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Post by Guest on 04/10/14, 10:04 pm

It was me...I'm going to present that quote from you too when I get to my desktop...
I'm enjoying this braums tho....

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Post by go99 on 04/10/14, 10:25 pm

lol well enjoy the braums. It's a neighborhood hotspot
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Post by Guest on 04/10/14, 10:37 pm

Lmao... Wink

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Post by smellsliketeamspirit on 05/10/14, 12:53 pm

Can Someone Confirm OR Deny the Rumor that LW Basically Had Rase Snatched from Under Him, via Complaints from a Handful of DISGRUNTLED Parents???...

If So, this is Perhaps THE SORRIEST Act I've Ever Seen, from Sports Parents...1 Loss & 1 Tie WARRANTS a Coaching Change, All of a Sudden???...So the 7,000 CONSECUTIVE Wins LW Guided Rase to, Means NADA, Huh???...

Like Janet Jackson Said, "What have you Done for Me LATELY" Laughing ...

You Definitely Learn More about your Team After a LOSS, than a Win...Ditto for Team Parents, it Seems...

Never Met LW, but his Level of Coaching is OBVIOUS, Having Watched his Squads Over the Years...Dude DOESN'T Deserve This...No Doubt he Feels Betrayed...Everybody Wants their DD's Team to Win 'em All, but You Simply CANNOT Panic or Revolt, After Failing to Win a COUPLE Games...

If True, this is Both Funny AND Sad...

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Post by Bow-Chicka-Wow Wow on 05/10/14, 01:42 pm

Everything I hear sounds exactly like you describe teamspirit!! What a shame. If this is the case, I hope Premire kicks Elites butt!! And BOTH don't spank us!! Lol

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Post by go99 on 05/10/14, 01:59 pm

What you heard is not true, but thanks for stating it like fact. As far as I know coaching change had nothing to do with win or losses
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Post by smellsliketeamspirit on 05/10/14, 02:04 pm

go99 wrote:What you heard is not true, but thanks for stating it like fact.  As far as I know coaching change had nothing to do with win or losses
Kindly RE-Read the Very 1st Sentence of My Post, then Spare Me your Verbal Feces, Dude...

I DIDN'T State Anything as Fact...

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Post by go99 on 05/10/14, 02:20 pm

I read the first sentence and also the verbal assault against the team and parents (if it was true even though you had no idea).

It's not true and you heard wrong. Elite now has the current DOC and LW was at todays game with the girls coaching, helping thru the transition
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Post by smellsliketeamspirit on 05/10/14, 02:37 pm

go99 wrote:I read the first sentence and also the verbal assault against the team and parents (if it was true even though you had no idea).

It's not true and you heard wrong.  Elite now has the current DOC and LW was at todays game with the girls coaching, helping thru the transition
Clear Case of SELECTIVE Reading, My Friend...

Sooooo, Are you @ Liberty to Divulge what REALLY Happened, or Are You More Adept @ PMS'ing Over QUESTIONS & COMMENTS, from Those of Us who Don't???...

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Post by go99 on 05/10/14, 02:47 pm

I am at liberty to divulge whatever I want too as far as I know but I won't because nobody really cares. What they are looking for is an opportunity to blast the team, parents, coach, club or all four if possible.
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Post by smellsliketeamspirit on 05/10/14, 03:02 pm

go99 wrote:I am at liberty to divulge whatever I want too as far as I know but I won't because nobody really cares.  What they are looking for is an opportunity to blast the team, parents, coach, club or all four if possible.  
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Post by go99 on 05/10/14, 03:16 pm

oh quite a few people I'm sure.
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Post by Peak_Performance_Dad on 05/10/14, 03:25 pm

go99 wrote:oh quite a few people I'm sure.

I can't speak for others, but I can say that I (an outsider) was surprised by the change. From my vantage point, it appeared LW had developed the strongest 04 girls team in the area (and one of the top nationally I would imagine). Why the change? Other than not dominating all 04 teams (i.e. a loss and tie over the past month), I can't imagine why LP would make the change unless parents (possibly some, not all) where upset over the loss and tie. What else would be the motivation to make the move after signing and early in the Lake Highlands season??

Again, I am a huge fan of Elite (at least how LW had developed them) - no intent to attack or defame the team. Just a very odd move, from a timing perspective, unless there were upset parents. Any insights would be helpful.

