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Post by SickofStupidity on 06/02/15, 08:25 am

I wouldn't think # of teams / games would be a limiting factor - they have 3 1/2 days available for the tournament.

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Post by db10 on 06/02/15, 09:31 am

Rookie wrote:Most DIII teams are not crazy about playing a tournament against the same teams they face twice in League play. Also, requests were made (by DIII teams) to play at the highest level.

I'm having a hard time believing that the Andro coach asked to face teams such as Scott and Spirit simply to advance.

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Post by soccerchicken on 06/02/15, 09:47 am

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Post by KnKsDad on 06/02/15, 03:08 pm

What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

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Post by SickofStupidity on 06/02/15, 03:13 pm

What is the basis in any tournament?

You are kidding, right?

Doesn't every tournament with a sufficient number of entrants have to use some basis to determine divisions?

How were the brackets populated? Clearly not randomly. Teams were ranked and assigned to brackets. Presumably, the same system could be used to split divisions.




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Post by Full Kit Wankers Beware on 06/02/15, 03:29 pm

KnKsDad wrote:What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

Just an observation but it looks like TSN will take a loss, get an easy win and another win that is not quite as easy but advance none the less, so why wouldn't you mind the format...except for the loss you will take in the quarters vs Liverpool Premier.

Some of the lower seeded teams may want to advance as well, albeit in a weaker more balanced division.
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Post by soccerisfun on 06/02/15, 03:31 pm

KnKsDad wrote:What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

Says the guy whose team is in the only bracket with 2 DIII teams.

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Post by Mandalorian on 06/02/15, 04:03 pm

Right... What's the point in DI, II and III divisions for league play???
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Post by SickofStupidity on 06/02/15, 04:06 pm

Mandalorian wrote:Right...  What's the point in DI, II and III divisions for league play???  

ummm . . . what would be the basis for determining the divisions?!?

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Post by Mandalorian on 06/02/15, 04:16 pm

No divisions. Just like these tourneys. In fact, let's just do away with age groups as well.
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Post by KnKsDad on 06/02/15, 04:31 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:What is the basis in any tournament?

You are kidding, right?

Doesn't every tournament with a sufficient number of entrants have to use some basis to determine divisions?

How were the brackets populated?  Clearly not randomly.  Teams were ranked and assigned to brackets.  Presumably, the same system could be used to split divisions.

Damn. The point I was trying to make is what you are referencing. If there was a Gold/Silver type split there would still be teams that some would feel should be Gold vs Silver and vice-versa, so there would still be disgruntled folks. As long as the brackets have an "even" distribution of teams based on relative strength (and I'm not saying they do - I haven't studied them like some of y'all), then I see no problem with format.

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Post by Mandalorian on 06/02/15, 04:42 pm

KnKs- You know the only way it will ever be split correctly, is if it benefits the respective parents DD.
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Post by KnKsDad on 06/02/15, 04:43 pm

soccerisfun wrote:
KnKsDad wrote:What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

Says the guy whose team is in the only bracket with 2 DIII teams.

You obviously don't know me otherwise you wouldn't be making that inference about me/team. I hadn't studied the brackets like perhaps you have, so didn't really know the breakdown to that degree, but I/we wouldn't have a problem with switching places with any other team. Our team has not/will not ever duck competition. We have played everybody. Now if you skerd, I understand. Or if your motivation is just to get to quarters and get that extra game in, I understand trying to get more bang for your buck.

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Post by KnKsDad on 06/02/15, 04:58 pm

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KnKsDad wrote:What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

Just an observation but it looks like TSN will take a loss, get an easy win and another win that is not quite as easy but advance none the less, so why wouldn't you mind the format...except for the loss you will take in the quarters vs Liverpool Premier.

Some of the lower seeded teams may want to advance as well, albeit in a weaker more balanced division.

If that's they way it shakes out, so be it, but we're not gonna run and hide. Now, isn't that the way it should play out though if you're a "middle of the pack" team if brackets are evenly distributed?

I recall back after QT there was fuss about D3 teams being good enough for D1. Here's a chance to make their case and I believe a couple of them probably will, possibly at our expense, but that's why you play the games, right? But, as I said in previous post, if they moved us to another bracket to "even" things out I have no problem with that.

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Post by SickofStupidity on 06/02/15, 06:42 pm

KnKsDad wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:What is the basis in any tournament?

You are kidding, right?

Doesn't every tournament with a sufficient number of entrants have to use some basis to determine divisions?

How were the brackets populated?  Clearly not randomly.  Teams were ranked and assigned to brackets.  Presumably, the same system could be used to split divisions.

Damn. The point I was trying to make is what you are referencing. If there was a Gold/Silver type split there would still be teams that some would feel should be Gold vs Silver and vice-versa, so there would still be disgruntled folks. As long as the brackets have an "even" distribution of teams based on relative strength (and I'm not saying they do - I haven't studied them like some of y'all), then I see no problem with format.

Isn't that the issue with every tournament?

But then you had to throw in your "run and hide" and "ducking competition" and "skerd" (not really sure that is even a word).  Just sounds a bit arrogant to me.

Maybe, just maybe, some DIII teams were looking at how the tournament was sold.  Multiple divisions if there are sufficient teams - which there are.  And so maybe, based upon the competition, they had not expected to be playing 3 D1 teams.

