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Post by go99 22/01/13, 11:17 am

if a 7 yr old doesn't get the instructions then she is likely to do nothing. However and emotional adult in a game that is not going their way could see it as instructions to "hurt my kid" They could then respond by yelling and putting their fingers into someones face or make a new login ID and angrily post about a situation that seems to be mostly a group of adults behaving badly.

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Post by Shelby427 22/01/13, 12:01 pm

Parents need to stay out of this all together. You have to trust your coach to look after player saftey and if you don't then pick another coach.

Starting arguments and accusations between parents on the other team has very little chance to resolve your issue and will only make both teams look bad.

Let the coaches handle the game... this is not the parent's job.

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Post by bigtex75081 22/01/13, 01:24 pm

Shelby427 wrote:Parents need to stay out of this all together. You have to trust your coach to look after player saftey and if you don't then pick another coach.

Starting arguments and accusations between parents on the other team has very little chance to resolve your issue and will only make both teams look bad.

Let the coaches handle the game... this is not the parent's job.
I've been asked many times by parents, "Why do all the parents have to sit on one side of the field together and both teams sit on the other sideline together?" Ahhh... because of stuff exactly like this.
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Post by DrSoccer 22/01/13, 04:32 pm

If you find this type of behavior offensive then you are going to find the next 10yrs of select soccer very difficult.
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Post by Tiki-taka 22/01/13, 06:04 pm

bigtex75081 wrote:
Shelby427 wrote:Parents need to stay out of this all together. You have to trust your coach to look after player saftey and if you don't then pick another coach.

Starting arguments and accusations between parents on the other team has very little chance to resolve your issue and will only make both teams look bad.

Let the coaches handle the game... this is not the parent's job.
I've been asked many times by parents, "Why do all the parents have to sit on one side of the field together and both teams sit on the other sideline together?" Ahhh... because of stuff exactly like this.

Also, another example of why team parents should exercise the 24 hour rule (in this case even with the opposing coach). Emotions are way too high during and after a game.

Also, take the issue inside to their own coach and manager and let them figure out how to handle the issue, if at all. Too many Chiefs, not enough squaws.

Ciao Bella

Note: I broke that 24 hour rule, and remind myself all the time how stupid I was.
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Post by TatonkaBurger 22/01/13, 07:39 pm

go99 – So you have made up your mind on this whole situation based on the story presented by one first-time, newly created avatar compared to the story of another first-time, newly created avatar, both of whom have failed to post again? I know firsthand that you are quick to dismiss first-time posters.

We can all only wish that we had been there to hear the comment made to the team by the coach because each side’s wording of the statement has substantial differences. It is hard to believe that either would get it so wrong. When you read through the other posts, you see one that says they have heard similar stories about this coach and another that says get your facts straight before you post anything, each one backing a side. Neither helps me figure out what happened.

Rather than picking a side and inflaming the situation, I would think a guy of your stature on these forums would encourage the parents of each team to cool off, move on, forget about it and let the girls play the game they love to play. Craig_75248 said it right, that is exactly what these teams need to do. And I hope it happens because this is a situation we can all learn from and one that will hopefully change behavior – of both parents and coaches.
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Post by go99 22/01/13, 09:48 pm

lol to pick a side I would have to care. My side is I don't think the original poster should have posted at all. Just take their loss and move on and by both accounts they should all learn to act better. You really must be new. The problem is not the first time poster. The more of those the better. The problem is it smelled alot like a current poster with a shiny new profile to post under. That way the nasty disparaging comments could be hid under a new profile. So no cool down period, thats no fun. Get on and post while you are still angry and peferably after a drink or two so its really good. Just have the stones to step up and stand behind the crazy things you say don't hide behind multiple profiles.
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Post by Indy28 23/01/13, 07:48 pm

There is an old saying, “There are 3 sides to every story - my side, your side, and what really happened.”  They also say that, “Perception is reality,” and sometimes it is not.  The reality is that several parents heard the coach’s directives at halftime when he told them, “Take them out even if you have to foul them.”

For starters, it would appear that one of the most important things to remember is that this is an independent team.  The Celtic FC club has issued a post stating that they have no ’05 team and this club should not be pulled into the negative mix.   

The D’feeters led 1-0 at halftime, the Celtic FC team tied it up by game’s end and the Celtic FC team eventually won in a shootout.  Surely it must have been an exciting game, but sour grapes over losing does not seem to be the issue.  What appears to be the main concern is the dirty tactics being directed by a coach to 8 year old girls. 

In this facility, the parents sit directly next to the coaches and their bench areas as opposed to being seated on the other side of the turf.  There is also a balcony that overlooks the team benches and sound does travel to both areas.   Numerous parents from the D’feeter team heard the Celtics FC coach tell his players, “Take them out even if you have to foul them.”  This didn’t sit well with parents who watched the game become more physical.  After the game, the Celtic FC coach was approached by a protective mom who was concerned about him encouraging injury.  Sticking a finger up while making a point does not warrant a response of a threat to break her finger.   All of this occurred in front of 8 year olds from both teams and their parents.  This is where the story seems to differ on perspectives.  Perhaps protective husbands and soccer dads did and said some inappropriate things in the parking lot that not everyone witnessed in response to the threat to break the mother’s finger.  Has anyone thought about the messages this scenario sent to children and how scarring it can be?

Here is some of the reality:  If the American Sports facility’s manager, representatives or game officials did not hear these alleged statements made by the coach then they responded that they could do nothing about the complaints.  If a coach is giving directives to players to foul and play dirty, what can be done?  The forum of public opinion and a public outing may seem to some as the only resort to forewarn others of the coaching of illegal tactics.  Sure, emotion and sarcasm may not be the best choice of announcements, but being a “first time post-ee” seems to be the only thing that some readers are responding to in this post. What can we as a soccer community do as we all know that this is not the first or last incident we will witness involving coaching misconduct?  Without getting snarky with responses, what can we do to help monitor, police, and protect that domain which should be a place to play, compete, learn, grow, develop and have fun in a healthy, safe and positive environment?  And what should the parents who heard such a statement do when they hear, “Take them out even if you have to foul them” during a game?

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