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Post by TatonkaBurger on 08/10/14, 08:08 am

the7wolf wrote:Here's an hypothesis:

DFW FC has two of the top teams in the age group coached by the same coach, MX.

In a couple of years time when ECNL becomes relevant as a carrot, with DFW FC not having an ECNL spot, they realize MX could be lured to an ECNL club and offered the opportunity to coach that age group. Having both of the top teams in that age group, DFW FC realize they need MX more than MX needs DFW FC. What to do... What to do... How about relieve MX of the top team and hand it to a solid company man who represents DFW FC worldwide and will never go anywhere. Use the excuse that a few parents weren't necessarily happy with results and had asked for releases to make the change, get the PR squad to say it was always in the works and voila, the perfect heist.

This is purely a theoretical example and any resemblance to actual persons or real events is purely coincidental.

Is that you Keyser Söze?

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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 08:09 am

go99 wrote:give the whole DTS thing a rest.  DTS had plenty of chances to seperate from the crowd and they failed too.  Undefeated against top five?  But you have ties and losses mixed in.  You can't just ignore your poor performances against lower ranked team. Add too it losing your top striker and it just adds more questions.  In the end it doesn't matter DTS will be ranked high enough to get an easy path through qualifying and get a chance to prove everyone wrong.  But still keep in mind you can just show up on the weekend against top 5 opposition you have to show up every weekend.  DTS should definitely be below spirit, and probably Defeeters and also scott.  But either way just let it go.  If your ranking was that important you should have played king tut.  It would have been nice to see one team come in and convincingly crush the others.
Bringing up old ish...
But I told you I would come through...provide substance for my perspective.
The tone, the conviction, the delivery, the presentation of that post gave me every reason to KNOW you were on some other ish...
That was before Elite lost a game, had a close game, or even a tie...you show a bit more humility these days...
But that rant just stemmed from a non affiliate giving props and you just flew off the handle like you had the authority on who separates and ascends. 
No rebuttal needed...it is what it was.

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Post by Lefty on 08/10/14, 08:39 am

the7wolf wrote:Here's an hypothesis:

DFW FC has two of the top teams in the age group coached by the same coach, MX.

In a couple of years time when ECNL becomes relevant as a carrot, with DFW FC not having an ECNL spot, they realize MX could be lured to an ECNL club and offered the opportunity to coach that age group. Having both of the top teams in that age group, DFW FC realize they need MX more than MX needs DFW FC. What to do... What to do... How about relieve MX of the top team and hand it to a solid company man who represents DFW FC worldwide and will never go anywhere. Use the excuse that a few parents weren't necessarily happy with results and had asked for releases to make the change, get the PR squad to say it was always in the works and voila, the perfect heist.

This is purely a theoretical example and any resemblance to actual persons or real events is purely coincidental.

Yours is one logical BUSINESS decision that could explain it.

Another is leveraging him to his highest and best use for the club.

He has a demonstrated ability to build top level pre-select teams, hold them together, and take them select. Tough to continue to do that time wise with his current load. Just frees up time for him to work to his strength again.

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Post by WisdomTeeth on 08/10/14, 08:48 am

the7wolf wrote:Here's an hypothesis:

DFW FC has two of the top teams in the age group coached by the same coach, MX.

In a couple of years time when ECNL becomes relevant as a carrot, with DFW FC not having an ECNL spot, they realize MX could be lured to an ECNL club and offered the opportunity to coach that age group. Having both of the top teams in that age group, DFW FC realize they need MX more than MX needs DFW FC. What to do... What to do... How about relieve MX of the top team and hand it to a solid company man who represents DFW FC worldwide and will never go anywhere. Use the excuse that a few parents weren't necessarily happy with results and had asked for releases to make the change, get the PR squad to say it was always in the works and voila, the perfect heist.

