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Post by Guest 05/09/13, 09:04 am

Current Rankings are inclusive of Spring/Summer Tournament Results and Fall League Results from 5/1/13 through Present Date.  All Spring League results have been removed from the history.

The teams currently listed in the FBR rankings have been confirmed as registered to play in a girls NTX academy league for Fall 2013, AND, have a minimum of 3 games played against other '05 opponents since 5/1/13.  As of this posting, I do NOT have any information on teams registered to play in UAL, or PYL for Fall 2013, so if your favorite team is playing in one of those leagues, they are not listed in FBR yet.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 05/09/13, 09:58 am

With the exception of one glaring "what the..." in the top 10, this looks fairly accurate.
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Post by swimmingatdawn 05/09/13, 01:13 pm

You can't blame a team for "working the system". If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good. 2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
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Post by 007shaken 05/09/13, 01:24 pm

swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
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Post by swimmingatdawn 05/09/13, 01:34 pm

I agree, but possibly good for recruiting?
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Post by tpitty 05/09/13, 02:46 pm

007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.

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Post by tpitty 05/09/13, 02:49 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:With the exception of one glaring "what the..." in the top 10, this looks fairly accurate.
Which one were you glaring at? Sanchez?

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Post by TatonkaBurger 05/09/13, 03:37 pm

tpitty wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:With the exception of one glaring "what the..." in the top 10, this looks fairly accurate.
Which one were you glaring at? Sanchez?
That's the one.  They are credited with 6 wins and no losses.  All of the wins are from last weekend winning the Silver bracket of the Plano Labor Day Tournament.  And they did all that with guest players and guest coaching.
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Post by Lakedad 05/09/13, 03:41 pm

tpitty wrote:
007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.
Well, you've got me there. Why not find the best to compete with and against your DD? Of course, if it doesn't work out, your DD is riding the bench and you're on the sidelines alone drinking out of a Styrofoam cup mumbling about the good old days.
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Post by TatonkaBurger 05/09/13, 04:42 pm

Lakedad wrote:
tpitty wrote:
007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.
Well, you've got me there.  Why not find the best to compete with and against your DD?  Of course, if it doesn't work out, your DD is riding the bench and you're on the sidelines alone drinking out of a Styrofoam cup mumbling about the good old days.  
There are a few coaches up there that build and develop.
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Post by tpitty 05/09/13, 04:44 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
Lakedad wrote:
tpitty wrote:
007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.
Well, you've got me there.  Why not find the best to compete with and against your DD?  Of course, if it doesn't work out, your DD is riding the bench and you're on the sidelines alone drinking out of a Styrofoam cup mumbling about the good old days.  
There are a few coaches up there that build and develop.
Mine was more with the parent jump. I am sure the coaching is spot on. I mean Diaz coached Sanchez to top 10 Laughing 

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Post by TatonkaBurger 05/09/13, 04:58 pm

tpitty wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
Lakedad wrote:
tpitty wrote:
007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.
Well, you've got me there.  Why not find the best to compete with and against your DD?  Of course, if it doesn't work out, your DD is riding the bench and you're on the sidelines alone drinking out of a Styrofoam cup mumbling about the good old days.  
There are a few coaches up there that build and develop.
Mine was more with the parent jump. I am sure the coaching is spot on. I mean Diaz coached Sanchez to top 10 Laughing 
No doubt.  And I made sure to say only a few too.
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Post by orbitzone2000 05/09/13, 06:40 pm

Just to set the record straight, Diaz did not coach the Sting Sanchez girls. Sanchez coached his girls. If you need proof of that go to the sting website and there is a photo of the team and coach on the home Page right after they got their metals. Doesn't look like Diaz to me. Sanchez only had 2 Diaz girls that guest played with them that I saw on Sat & Sun. Your Beef should be with Pulps 2 teams that are 1 & 3 in the rankings. They were using Aztecs girls, from my understanding Solar white would not have been able to play if they didn't have the Aztecs girls guesting. IMO, I don't think Coaches and parents think about these rankings when they are using or deciding to guest play, why would they? After all they are guest players and play for different teams anyway. Why would Aztecs parents want to help pulps ranking? Why would another Sting coach want to help his in club competitions Ranking? I think this is about touches for these girls and helping a fellow competitor.

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Post by futbollove 05/09/13, 08:34 pm

orbitzone2000 wrote:Just to set the record straight, Diaz did not coach the Sting Sanchez girls. Sanchez coached his girls. If you need proof of that go to the sting website and there is a photo of the team and coach on the home Page right after they got their metals. Doesn't look like Diaz to me. That only proves he handed out medals. Gonna need some sideline shots.
IMO, I don't think Coaches and parents think about these rankings when they are using or deciding to guest play, why would they? They don't use them for deciding when to guest play,although some may, but certainly do when looking to join a team.
Why would another Sting coach want to help his in club competitions Ranking? To get a nice picture for the website. lol! 
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Post by orbitzone2000 05/09/13, 11:54 pm

futbollove wrote:
orbitzone2000 wrote:Just to set the record straight, Diaz did not coach the Sting Sanchez girls. Sanchez coached his girls. If you need proof of that go to the sting website and there is a photo of the team and coach on the home Page right after they got their metals. Doesn't look like Diaz to me. That only proves he handed out medals. Gonna need some sideline shots.
IMO, I don't think Coaches and parents think about these rankings when they are using or deciding to guest play, why would they? They don't use them for deciding when to guest play,although some may, but certainly do when looking to join a team.
Why would another Sting coach want to help his in club competitions Ranking? To get a nice picture for the website. lol! 
Nice Work!clown 

