Texas/California Clubs --ECNL

Just a couple points I thought should be tossed out here since there isnt a whole lot happening in the 95 world and this thread caught my eye. The National League just finished its 3rd season so its history is still very much in the formative stage and obviously has just a bit more history than the newly formed Elite Clubs National League. I think one league over the other will come to be viewed as "THE" league over the next few years. IMHO the way things are trending at this point in time I would have to say the ECNL appears to have the edge based on the sheer number of quality teams that are participating in the league. Just by the fact that the National League isnt the only game in town any longer should provide another very good avenue for highly competitive girls soccer to be played in this country and all of us with kids involved in this sport should welcome this opportunity. Now as far as the "best" girls clubs in the country goes Yuk has his right to an opinion as do we all but if we were to base the "best" as clubs with the highest number of National Champions then that title may belong to teams other than those mentioned previously.
GIRLS UNDER 19-ROSS STEWART CUP
1980 The Sting, N-TX
1981 D'feeters Green, N-TX
1982 The Sting, N-TX
1983 Saratoga Spirits, CA-N
1984 Braddock Road Blue Bells, VA
1985 The Sting, N-TX
1986 Massapequa Falcons, E-NY
1987 The Sting, N-TX
1988 The Sting, N-TX
1989 Livonia Hawks, MI
1990 Springfield Spirit, VA
1991 J.B. Marine S.C., MO
1992 Texas Longhorns, N-TX
1993 Hammer F.C., OH South
1994 Greater Boston Bolts, MA
1995 Town N' Country Heather, FL
1996 North Huntington Beach FC 77, CA-S
1997 Ridgefield Yankee United Nova, CT
1998 Shamrocks, CA-S
1999 Cardinal Premier, OH S
2000 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2001 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2002 San Diego Surf White, CA-S
2003 Peachtree City Lazers, GA
2004 Pleasanton Rage, CA-N
2005 Stars of Massachusets, MA
2006 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2007 Carmel United Cyclones, IN
2008 Force Football Club, MI
2009 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
GIRLS UNDER 18-FRANK KELLY CUP
1994 Fountain Valley Spirit, CA-S
1995 Raleigh Spartans, NC
1996 FC Royals, WA
1997 Sting '79, N-TX
1998 Central Valley Mercury, CA-N
1999 Northport/Cowharbor Piranha, E-NY
2000 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2001 Michigan Hawks, MI
2002 Colorado Girls Soccer Academy, Colo.
2003 Dallas Texans Red '85, N-TX
2004 Michigan Hawks, MI
2005 Laguna Hills Eclipse, CA-S
2006 Dallas Texans Red 88 North, N-TX
2007 Bloomfield Force, MI
2008 Colorado Rush, CO
2009 FC Bucks Vipers, E-PA
GIRLS UNDER 17-LAURA MOYNIHAN CUP
1991 Michigan Hawks, MI
1992 Sparta, IL
1993 Connecticut Omni, CT
1994 DeAnza Magic, CA-N
1995 Central Valley Express, CA-N
1996 FC Royals, WA
1997 Central Valley Mercury, CA-N
1998 Colorado Rush, CO
1999 Colorado Rush, CO
2000 San Diego Surf, CA-S
2001 Bethesda Fury, MD
2002 Pleasanton Rage, CA-N
2003 Sereno '86 Golden Eagles, AZ
2004 So Cal United, CA-S
2005 Eclipse Select, IL
2006 Eclipse Select, IL
2007 Eagles SC, CA-S
2008 Dallas Texans 91 Red, N-TX
2009 Eclipse Select 91-92, IL
GIRLS UNDER 16-US YOUTH SOCCER CUP (Formerly
PATRICIA L. MASOTTO CUP)
1985 Black Watch Heather, FL
1986 Mission Viejo Soccerettes, CA-S
1987 Sachem Tomahawks, E-NY
1988 Springfield Spirit, VA
1989 Fairfax Police Youth Express, VA
1990 Willingboro Strikers, NJ
1991 Mission Viejo Herricanes, CA-S
1992 Burnsville Giants, MN
1993 J.B. Marine, MO
1994 '78 Roadrunners, CA-N
1995 Dallas Sting, N-TX
1996 Central Valley Mercury, CA-N
1997 Northport/Cow Harbor Piranha, E-NY
1998 Weston Wild Thing, CT
1999 Windsor World Class, CT
2000 South California Blues, CA-S
2001 GSA '85 Phoenix Red, GA
2002 West Valley Samba, CA-S
2003 San Diego Surf, CA-S
2004 Eclipse Select, IL
2005 Slammers SC, CA-S
2006 Real Colorado National, CO
2007 McLean Freedom, VA
2008 Dallas Texans Red 92, N-TX
2009 De Anza Force, CA-N
GIRLS UNDER 15-KRISTINE LILLY CUP
2001 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2002 Laguna Hills Eclipse, CA-S
2003 PDA Wildcats, NJ
2004 Mustang Blast, CA-N
2005 St. Louis Soccer Club, MO
2006 Eclipse Select, IL
2007 So Cal Blues, CA-S
2008 Dallas Texans 93 Red Dallas, N-TX
2009 San Diego Surf, CA-S
GIRLS UNDER 14-ELMER EHLERS
2001 KC Dynamos, KS
2002 Slammers FC, CA-S
2003 Slammers FC, CA-S
2004 Eagles, CA-S
2005 So Cal Blues, CA-S
2006 ISC Strikers, CA-S
2007 Sting Dallas Royal, N-TX
2008 San Juan Spirits, CA-N
2009 Mustang Blast, CA-N
I didnt count em or anything just copied and pasted what was listed as past National Champs and quite a few are playing ECNL.