This is purely a theoretical example and any resemblance to actual persons or real events is purely coincidental.
It's a plausible hypothesis however I've heard from more than one source that this was 100% LW's decision. The general consensus also seems to be that the RAISE group is notoriously miserable and never satisfied. If you join the dots you could see why coaches would eventually say enough is enough.
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Post by go99 on 08/10/14, 09:22 am

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go99 wrote:give the whole DTS thing a rest.  DTS had plenty of chances to seperate from the crowd and they failed too.  Undefeated against top five?  But you have ties and losses mixed in.  You can't just ignore your poor performances against lower ranked team. Add too it losing your top striker and it just adds more questions.  In the end it doesn't matter DTS will be ranked high enough to get an easy path through qualifying and get a chance to prove everyone wrong.  But still keep in mind you can't just show up on the weekend against top 5 opposition you have to show up every weekend.  DTS should definitely be below spirit, and probably Defeeters and also scott.  But either way just let it go.  If your ranking was that important you should have played king tut.  It would have been nice to see one team come in and convincingly crush the others.
Bringing up old ish...
But I told you I would come through...provide substance for my perspective.
The tone, the conviction, the delivery, the presentation of that post gave me every reason to KNOW you were on some other ish...
That was before Elite lost a game, had a close game, or even a tie...you show a bit more humility these days...
But that rant just stemmed from a non affiliate giving props and you just flew off the handle like you had the authority on who separates and ascends. 
No rebuttal needed...it is what it was.

LMAO thats the best you can get? In response to why DTS was not put in the top with those other teams in the rankings I give a reasoned well thought out response that was my opinion. And no point did I bash DTS in there I gave a reason why they weren't ranked highly. Out of all the post you come back with NOTHING as I expected. Again my perspective hasn't really changed all that much. So far tx spirit is doing worse than I expected and with DTS racking up another tie already is about were I expected. DTS will finish top 5 but not in the top 2 you have to put together more games than a tie against Elite (see the red) So keep looking, no DTS bashing in there. And for the record I still post with no humility and a strong opinion. Now if you guys manage to finish top 2 I will be the first to say I was wrong and congratulate you.
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Post by go99 on 08/10/14, 09:29 am

smellsliketeamspirit wrote:The Bottom Line is, You Have to Take the Good w/the Bad...You REAP What You SOW & it AIN'T Never No Fun when the Rabbit Got the Gun...

When You Literally Dedicate THOUSANDS of Messageboard Posts Towards Informing the Masses of How GREAT your DD's Team Is, Creating Nicknames for Opponents, OPENLY Dismissing their Chances of Beating your DD's Squad, Criticizing Opposing Coaches &/or MOCKING Other Organizational Coaching Changes, You Should EXPECT a Bit of Backlash, If/When the Shoe is Ever On the Other Foot...

The Problem Here is the WORDING...

Correct me If I'm Wrong, but I Don't Recall ANYBODY "Attacking the Team", in this Instance???...I Also Don't Recall ANYBODY Attacking LW, Either...Rase Is STILL the Best '04 Squad in My Opinion & they HAD the Best '04 Coach, Until Recently...

Sooooo, When the Consensus Best Team & the Consensus Best Coach Part Ways, it's NATURAL to Wonder Why, Right???...Doesn't Make you a Hater or Anything of the Sort...Given that NOBODY is Speaking Negatively about LW or the Players Themselves, WHO Does that Leave???...

If Any Sect is Being 'Attacked' Here, it's the Rase PARENTS...This Topic Consists of Posters, ie., Parents THEMSELVES, "Attacking" Other Parents...Nope, No One, Outside of Rase is "Entitled" to an Answer, but it's Only NATURAL to Wonder WHY What Happened Happened, Isn't It???...

Rase Talk has Been a PROMINENT Fixture on this Board for YEARS Now, Thanks to Some Dedicated Team Parents of Theirs, but All of a Sudden, when Things aren't Quite Going Rase's Way, it's "Attacking the Team" or "Fueling" Some Ulterior Motive, to WONDER Why???...

& NO ONE Should Think Rase's 1st Loss & Tie Since the JFK Administration has ANYTHING @ All to Do w/LW's Departure???...

Yeah, OK...

Cool

I have no problem with the taking the good with the bad. I find the speculation and rumors for "sources" entertaining. The problem is with the pretense that it comes from some desire to "know" or a wish to be informed. It doesn't and people don't actually care about a coaching change or the reasons why. What they want is anyting to confirm whatever it is they already want to believe about the team, parents, coach, or club. So unless your source comes from LW or someone from the team you have no idea what actually happened and neither does your source. So by all means continue to speculate
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Post by soccerchicken on 08/10/14, 09:47 am

GrandTXSoccer wrote:If you have questions about coaches or clubs this is probably the last place a consumer should look Smile If you want to stir the pot and gossip this is definitely the place to come. My only thing was I didn't see why so many folks seemed to be pissed off that they don't know the story as to why he left. Heck I'd love to know but my level of curiosity doesn't rise to the level that I think I'm owed something.

