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Post by canaryman on 25/09/14, 02:13 pm

Anyone want to take a stab at the DIII games this week?

ETUFC v LP St John  1-1 Tie
Sting West v TX Spirit Red   4-1 Sting West
Lady Aztecs v SRFC   2-1 SRFC
D'Feeters White v GSSC Thunder Blue 2-2 Tie
Andromeda v DT White  3-0 Andromeda

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Post by soccernovice04 on 25/09/14, 02:38 pm

I'll play....

ETUFC v LP St John  1-2 LP St John
Sting West v TX Spirit Red   3-1 Sting West
Lady Aztecs v SRFC   1-3 SRFC
D'Feeters White v GSSC Thunder Blue  2-3 GSSC
Andromeda v DT White  3-0 Andromeda

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Post by Mandalorian on 25/09/14, 05:16 pm

Me too....

ETUFC v LP St John 2-1 ETUFC
Sting West v TX Spirit Red 4-0 Sting West
Lady Aztecs v SRFC 2-2 SRFC
D'Feeters White v GSSC Thunder Blue 3-2 Defeet
Andromeda v DT White 3-0 Andromeda
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Post by El Padrino on 26/09/14, 08:55 am

ETUFC v LP St John 2-0 LP St. John
Sting West v TX Spirit Red 4-0 Sting West
Lady Aztecs v SRFC 2-1 SRFC
D'Feeters White v GSSC Thunder Blue 2-1 Defeet
Andromeda v DT White 4-0 Andromeda

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Post by SFFL5 on 26/09/14, 09:30 am

ETUFC v LP St John 2-0 LP St. John
Sting West v TX Spirit Red 4-0 Sting West
Lady Aztecs v SRFC 2-0 SRFC
D'Feeters White v GSSC Thunder Blue 2-1 D'feeters
Andromeda v DT White 4-0 Andromeda

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Post by go69 on 26/09/14, 12:50 pm

El Padrino wrote:ETUFC v LP St John 2-0 LP St. John
Sting West v TX Spirit Red 4-0 Sting West
Lady Aztecs v SRFC 2-1 SRFC
D'Feeters White v GSSC Thunder Blue 12-0 Gssc
Andromeda v DT White [b]4-0 Andromeda
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Post by GinkoBiloba11 on 26/09/14, 12:59 pm

ETUFC (1) v LP St John (2) Cool
Sting West (3) v TX Spirit Red (1) cheers
Lady Aztecs (1) v SRFC (0) bounce
D'Feeters White (2) v GSSC Thunder Blue (1)Very Happy
Andromeda (3) v DT White (1) Mad
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Post by loventxsoccer on 30/09/14, 09:00 pm

Tx spirit Red (2) Sting West (1)

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Post by SD69 on 30/09/14, 09:14 pm

loventxsoccer wrote:Tx spirit Red (2) Sting West (1)

Heard a little CPP with this one.
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Post by Mandalorian on 30/09/14, 09:23 pm

CPP for sure. No way Red beats West straight up.
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Post by canaryman on 30/09/14, 09:38 pm

Sting Manager would know...CPP must be posted on game card...if not and Red still used players...well then Spirit has a problem

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Post by Guest on 30/09/14, 10:52 pm

canaryman wrote:Sting Manager would know...CPP must be posted on game card...if not and Red still used players...well then Spirit has a problem

Sting Manager AND TX Spirit manager would know, and yes, CPP was used... it's interesting to think just a player or two could swing a game from a huge loss to an unprobable win... Got a great look at why this Sting team is so dangerous though - one player that can run like the wind, I'm talking a whole new gear of speed. A ball over the top and no one will catch this kid... they might have won had she not missed the goal both times she shot at it... So CPP or not, she missed the goal meaning they probably could have won had she actually gotten the ball down a few inches on both shots... I wouldn't blame this loss on the CPP, just a couple errant shots on goal.

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Post by Guest on 30/09/14, 10:59 pm

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canaryman wrote:Sting Manager would know...CPP must be posted on game card...if not and Red still used players...well then Spirit has a problem

Sting Manager AND TX Spirit manager would know, and yes, CPP was used...  it's interesting to think just a player or two could swing a game from a huge loss to an unprobable win...  Got a great look at why this Sting team is so dangerous though - one player that can run like the wind, I'm talking a whole new gear of speed.  A ball over the top and no one will catch this kid...  they might have won had she not missed the goal both times she shot at it...  So CPP or not, she missed the goal meaning they probably could have won had she actually gotten the ball down a few inches on both shots...  I wouldn't blame this loss on the CPP, just a couple errant shots on goal.

Oh, and nothing wrong with using CPP, it's been sanctioned by LHGCL and is completely legal and "approved" - so I don't see the problem... We had a short roster and had to do something and that's exactly what the CPP is for...

