that I haven't gotten a ticket despite driving 85 miles round trip for the last 8 years is not proof that I unfailingly obey the speed limit.

Hope got a warning. Maybe the diuretic is a masking agent is being used to dilute micro doses of steroids / etc - to accelerate the healing of her leg while training for London (they leave tomorrow) - which besides the World Cup - is what all her sponsorship dollars are riding on. After all $2.5 MM in contracts is worth a little risk right???

I can see it both ways - although, I will chalk it up to an honest mistake this time. BUT from the USDA's point of view, she is now on the radar and will most likely be subject to more random tests in the future.
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good4nuthin wrote:
txtransplant wrote:
good4nuthin wrote:
txtransplant wrote:
larry7405 wrote:Very interesting to see these drugs move to the woman's side.

You must have forgotten about Marion Jones. It's been on the women's side of things for quite some time now.

You're equating using a below threshold diuretic (only useful in making weight in boxing, mma, and wrestling - and - yes - as a masking agent for other drugs in much larger doses) and using synthetic testosterone, EPO, HGH and Steroids (useful in almost all sports to increase performance)? This is a joke, right?

The poster I was responding to seemed to think these kinds of controversies hadn't befallen any female athletes in the US. All I was pointing out was that Marion Jones, who also made millions in endorsements and was regarded as a celebrity even before winning five gold medals in Sydney, fell into the trap of PEDs.

Let's play devil's advocate for a minute...

Since Hope Solo does make most, if not all, of her money from endorsements (which of course is directly related to her playing in high profile competitions) how much would it have hurt her financially to miss these Olympics do to injury? According to what you just posted, she'd stand to lose about $2.5 million a year.

Do I think she used the same stuff Jones used, if any at all? Hell if I know. But the sad reality is it is very possible.

Can you honestly say that if you were an Olympic caliber athlete and your livelihood depended upon passing random drug tests, that you wouldn't check and double check anything any physician prescribed for you prior to taking it?

I guess I'm the only one who wouldn't take one person's word for it even if they have the letters M and D on their office door.




Ok - I will play the role against for arguments sake... I think speeding is a fairly good day-to-day analogy, although overly simplified - when it comes to systematic doping - which I take all are referencing here.

I know where the cops sit on my commute to work. I know I can pass a cop at about 10mph over the posted limit and not be stopped. Some drivers have radar detectors. Some don't get caught just by dumb luck. The fact that I haven't gotten a ticket despite driving 85 miles round trip for the last 8 years is not proof that I unfailingly obey the speed limit.

Hope got a warning. Maybe the diuretic is a masking agent is being used to dilute micro doses of steroids / etc - to accelerate the healing of her leg while training for London (they leave tomorrow) - which besides the World Cup - is what all her sponsorship dollars are riding on. After all $2.5 MM in contracts is worth a little risk right???

I can see it both ways - although, I will chalk it up to an honest mistake this time. BUT from the USDA's point of view, she is now on the radar and will most likely be subject to more random tests in the future.

That would make them no longer random. Shocked

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