Soccerchuck you bring up a ton of great questions but not one of them would be answered by posting on this board, or at least not at a level that I think anyone should take as gospel but ideally as the middle school gossip that most stuff is on msg boards.

In this particular situation, logic would indicate that there's probably something wrong with that particular team since it doesn't sound like LW is leaving either one of his other teams. However, if you truly are a consumer looking at joining one of his teams OR any team, the first place to start would probably be to email the coach and ask to attend one of his practices and then just ask him why he left and should it be something you should be worried about if you joined his team. Then while at practice talk to the parents on the team. That's what a smart consumer would do, what they would not do is come on this board looking for advice.


I think go rightly pointed out exactly why your plan doesn't work.
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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 09:51 am

go99 wrote:
Used2bKix wrote:
go99 wrote:give the whole DTS thing a rest.  DTS had plenty of chances to seperate from the crowd and they failed too.  Undefeated against top five?  But you have ties and losses mixed in.  You can't just ignore your poor performances against lower ranked team. Add too it losing your top striker and it just adds more questions.  In the end it doesn't matter DTS will be ranked high enough to get an easy path through qualifying and get a chance to prove everyone wrong.  But still keep in mind you can't just show up on the weekend against top 5 opposition you have to show up every weekend.  DTS should definitely be below spirit, and probably Defeeters and also scott.  But either way just let it go.  If your ranking was that important you should have played king tut.  It would have been nice to see one team come in and convincingly crush the others.
Bringing up old ish...
But I told you I would come through...provide substance for my perspective.
The tone, the conviction, the delivery, the presentation of that post gave me every reason to KNOW you were on some other ish...
That was before Elite lost a game, had a close game, or even a tie...you show a bit more humility these days...
But that rant just stemmed from a non affiliate giving props and you just flew off the handle like you had the authority on who separates and ascends. 
No rebuttal needed...it is what it was.

LMAO thats the best you can get?  In response to why DTS was not put in the top with those other teams in the rankings I give a reasoned well thought out response that was my opinion.  And no point did I bash DTS in there I gave a reason why they weren't ranked highly.  Out of all the post you come back with NOTHING as I expected.  Again my perspective hasn't really changed all that much.  So far tx spirit is doing worse than I expected and with DTS racking up another tie already is about were I expected.  DTS will finish top 5 but not in the top 2 you have to put together more games than a tie against Elite (see the red) So keep looking, no DTS bashing in there.  And for the record I still post with no humility and a strong opinion.  Now if you guys manage to finish top 2 I will be the first to say I was wrong and congratulate you.
No...you missed the whole point...
I never said you "bashed" 
That was some one else...
I said you don't set the standards but you speak as though you do. Or type rather.
Separate from the pack....a phrase u often used when you were off in the boys locker room....Ironically look at who is in the emmer effin pack...not ahead...but in. 
and no you don't post with humility but you post from humiliation...That's why u feel the need to justify all the time Mr.Hanky. That's why others associate Elite parents opinions with your biased views and opinionated comments. I bet "they" even wish you'd stay off this forum. You are only a few components away from being that complete @$&hole you aspire to be...one thing missing for sure is confidence...you're skeptical and insecure. Again...no rebuttal needed...it's apparant.

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Post by GrandTXSoccer on 08/10/14, 09:54 am

That makes pretty good sense wolf with the one exception of it really doesn't matter who the coach is, eventually that team will leave LP to pursue ECNL. So unless PB decides to buy a club that has access to ECNL in the next year then you can probably kiss the 04's goodbye no matter the coach. Heck the only chance to keep them at LP would be to have LW keep coaching them.

Wisdomteeth and I must know the same folks because that's the same story I've been hearing.

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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 09:58 am

And as far as your expectations are concerned...bet ya didn't expect to have a loss, or a tie this early into select did you? Or that amount in the GA column? So basically your expectations don't mean ish!! Just gibberish as you take that long journey off of your high horse...