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Post by Mandalorian on 01/10/14, 06:46 am

Hard to say CPP had nothing to do with it when both goals were a result of CPP. The point is, games like this will forever be debated, because those players aren't "really" on the roster. I guess we will see how Red plays the season.
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Post by soccerisfun on 01/10/14, 07:42 am

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canaryman wrote:Sting Manager would know...CPP must be posted on game card...if not and Red still used players...well then Spirit has a problem

Sting Manager AND TX Spirit manager would know, and yes, CPP was used...  it's interesting to think just a player or two could swing a game from a huge loss to an unprobable win...  Got a great look at why this Sting team is so dangerous though - one player that can run like the wind, I'm talking a whole new gear of speed.  A ball over the top and no one will catch this kid...  they might have won had she not missed the goal both times she shot at it...  So CPP or not, she missed the goal meaning they probably could have won had she actually gotten the ball down a few inches on both shots...  I wouldn't blame this loss on the CPP, just a couple errant shots on goal.

Oh, and nothing wrong with using CPP, it's been sanctioned by LHGCL and is completely legal and "approved" - so I don't see the problem...  We had a short roster and had to do something and that's exactly what the CPP is for...

So, how many players did you have?  8? 9?  (you are allowed to play with this many)

Without the CPP, how many girls did you have?  How "short" were you that you "HAD" to do something.

Is your team unable to play with 14? 13? for a league game?  Only 1 CPP player? that doesn't support the argument that you could not have played without her.

So be honest (though I am betting we will never get an answer) - how many did you have to play, and how many CPP?

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Post by canaryman on 01/10/14, 07:49 am

SoccerShocker wrote:
canaryman wrote:Sting Manager would know...CPP must be posted on game card...if not and Red still used players...well then Spirit has a problem

Sting Manager AND TX Spirit manager would know, and yes, CPP was used...  it's interesting to think just a player or two could swing a game from a huge loss to an unprobable win...  Got a great look at why this Sting team is so dangerous though - one player that can run like the wind, I'm talking a whole new gear of speed.  A ball over the top and no one will catch this kid...  they might have won had she not missed the goal both times she shot at it...  So CPP or not, she missed the goal meaning they probably could have won had she actually gotten the ball down a few inches on both shots...  I wouldn't blame this loss on the CPP, just a couple errant shots on goal.

Will make for a big game on Saturday against SRFC...SRFC beat Aztecs 4-2 last night, which would put SRFC and Sting alone at the top of the standings. SRFC has some speed and firepower too...should be a good game

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Post by Grande Pescado on 01/10/14, 08:08 am

It was a good game last night and our girls look forward to a rematch in the spring. With or without the 3 c.p. players. A keeper, defender, and a striker. Pretty sure that game would not have been competitive without those 3 girls. But its ok, our girls will be better off for playing that game.

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Post by bringit on 01/10/14, 08:17 am

CPP was used to max - 3 girls, had 5 subs on the bench. One played 100% (goalie), others about 80%. So, 2 rostered girls were either on the sidelines or at home. CPP forward had goal and assist. She was a game changer.

But, Sting did miss some shots. It happens. Good competition, just a stinky way to lose in league.

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Post by Paulie Walnuts on 01/10/14, 08:18 am

Sure sounds like a bunch of whinning going on in here over a u11 soccer game.  I think it is funny that a club that is perceived to be a small club used the CPP on one of the biggest clubs and they beat the big club.  Good for Spirit.  However, I never want to hear a 04 Spirit parent whine about the CPP going forward because it is unfair that only the big clubs can take advantage of the rule.  Personally I think the rule is garbage and you should play with the roster you have, but I do not make the rules.
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Post by soccerchicken on 01/10/14, 08:43 am

bringit wrote:CPP was used to max - 3 girls, had 5 subs on the bench.  One played 100% (goalie), others about 80%.  So, 2 rostered girls were either on the sidelines or at home. CPP forward had goal and assist. She was a game changer.

But, Sting did miss some shots.  It happens.  Good competition, just a stinky way to lose in league.


So - 2 girls were out, but they "needed" 3 CPP in order to field a team to play   only sub for the missing girls win.

Looks like Texas Spirit doesn't play until Sunday this weekend, while Texas Spirit Red plays on Saturday.  Wonder if we will see at least 1 CPP since Red has an open roster position.

But lets be honest here - Texas Spirit Red was in 7th in D3.  They need all the points they can get in order to avoid requalification next summer.
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Post by Guest on 01/10/14, 08:56 am

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bringit wrote:CPP was used to max - 3 girls, had 5 subs on the bench.  One played 100% (goalie), others about 80%.  So, 2 rostered girls were either on the sidelines or at home. CPP forward had goal and assist. She was a game changer.

But, Sting did miss some shots.  It happens.  Good competition, just a stinky way to lose in league.


So - 2 girls were out, but they "needed" 3 CPP in order to field a team to play   only sub for the missing girls win.

Looks like Texas Spirit doesn't play until Sunday this weekend, while Texas Spirit Red plays on Saturday.  Wonder if we will see at least 1 CPP since Red has an open roster position.

But lets be honest here - Texas Spirit Red was in 7th in D3.  They need all the points they can get in order to avoid requalification next summer.