Best of luck to Elite the rest of the way. I am looking forward to the Premier vs Elite game. Given the recent changes, it could be epic! Smile
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Post by go99 on 05/10/14, 03:33 pm

elite girls were there cheering on the premier girls today. Are ther upset parents? I am sure there are every team has some. But as far as I know nobody was upset about the tie or the loss. And as easily as you could blame the coach for those results you could also blame the girls, parents or god forbid the efforts of the other teams. So the idea that wins and losses steered the direction of the team can be put to rest because it isn't true.
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Post by Guest on 05/10/14, 03:35 pm

It doesn't make sense but I doubt very seriously anyone is going to get any explanation other than the "official" club line. I wouldn't blame them either cause the rumor making the rounds is not pretty. Quite frankly it's down right ugly and if true completely underminds the clubs integrity, principle and reputation. However, you know what they say about rumors.

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Post by go99 on 05/10/14, 03:42 pm

haven't heard the rumors so the one making the rounds is probably not by people involved.
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Post by Guest on 05/10/14, 03:46 pm

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion so fast.

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Post by Peak_Performance_Dad on 05/10/14, 03:46 pm

go99 wrote:elite girls were there cheering on the premier girls today.  Are ther upset parents? I am sure there are every team has some.  But as far as I know nobody was upset about the tie or the loss.  And as easily as you could blame the coach for those results you could also blame the girls, parents or god forbid the efforts of the other teams.  So the idea that wins and losses steered the direction of the team can be put to rest because it isn't true.

Fair enough - still doesn't answer the question: Why the change?

Most clubs will make the changes directly before or after signing (e.g. they have their Academy coaches and their Select coaches, etc). The transition doesn't make sense - might have made more sense back in June or early July. As a 'financially funding' parent: if my DD's club did this, especially with her current coach, I would be livid unless they gave me a really, really solid reason. If parents and players were happy with the coach and a club did this at this time in the season, I imagine there would be some really upset parents and girls.

Again, I wish the best for Elite - just really surprised (as an outsider) at the move.
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Post by soccer4fun on 05/10/14, 03:55 pm

from what I hear there simply is no conspiracy or smoking gun. It is a great team, playing for a great club, with a great coach , who felt it was time for the change and I think everyone is fine with it. Lets all try to frame it as 10/11 year olds playing soccer and doing really well at it and hopefully having loads of fun.
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Post by Peak_Performance_Dad on 05/10/14, 04:13 pm

soccer4fun wrote:from what I hear there simply is no conspiracy or smoking gun. It is a great team, playing for a great club, with a great coach , who felt it was time for the change and I think everyone is fine with it. Lets all try to frame it as 10/11 year olds playing soccer and doing really well at it and hopefully having loads of fun.

I guess the question everyone had is 'who felt it was time for a change'?  Since LW is still coaching his other teams, it appears he is still in good standing with the club.  

Anyway, I am not going to beat a dead horse - my guess is there is a lot more to this story than 'it is a great team for a great club, with a great coach, who felt it was time for a change'.  Unfortunately I have been around politics enough to recognize centerline messaging.  

Again best of luck to Elite and their new coach.  Moreover, best of luck to LW, especially if he got pushed out or this was done against his wishes.  I have to admit that I will now probably be pulling for Premier and LW as well when they play Elite.
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Post by smellsliketeamspirit on 05/10/14, 04:22 pm

soccer4fun wrote:from what I hear there simply is no conspiracy or smoking gun. It is a great team, playing for a great club, with a great coach , who felt it was time for the change and I think everyone is fine with it. Lets all try to frame it as 10/11 year olds playing soccer and doing really well at it and hopefully having loads of fun.
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Post by go99 on 05/10/14, 04:54 pm

He was not pushed out, forced out or anything else. And it doesn't matter if you are upset with the change or not. It is what it is and its a done deal. The team has been lucky to get a great coach in Flynn so you can go with it or you can pout and sulk and let it ruin your season. My dd has only had lw up to this point since I think the age of 6. Now she has a new one and is enjoying the new chapter in her soccer
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Post by smellsliketeamspirit on 05/10/14, 04:58 pm

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Post by soccerpapa2 on 05/10/14, 05:10 pm

I really don't see what the big deal is. I would say there was conflict of interest for the same coach to be coaching 2 teams in same league. The director of coaching took over Elite, probably so he can further develop those players/team.
Isn't LW a high school coach as well? I would imagine his time would be split once HS season begins and would not be able to have time for all of his teams.

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Post by slrsoccer on 05/10/14, 05:59 pm

There is most definitely more to this story and it will eventually come out.

The explanation given, although feasible, makes absolutely no sense.

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Post by Cmon_Man on 05/10/14, 06:11 pm

Lol

What's worse Crazy parents forcing him out or parents so nuts he wants out.
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