Not speaking to the elite parents or team in general...
Just Ole'99.

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Post by GrandTXSoccer on 08/10/14, 10:03 am

And I think this thread points out why you can't really go to this board as a resource as to what is going on either. At least if you go to the source you can at least get a feel for if they are telling you the truth or not.

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Post by Lefty on 08/10/14, 10:11 am

GrandTXSoccer wrote:That makes pretty good sense wolf with the one exception of it really doesn't matter who the coach is, eventually that team will leave LP to pursue ECNL. So unless PB decides to buy a club that has access to ECNL in the next year then you can probably kiss the 04's goodbye no matter the coach. Heck the only chance to keep them at LP would be to have LW keep coaching them.

Wisdomteeth and I must know the same folks because that's the same story I've been hearing.

Usually easier for a club to 'buy' a handful of key players, a team, or a coach/team rather than another club, particularly one with an ECNL 'asset'.

The first 3 happen every year.

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Post by the7wolf on 08/10/14, 10:37 am

GrandTXSoccer wrote:That makes pretty good sense wolf with the one exception of it really doesn't matter who the coach is, eventually that team will leave LP to pursue ECNL. So unless PB decides to buy a club that has access to ECNL in the next year then you can probably kiss the 04's goodbye no matter the coach. Heck the only chance to keep them at LP would be to have LW keep coaching them.

Wisdomteeth and I must know the same folks because that's the same story I've been hearing.

Oh, I agree with you totally. No in-club ECNL option by U13/14 and those kids are gone regardless who they bring in to coach them. At least LW had demonstrated success, everything here on out is a lottery. He knew ntx soccer inside and out, they don't have that wisdom at the helm now.

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 08/10/14, 10:52 am

Where do you people get this stuff..  Rolling Eyes

People, let me cut to the chase. There is two ways we can do this:

#1
I can ask you to join my team.  We will train hard, learn/teach new skills, tactics and improve overall soccer IQ's.  
It will be slightly awkward at first, the fact that we met on txsoccer.net but once you realize I’m a classic stand up guy, you’ll soon relax in my company.  
From then on things will go smoothly, frequently winning two, three, four or more games..  
We will love and laugh and generally enjoying the fruits of hard work.
Eventually, I pluck up the courage and state we are the best team in academy for our age group.  
We move forward into select, after paying 3K, the road gets bumpy….  
Not long after we max out roster, things goes down hill, you let yourself go… A loss, a tie.. Ooohhh Nooo!!
Im working long hard hours, paying bills to keep up with this demand we call SELECT… then love leaves the relationship.
I start an affair, looking at other teams … In my stupidity and lying, its leads to you finding out…..
Divorce!!!! We part ways and we agree I can see the kids on the weekend during LH games.
The poor children then grow up with Coach/Parents that hate each other..

THAT’S NOT fair to the Kids!!!! .. which leads me to the next option ..

#2  We just assign a new coach!!  It’s a win win for everyone … Think of the kids…… Think of the kids.
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Post by soccerjack on 08/10/14, 11:12 am

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Where do you people get this stuff..  Rolling Eyes

People, let me cut to the chase. There is two ways we can do this:

#1
I can ask you to join my team.  We will train hard, learn/teach new skills, tactics and improve overall soccer IQ's.  
It will be slightly awkward at first, the fact that we met on txsoccer.net but once you realize I’m a classic stand up guy, you’ll soon relax in my company.  
From then on things will go smoothly, frequently winning two, three, four or more games..  
We will love and laugh and generally enjoying the fruits of hard work.
Eventually, I pluck up the courage and state we are the best team in academy for our age group.  
We move forward into select, after paying 3K, the road gets bumpy….  
Not long after we max out roster, things goes down hill, you let yourself go… A loss, a tie.. Ooohhh Nooo!!
Im working long hard hours, paying bills to keep up with this demand we call SELECT… then love leaves the relationship.
I start an affair, looking at other teams … In my stupidity and lying, its leads to you finding out…..
Divorce!!!! We part ways and we agree I can see the kids on the weekend during LH games.
The poor children then grow up with Coach/Parents that hate each other..

THAT’S NOT fair to the Kids!!!! .. which leads me to the next option ..

#2  We just assign a new coach!!  It’s a win win for everyone … Think of the kids…… Think of the kids.