Yes, there will be two Red players on the TXS 04 roster on Sunday I'm sure... and agreed, Red needs all the points they can get as does any team that doesn't want to requalify next summer. There's a lot of soccer left before next summer rolls around and a lot of opportunities for teams to use the CPP - just sucks that we seem to have been the first team to use it and will now be ridiculed until the next team uses it.

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Post by soccernovice04 on 01/10/14, 09:00 am

Paulie I don't see anyone "whining". I just see facts being presented. 1) Spirit Red was not short players. 2) They did not use CPP to "develop" the D1 players who weren't getting enough playing time on their respective team or to backfill players that were out. 3) Spirit simply used CPP to help their D3 team win a regular season game.
Personally I don't like CPP being used to play "down" but I think it's great to play players "up" because playing up is for development of the player and playing down is used just to get a win. All I can say is we ALL better get used to CPP being used/abused going forward!

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Post by Guest on 01/10/14, 09:01 am

Paulie Walnuts wrote:Sure sounds like a bunch of whinning going on in here over a u11 soccer game.  I think it is funny that a club that is perceived to be a small club used the CPP on one of the biggest clubs and they beat the big club.  Good for Spirit.  However, I never want to hear a 04 Spirit parent whine about the CPP going forward because it is unfair that only the big clubs can take advantage of the rule.  Personally I think the rule is garbage and you should play with the roster you have, but I do not make the rules.

Well, since we were the first to apparently use the CPP rule, I doubt anyone from TXSR will complain or whine about the Big Club affects of CPP. Interestingly enough, I have no real opinion on whether it's good or bad since this is my first DD to come through the land of Select soccer so I have nothing to compare it to. However, if it went away tomorrow, not sure anyone would notice or care since our team was the only one to use it so far.

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Post by soccerchicken on 01/10/14, 09:20 am

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bringit wrote:CPP was used to max - 3 girls, had 5 subs on the bench.  One played 100% (goalie), others about 80%.  So, 2 rostered girls were either on the sidelines or at home. CPP forward had goal and assist. She was a game changer.

But, Sting did miss some shots.  It happens.  Good competition, just a stinky way to lose in league.


So - 2 girls were out, but they "needed" 3 CPP in order to field a team to play   only sub for the missing girls win.

Looks like Texas Spirit doesn't play until Sunday this weekend, while Texas Spirit Red plays on Saturday.  Wonder if we will see at least 1 CPP since Red has an open roster position.

But lets be honest here - Texas Spirit Red was in 7th in D3.  They need all the points they can get in order to avoid requalification next summer.

Yes, there will be two Red players on the TXS 04 roster on Sunday I'm sure...  and agreed, Red needs all the points they can get as does any team that doesn't want to requalify next summer.  There's a lot of soccer left before next summer rolls around and a lot of opportunities for teams to use the CPP - just sucks that we seem to have been the first team to use it and will now be ridiculed until the next team uses it.


I guess it would be different, though, if it went away yesterday.  You would have had to play with 13 players (oh no!) - and the win would be in doubt.

And my comment was - since Red has 15 on its roster, would they be playing a CPP to fill the 16th slot because they "need" to (as you stated above).

Your "need to do something" was a need to win - that's all.  If it was a "need" to replace players, you would have used 2 CPP to replace those who were out.  Doesn't the win feel a little hollow?  After all, your team didn't win - girls from your team, aided by 3 girls who had a notable impact did.

As discussed in other threads, this use of CPP to pass players down generally only benefits a team in getting wins, and a more deserving team (say ETUFC) who may end up behind Red at the end of the season, was impacted as well.

But congrats - Red got the points - did they deserve them?  If they can't get enough points to place in the top 6 in D3 without 3 CPP, do they deserve to skip requalifying?
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Post by soccerjack on 01/10/14, 09:41 am

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Paulie Walnuts wrote:Sure sounds like a bunch of whinning going on in here over a u11 soccer game.  I think it is funny that a club that is perceived to be a small club used the CPP on one of the biggest clubs and they beat the big club.  Good for Spirit.  However, I never want to hear a 04 Spirit parent whine about the CPP going forward because it is unfair that only the big clubs can take advantage of the rule.  Personally I think the rule is garbage and you should play with the roster you have, but I do not make the rules.

Well, since we were the first to apparently use the CPP rule, I doubt anyone from TXSR will complain or whine about the Big Club affects of CPP.  Interestingly enough, I have no real opinion on whether it's good or bad since this is my first DD to come through the land of Select soccer so I have nothing to compare it to.   However, if it went away tomorrow, not sure anyone would notice or care since our team was the only one to use it so far.


I think it's how a club uses CPP, doesn't matter if they are big or small.  The perception is this was done mainly to get a win.  The reality of it, is when done this way, if that was the case, it's condoned cheating.  Whats the point of having different divisions?  How do the rostered kids feel when they know the win came because of this?  I don't have a kid on either team, but thought it was cool that Sting west was on a roll, Kind of bs their record took a blemish because of this.

Should be fun to watch Feet Black play TXS in D-3 this season.  affraid

I think JK might have more integrity though and play with the team he signed.
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