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Post by Coach on 06/02/15, 09:16 pm

KnKsDad wrote:
soccerisfun wrote:
KnKsDad wrote:What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

Says the guy whose team is in the only bracket with 2 DIII teams.

You obviously don't know me otherwise you wouldn't be making that inference about me/team. I hadn't studied the brackets like perhaps you have, so didn't really know the breakdown to that degree, but I/we wouldn't have a problem with switching places with any other team. Our team has not/will not ever duck competition. We have played everybody. Now if you skerd, I understand. Or if your motivation is just to get to quarters and get that extra game in, I understand trying to get more bang for your buck.

I find it really hard to believe that someone with 641 posts in a soccer forum does not know the breakdown of the teams that are playing in a tournament.
You about broke my BS meter.
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Post by PurplePonyPower on 06/02/15, 10:07 pm

05's tie D'Feeters?

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Post by Koba on 06/02/15, 11:02 pm

PurplePonyPower wrote:05's tie D'Feeters?

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Post by ILuvMeSomeSoccer on 07/02/15, 10:32 am

Shocking indeed
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Post by FCsoccer1 on 09/02/15, 10:04 am

I hope this Spring RoundUp isn't as bad and person updating the website.
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Post by FCsoccer1 on 09/02/15, 11:16 am

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=42913&Gender=Girls&Age=11
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Post by KnKsDad on 09/02/15, 02:25 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:
KnKsDad wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:What is the basis in any tournament?

You are kidding, right?

Doesn't every tournament with a sufficient number of entrants have to use some basis to determine divisions?

How were the brackets populated?  Clearly not randomly.  Teams were ranked and assigned to brackets.  Presumably, the same system could be used to split divisions.

Damn. The point I was trying to make is what you are referencing. If there was a Gold/Silver type split there would still be teams that some would feel should be Gold vs Silver and vice-versa, so there would still be disgruntled folks. As long as the brackets have an "even" distribution of teams based on relative strength (and I'm not saying they do - I haven't studied them like some of y'all), then I see no problem with format.

Isn't that the issue with every tournament?

But then you had to throw in your "run and hide" and "ducking competition" and "skerd" (not really sure that is even a word).  Just sounds a bit arrogant to me.

Maybe, just maybe, some DIII teams were looking at how the tournament was sold.  Multiple divisions if there are sufficient teams - which there are.  And so maybe, based upon the competition, they had not expected to be playing 3 D1 teams.

Yes, that is the issue with every tournament. That is my point. Remember you came at me with your "you are kidding, right?" comment which came across as a bit condescending to me. Nevertheless, I was being very specific in my responses and did not use those phrases/word in my response to you. It was directed toward the poster who implied that the reason I didn't have a problem with the current set up was because our team was in an "easier" bracket.

If someone has a problem with how the tournament was "sold" I have nothing to say on that since I have no knowledge of how that was done, but could certainly understand the frustration if one thing was told and something else is being done. However I did read on here in an earlier post that D3 teams had requested to play up, but whatever...

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Post by KnKsDad on 09/02/15, 02:34 pm

Coach wrote:
KnKsDad wrote:
soccerisfun wrote:
KnKsDad wrote:What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

Says the guy whose team is in the only bracket with 2 DIII teams.

You obviously don't know me otherwise you wouldn't be making that inference about me/team. I hadn't studied the brackets like perhaps you have, so didn't really know the breakdown to that degree, but I/we wouldn't have a problem with switching places with any other team. Our team has not/will not ever duck competition. We have played everybody. Now if you skerd, I understand. Or if your motivation is just to get to quarters and get that extra game in, I understand trying to get more bang for your buck.

I find it really hard to believe that someone with 641 posts in a soccer forum does not know the breakdown of the teams that are playing in a tournament.
You about broke my BS meter.
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What do you mean Coach or are you just spoofing me? All I was saying is that I haven't studied every single bracket, comparing the relative strengths of each by looking at every single team and their LH standing, GotSoccer ranking, etc., etc., etc... Get it?

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Post by BrianWilliams on 09/02/15, 03:23 pm

KnKsDad wrote:
Coach wrote:
KnKsDad wrote:
soccerisfun wrote:
KnKsDad wrote:What would be basis for determining Gold vs Silver, etc.? With the exception of possibly just tweaking the brackets a bit to adjust for any perceived imbalances, I think the format is just fine the way it is.

Says the guy whose team is in the only bracket with 2 DIII teams.

You obviously don't know me otherwise you wouldn't be making that inference about me/team. I hadn't studied the brackets like perhaps you have, so didn't really know the breakdown to that degree, but I/we wouldn't have a problem with switching places with any other team. Our team has not/will not ever duck competition. We have played everybody. Now if you skerd, I understand. Or if your motivation is just to get to quarters and get that extra game in, I understand trying to get more bang for your buck.

I find it really hard to believe that someone with 641 posts in a soccer forum does not know the breakdown of the teams that are playing in a tournament.
You about broke my BS meter.
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What do you mean Coach or are you just spoofing me? All I was saying is that I haven't studied every single bracket, comparing the relative strengths of each by looking at every single team and their LH standing, GotSoccer ranking, etc., etc., etc... Get it?


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