Exactly.

Can we hold hands at practice this week?
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Post by soccerjack on 08/10/14, 11:14 am

There is an awful lot of negativity, towards this team. The kids don't deserve it.....Go probably does, but the adults are making the big deal here.


Good luck to the kids and new coach.
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Post by soccerchicken on 08/10/14, 11:18 am

Who woulda thunk it, soccerjack as the voice of reason.
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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 11:25 am

soccerjack wrote:There is an awful lot of negativity, towards this team.  The kids don't deserve it.....Go probably does, but the adults are making the big deal here.


Good luck to the kids and new coach.
Unanimously....

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Post by soccerjack on 08/10/14, 11:35 am

soccer chuck wrote:Who woulda thunk it, soccerjack as the voice of reason.


I'm getting soft. The board just isn't what it used to be with 10's dad gone and go99 not spouting off as much.

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Post by go69 on 08/10/14, 11:40 am

Used2bKix wrote:And as far as your expectations are concerned...bet ya didn't expect to have a loss, or a tie this early into select did you? Or that amount in the GA column? So basically your expectations don't mean ish!! Just gibberish as you take that long journey off of your high horse...

Not speaking to the elite parents or team in general...
Just Ole'99.

Just so you know. The loss and tie happened when my dd was out sick.
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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 11:45 am

go69 wrote:
Used2bKix wrote:And as far as your expectations are concerned...bet ya didn't expect to have a loss, or a tie this early into select did you? Or that amount in the GA column? So basically your expectations don't mean ish!! Just gibberish as you take that long journey off of your high horse...

Not speaking to the elite parents or team in general...
Just Ole'99.

Just so you know.  The loss and tie happened when my dd was out sick.
Lmao...
The "Bizzaro" Go99 sounds identical.

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Post by slrsoccer on 08/10/14, 11:56 am

I really haven't seen any attacks on the team...as a matter of fact the comments regarding RASE's loss and tie were te exact same when people thought LFS was on top and suffered a loss, or DTS, or TX Spirit, or DT Scott.

To think that people are looking for a way to attack RASE is just not the case for the vast majority.

Again, I realize that no one is owed an explanation but it can't come as a surprise that people are curious. When something as this magnitude happens to te most talked about team, coach and parents in the history of NTX '04 soccer, it's just a natural thing to be curious.

So please get off the "attack the team" line of thought...nothing that has been said about RASE is any different than what has been said about any of the other top teams.

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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 12:08 pm

slrsoccer wrote:I really haven't seen any attacks on the team...as a matter of fact the comments regarding RASE's loss and tie were te exact same when people thought LFS was on top and suffered a loss, or DTS, or TX Spirit, or DT Scott.  

To think that people are looking for a way to attack RASE is just not the case for the majority.

Again, I realize that no one is owed an explanation but it can't come as a surprise that people are curious.  When something as this magnitude happens to te most talked about team, coach and parents in the history of NTX '04 soccer, it's just a natural thing to be curious.

So please get off the "attack the team" line of thought...nothing that has been said about RASE is any different than what has been said about any of the other top teams.
...and just when you thought this topic was about to die.


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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 12:15 pm

soccerjack wrote:
soccer chuck wrote:Who woulda thunk it, soccerjack as the voice of reason.


I'm getting soft.  The board just isn't what it used to be with 10's dad gone and go99 not spouting off as much.

Why can't it be like the old days when Kix and Soccer Po Boy were always throwing jabs. Speaking of that, were has ole' pooh boy been lately?

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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 12:29 pm

He passed through the other day Sheets...

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Post by Guest on 08/10/14, 12:38 pm

And unless you have another kid or start frolicking around the 05's and younger games...this ride will really be over when only the top 10 teams are playing each other twice...that'll cut the parent population in half.
I think...

I wonder if we did an actual "poster affiliation" check in...how many would actually have an dog in all of these fights and how many just instigate?

So after this post...when you comment, your post must be preceded with the following introduction:
"This is Used2bkix aka KixR4Adults2 aka Just4Kix representing DT Rosales and I would like to express..."
And continue with the body of your post. If not, myself as a moderator will not honor your post and your entry will be deleted.
 It'll be like NBC football player intro..."Yoos Tubi Kiks...Tha U..."

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