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Post by The.Joker 06/09/13, 08:46 am

Lakedad wrote:
tpitty wrote:
007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.
Well, you've got me there.  Why not find the best to compete with and against your DD?  Of course, if it doesn't work out, your DD is riding the bench and you're on the sidelines alone drinking out of a Styrofoam cup mumbling about the good old days.  
I saw that guy last weekend!

It will be interesting to see what teams have consistent rosters during league play. My bet is that at least 3 teams in the top 10 are sharing players during weekend league games (which I didn't think was allowed by NTSSA). You'll see girls walk from one field to the other. And when it's done like this, it will be about winning, not extra touches. It would be great for this group to discuss what they see, so we're all aware what's really going on.

With Lady Aztecs playing in the '04 group, can their girls play for an '05 team as well?

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Post by banana kick 06/09/13, 02:27 pm

The.Joker wrote:
Lakedad wrote:
tpitty wrote:
007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.
Well, you've got me there.  Why not find the best to compete with and against your DD?  Of course, if it doesn't work out, your DD is riding the bench and you're on the sidelines alone drinking out of a Styrofoam cup mumbling about the good old days.  
I saw that guy last weekend!

It will be interesting to see what teams have consistent rosters during league play.  My bet is that at least 3 teams in the top 10 are sharing players during weekend league games (which I didn't think was allowed by NTSSA). You'll see girls walk from one field to the other.  And when it's done like this, it will be about winning, not extra touches.  It would be great for this group to discuss what they see, so we're all aware what's really going on.

With Lady Aztecs playing in the '04 group, can their girls play for an '05 team as well?
Yes, they can, as long as the teams play in different divisions.

And I agree that the 'extra touches' rationale is thrown around a bit too often these days. As long as a player is seeing the field at least 70% of their own game each week, there is no immediate need for extra touches, and certainly not through back-to-back games and not in this heat. In fact, the possibility of injury or burnout would seem to offset any potential short term gains.
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Post by The.Joker 07/09/13, 12:17 pm

banana kick wrote:
The.Joker wrote:
Lakedad wrote:
tpitty wrote:
007shaken wrote:
swimmingatdawn wrote:You can't blame a team for "working the system".  If the rankings are ONLY based on the Spring Summer tournaments, then it looks pretty good.  2-10 guest players can get you where you want to be.
I'm a little lost on why you would want to "work the system" for a meaningless ranking at U8?
You wouldn't believe the parents that look at this list and want there kids on a top 10 team. Glory hounds...why build and develop when you can join.
Well, you've got me there.  Why not find the best to compete with and against your DD?  Of course, if it doesn't work out, your DD is riding the bench and you're on the sidelines alone drinking out of a Styrofoam cup mumbling about the good old days.  
I saw that guy last weekend!

It will be interesting to see what teams have consistent rosters during league play.  My bet is that at least 3 teams in the top 10 are sharing players during weekend league games (which I didn't think was allowed by NTSSA). You'll see girls walk from one field to the other.  And when it's done like this, it will be about winning, not extra touches.  It would be great for this group to discuss what they see, so we're all aware what's really going on.

With Lady Aztecs playing in the '04 group, can their girls play for an '05 team as well?
Yes, they can, as long as the teams play in different divisions.

And I agree that the 'extra touches' rationale is thrown around a bit too often these days.  As long as a player is seeing the field at least 70% of their own game each week, there is no immediate need for extra touches, and certainly not through back-to-back games and not in this heat.  In fact, the possibility of injury or burnout would seem to offset any potential short term gains.  
I know that's true for tournaments, but I don't think NTSSA allows games with different teams during league play. I may be wrong.

Enough with the speculation! Good thing the awesome CFBAL Director, Nicole James, is on this forum and can set us straight!

Nicole, can the same player play on different teams in the same weekend during league play?

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Post by Soccerone 07/09/13, 08:27 pm

Hopefully they didn't play 05 and 04 in plano. We specifically asked the tournament if a few of our kids could help out an 04 tram that was short and they said definitely NO. One team and one team only.

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Post by NicoleJames 08/09/13, 07:56 am

Let's get this player playing on mulitple teams straight:
YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play. The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game. There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas. Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM.

Can an 05 player play on an 04 team - YES.
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team - NO!
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team that is playing in an 05 division - YES, BUT the appearance isn't fair. Your team is registered as an 06 -therefore your players should be of that age group.

I hope I have put all of the curiousity to rest...............see you on the pitch!
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Post by Indy28 08/09/13, 09:16 am

"YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play. The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game. There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas. Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM."