Gunners wrote:

socrocks wrote:Of course you do, Mama still needs a ride home in the morning.
For a newlywed, you're very obedient and understanding. (wonder how long it will take before this gets pulled?)

Now, where were we? Ah yes, ECNL.

How about some input from the Solar - Solar Red folks on their ECNL situation? I've heard whichever team finishes higher in LH will get the ECNL spot. Also heard that it may be a merge, of sorts. What's the word?

First I've heard of this...it would make things interesting. With Solar Blue probably being promoted, I would 'assume' it would open the door for Solar Gold to fill the spot of any Solar team that doesn't make?

Wow Gunners! You really threw a curve ball in here now!!! We need some Solar input. Where are those Solar supporters?

I'll go with Soccer America's ratings.

yuklite wrote:I'll go with Soccer America's ratings.

Are you taling about the same Soccer America rankings where 29 of the 40 top clubs are now in ECNL? 7 in the top 10 alone.
What happens when the Texans no longer play those 29 clubs ranked by Soccer America next year?

Need to clarify. Guru, it was me that made the comment about the Solar - Solar Red merge (not Gunners). I was not referring to a full merger of the teams (as in eliminating one of them). I was referring to a comment that I heard that for purpuses of ECNL they may be taking kids from each of the teams to form a team....rather than it be an either/or situation with Solar and Solar Red.

Yuk...you did not answer my question (from above):

"Yuk, I'm also a little confused about your comments. I thought entry to National League was based on an individual team's credentials....the objective being to put the best 8 teams in the country, for each age group, into National League. But you suggested the Texans name alone, is enough to get their teams in. So which is it? Club reputation or quality of team?"

socrocks wrote:Need to clarify. Guru, it was me that made the comment about the Solar - Solar Red merge (not Gunners). I was not referring to a full merger of the teams (as in eliminating one of them). I was referring to a comment that I heard that for purpuses of ECNL they may be taking kids from each of the teams to form a team....rather than it be an either/or situation with Solar and Solar Red.

I realize the eyes are about the 4th thing to go at your age but I was referring to Gunners comment about Solar Blue and Solar Gold being thrown into the mix.
Its alright buddy, we can medicate you for your issues.

96Guru wrote:

socrocks wrote:Need to clarify. Guru, it was me that made the comment about the Solar - Solar Red merge (not Gunners). I was not referring to a full merger of the teams (as in eliminating one of them). I was referring to a comment that I heard that for purpuses of ECNL they may be taking kids from each of the teams to form a team....rather than it be an either/or situation with Solar and Solar Red.

I realize the eyes are about the 4th thing to go at your age but I was referring to Gunners comment about Solar Blue and Solar Gold being thrown into the mix.
Its alright buddy, we can medicate you for your issues.

In your case, it's the brain I'm worried about.

Solar Gold wouldn't be up for promotion to replace a team unless one of the teams above them went away. My suggesting a merge was only for ECNL, not to suggest a full merge would take place (between Solar/SR) eliminating one of the teams and thus creating an opening for a replacement team. I was not suggesting there will be an opening. My initial post was not very clear, so I'm thinking Gunners misunderstood my intent with reference to "merge."

Guru, don't try to embarass me on here...I have the power to delete your posts if you get out of hand!

I haven't a clue but spoke with a 95G Solar parent. They think they were selected by Solar because they finished tops amoung the Solar teams in league play and were put in the B bracket by ECNL. Seems to be some cloudiness as to how teams are picked for ECNL A and B brackets but I'm guessing that has something to do with the newness of the league. Should be interesting how Solar handles the 96 teams this coming year as it relates to ECNL. The 95 parent told me that they thought that FC had actually combined teams to make their ECNL team for this year and brought up some of their 96 players that were of age. Just my .02 worth.

I know you can only have one team per age group per club. That can be a problem in clubs like Solar or Lonestars where they have a couple that could represent the club well.

It became problematic also with the Lonestar 95 girls teams. The 95 White team edged out the 95 Red team (head to head tiebreaker) for the last spot in Premier next Fall, but the 95 Red will still be their representative for the ECNL next Fall.

Since you can carry around 24 for ECNL I think, some of the better 95 White players will guest with them.

socrocks wrote:Reading those rules, along with what you posted earlier. It appears that each year is a great big ole "subject to change."

Seems like you're right.

I believe National League has raised the number of teams to 16. This leads me to believe that they will have to add teams outside of the Premier League group by way of the Committee.

[quote="Gunners"][quote="socrocks"]Reading those rules, along with what you posted earlier. It appears that each year is a great big ole "subject to change."[/quote]

Seems like you're right.

I believe National League has raised the number of teams to 16. This leads me to believe that they will have to add teams outside of the Premier League group by way of the Committee.[/quote]
does this open the way for the texans to buy their way in?

solambaexan wrote:

Gunners wrote:

socrocks wrote:Reading those rules, along with what you posted earlier. It appears that each year is a great big ole "subject to change."

Seems like you're right.

I believe National League has raised the number of teams to 16. This leads me to believe that they will have to add teams outside of the Premier League group by way of the Committee.

does this open the way for the texans to buy their way in?

You're right, their consideration (especially now NL is 16 teams) hasn't been earned at all.

socrocks wrote:Need to clarify. Guru, it was me that made the comment about the Solar - Solar Red merge (not Gunners). I was not referring to a full merger of the teams (as in eliminating one of them). I was referring to a comment that I heard that for purpuses of ECNL they may be taking kids from each of the teams to form a team....rather than it be an either/or situation with Solar and Solar Red.

This is an unclear area for our whole team. I would assume the same for Solar Dallas. There has been little said, only a few months ago. We were told when they knew we would know. Possible scenario is a try out of sorts and players could be selected from both teams, or will they pick the team that finishes higher in LH. Also, who will the coach be if the teams were mixed to form the ECNL team? I don't see a dissolving of either team fully, as both teams would still play in LH.

ontheball wrote:

socrocks wrote:Need to clarify. Guru, it was me that made the comment about the Solar - Solar Red merge (not Gunners). I was not referring to a full merger of the teams (as in eliminating one of them). I was referring to a comment that I heard that for purpuses of ECNL they may be taking kids from each of the teams to form a team....rather than it be an either/or situation with Solar and Solar Red.

This is an unclear area for our whole team. I would assume the same for Solar Dallas. There has been little said, only a few months ago. We were told when they knew we would know. Possible scenario is a try out of sorts and players could be selected from both teams, or will they pick the team that finishes higher in LH. Also, who will the coach be if the teams were mixed to form the ECNL team? I don't see a dissolving of either team fully, as both teams would still play in LH.

I feel for both of you guys. Solar and SR. While other teams are getting player profiles, ECNL reservations, PL and everything else ready, y'all will be struggling with this problem.
I am not trying to be funny but I know how much work goes into all of the travel arrangements for teams and everything else. I have been doing it for 4 years now.

Plus, if you do one combined team, what happens if one of the ECNL tournaments falls during a league game? Would that cause a huge problem? I think it could only happen in the Fall but still a major issue to think about.

Its funny because SR and Solar seem to be run like two separate clubs.

Probably the best solution would just be to go with the highest place finisher in LH. Just my opinion but man that what avoid a lot of conflict and turmoil.

96Guru wrote:

ontheball wrote:

socrocks wrote:Need to clarify. Guru, it was me that made the comment about the Solar - Solar Red merge (not Gunners). I was not referring to a full merger of the teams (as in eliminating one of them). I was referring to a comment that I heard that for purpuses of ECNL they may be taking kids from each of the teams to form a team....rather than it be an either/or situation with Solar and Solar Red.

This is an unclear area for our whole team. I would assume the same for Solar Dallas. There has been little said, only a few months ago. We were told when they knew we would know. Possible scenario is a try out of sorts and players could be selected from both teams, or will they pick the team that finishes higher in LH. Also, who will the coach be if the teams were mixed to form the ECNL team? I don't see a dissolving of either team fully, as both teams would still play in LH.

I feel for both of you guys. Solar and SR. While other teams are getting player profiles, ECNL reservations, PL and everything else ready, y'all will be struggling with this problem.
I am not trying to be funny but I know how much work goes into all of the travel arrangements for teams and everything else. I have been doing it for 4 years now.

Plus, if you do one combined team, what happens if one of the ECNL tournaments falls during a league game? Would that cause a huge problem? I think it could only happen in the Fall but still a major issue to think about.

Its funny because SR and Solar seem to be run like two separate clubs.

Probably the best solution would just be to go with the highest place finisher in LH. Just my opinion but man that what avoid a lot of conflict and turmoil.

Finding out sooner versus later would help some with the fear of the unknown. Personally, I would like to know from a money perspective, since we aren't talking pennies here. I may have to pimp out my man to someone. I am sure that both teams want the opportunity and that will be a possibly difficult situation for the club. I am not sure what would create more issues picking only one team, or combining the two. Once again, for our team since we have a significant number of freshman I can see how this may impact those players more than the younger ones we have. ECNL would allow those players to be seen at top venues.