What is the reasoning or logic behind allowing players to play on numerous teams and for numerous clubs?  It is not allowed when they get to league play at the "select" level. Some will say that a player is getting extra touches while some will say it's stacking the deck for rankings, especially when the bench is full of existing teammates. Why can't coaches be made to play with the roster they chose at the start of the season?

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Post by dadof3 08/09/13, 09:17 am

Because there is no contract...so a kid can also leave a team at any time. The door swings both ways.
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Post by FriscoSoccer2004 08/09/13, 09:51 am

For your Sunday reading pleasure here is the rule per the NTSSA Bylaws... http://www.ntxsoccer.org/assets/pdfs/2013-2014_NTSSA_Bylaws_and_Rules.pdf

3.10.3
Soccer Academies
1. A “Soccer Academy” is a group of Under 7 through Under 10 registered NTSSA recreational players who desire to participate with other players without following the recreational team formation rules. Players must register with their home association and may or may not be on a recreational team, unless required to be on a recreational team by their home association. Academies are to be governed by NTSSA Youth Associations, and NTSSA Youth Associations may host as many Soccer Academies as they deem desirable. Academy teams are governed by the league in which they participate. (If more than one association is involved in an academy league an A&D committee should be in place.)
2. Coaches, trainers, administrators, etc., of Soccer Academies must have satisfactorily passed the criminal background check and information sent to NTSSA.
3. Soccer Academy play is in addition to recreational play. Players may join any Soccer Academy of their choosing within their age group, and are not required to obtain a release from their NTSSA recreational team to participate on an Academy team. Players must present a form of proof of registration signed by their home association registrar each time they participate with an Academy. Players may join as many Soccer Academies as they like as long as the Soccer Academy is recognized by a North Texas Soccer Member Youth Association. No formal contract or written commitment may be signed by or on behalf of the player to commit a player to an Academy team. The Academies may charge a fee to cover expenses in addition to the player’s recreational soccer registration fees. Academy players may participate in only one Academy tournament at a time. Violations of this rule shall result in sanctions against the offending party (coach, assistant coach, manager, parent, or other team representative), which could include suspension from all soccer activities for a period of time.
4. Member Associations may provide league play if they have enough teams, or may coordinate with other Member Associations to provide a league or games between Soccer Academy teams from different home associations. Age division play will be designated as Under 7 through Under 10. Scores and standings should not be kept.
5. Soccer Academy teams are not considered “registered teams,” and therefore do not have to follow recreational team formation rules. Soccer Academy teams may not enter NTSSA sanctioned tournaments unless the tournament has specified a “Soccer Academy” bracket. In that event, players must declare which Soccer Academy team they will play with in the tournament and may only play for one team in a tournament. Soccer Academy teams may not travel out of NTSSA as a team to play in tournaments.
6. Soccer Academy rosters may change from week to week to accommodate players desiring to change Soccer Academies, or to accommodate players who want to play on one team one week and another team the next week.
7. The purposes of the Soccer Academies are to:
a. Provide recreational players who have aspirations of becoming a more accomplished player an avenue to test and enhance his or her skills.
b. Provide recreational players an opportunity to train with experienced coaches.
c. Provide recreational players an opportunity to investigate the level of play with which they are comfortable, which players they would like to play with, and for which coaches they would like to play.
8. Recruiting is not allowed on Soccer Academy teams. Soccer Academies are to be used for training, not recruiting.
9. For the purpose of this rule, all players participating in a Soccer Academy who are also registered with an NTSSA Member youth association recreational or recreational plus team shall, in the event of a conflict, consider the NTSSA recreational team or recreational plus team to be their primary team and the Soccer Academy as a secondary commitment.
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Post by PLAY2FEET!! 08/09/13, 10:20 am

CFBSA wrote:Let's get this player playing on mulitple teams straight:
YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play.  The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game.  There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas.  Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM.

Can an 05 player play on an 04 team - YES.
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team - NO!
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team that is playing in an 05 division - YES, BUT the appearance isn't fair. Your team is registered as an 06 -therefore your players should be of that age group.

I hope I have put all of the curiousity to rest...............see you on the pitch!
Why is the appearance unfair? It would only be unfair if the team was playing in the 06 age group with an 05 on the roster.

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Post by FriscoSoccer2004 08/09/13, 10:41 am

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:
CFBSA wrote:Let's get this player playing on mulitple teams straight:
YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play.  The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game.  There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas.  Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM.

Can an 05 player play on an 04 team - YES.
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team - NO!
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team that is playing in an 05 division - YES, BUT the appearance isn't fair. Your team is registered as an 06 -therefore your players should be of that age group.

I hope I have put all of the curiousity to rest...............see you on the pitch!
Why is the appearance unfair? It would only be unfair if the team was playing in the 06 age group with an 05 on the roster.
I would assume it has something to do with the game report as well as the gotsoccer account setup as a U8 team.  If they change the name to an 05 team and change game report and gotsoccer to U9 then it would be a none issue I would guess
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