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Post by Guest on 30/07/15, 08:42 am

SWGSB 52 wrote:
When looking at the roster, I don't even see these alleged players on Sanchez roster. It looks like his roster from last season.

Please know that ECNL rosters can be up to 30 players, with only the top 14-16 in that roster being primary players. The remaining players are the players that are dual rostered and the ones everyone gets excited about when they play LHGCL or any other NTSSA approved league.

It's very likely that a couple of Sanchez's players from last year were chosen to be on the Sting U14 ECNL roster in a dual-roster role. Those players could be anywhere from reserves/backups who may never step on the pitch in actual ECNL match, to players that get significant minutes in every ECNL game.

My DD's team had 2 dual-rostered players last year. One of those players only saw limited action in 1 or 2 ECNL games, 1 of those players progressed to where she was seeing significant minutes in every ECNL game, and this year, she went ECNL exclusively.

The backup player played in all of my DD's team's LHGCL games as far as I can remember, and I think the other player missed 2 of our LHGCL games due to ECNL conflicts, but played in all the rest.

There were teams in U14 D1 last year that had 5-8 players dual rostered with ECNL, and you saw significantly different players on the field/benches depending on if there were ECNL conflicts that day. I believe at least 1 team had to CPP some '02's up to to play with their D1 '01 last fall in order to have enough numbers to play one or two games.

2-3 years ago, I probably would've gotten all worked up about it and been one of those posters on here screaming about how unfair it is. However, the closer my DD gets to HS and possibly even college recruiting, I've found myself far less concerned about W/L, and more concerned about if her training/coaching/league environment is properly preparing her for HS and possibly college. Heck, bring on the ECNL players, as playing against better competition is only going to serve the best interest of my DD's development.

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Post by dadof3 on 30/07/15, 09:03 am

These teams are not in D1...Having a couple of dual rostered players that were organically on your D1 roster then progressed to ECNL is different than pulling down players to get into LH. Your dd gets the chance to play against those players because her team earned their way into D1, when we are talking about QT for D2/3, it is a different animal. The problem isn't a player who was on a team in the past and then duals into ECNL...the problem is pulling kids down so that a team qualifies...it thus denies another (possibly organically better team) the chance to compete that your kid now has.
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Post by Adrenalinetx on 30/07/15, 10:12 am

I don't see how parent support this at all. Me personally would hate and if the original team came make why go in and get killed. I just don't get it how parents are ok with that! Same issue last year with d3 team getting d1 player to help out. The purpose of the player pass is for developing not to help them get a better spot in there current Divison . its different if your a d1 or d2 team and you borrow a player from d3 or a lower division like Plano d1. That's developing a player and helping that player get better.

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Post by Sidelined on 30/07/15, 11:09 am

While I recognize that sometimes teams may try to bend the rules to their benefit, I just felt compelled to set the record straight that contrary to the 'rumor' noted above, Sting Sanchez has no dual-rostered ECNL players and no players that are on the team on a temporary basis.  I know rumors sometimes get legs, but these are just young ladies trying to qualify like everyone else.

Good luck to all the teams this weekend!

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Post by Just_Curious??? on 30/07/15, 11:14 am

Looks like the brackets have changed again. LP Scott has to be excited about the move. Good luck to all!

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Post by Bierluva on 30/07/15, 11:39 am

So much for the "to make certain that teams from the same Round 1 Brackets do not play each other in Round 2" provision. LP Scott should be happy with this recent change.
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Post by Crazy4soccer on 30/07/15, 11:47 am

Ha! All that changing around and back to original format. Made it way harder then it has to be. They could switch Mutiny and FCD East and be done with it and no rematches and brackets would be pretty evened out. Or just leave it as it is because it's becoming way more confusing then it has to be. Good luck teams.

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Post by Adrenalinetx on 30/07/15, 12:09 pm

Sting Sanchez is known for doing thing under table. So watch out I don't trust that guy at all!

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Post by Bierluva on 30/07/15, 12:17 pm

Crazy4soccer wrote:Ha!  All that changing around and back to original format.  Made it way harder then it has to be.  They could switch Mutiny and FCD East and be done with it and no rematches and brackets would be pretty evened out.  Or just leave it as it is because it's becoming way more confusing then it has to be.  Good luck teams.
This is entirely true... switch those two and it is all good. No rematches. Pretty even and fair.
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Post by Adrenalinetx on 30/07/15, 12:20 pm

Lake highland won't do that but yes they should to make it fair. Specially to andro west and mutiny whom had the highest point total in the first weekend.

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Post by SantaFe on 30/07/15, 03:07 pm

switch those two and it is all good.
that would put two Stings and two FCD teams in same bracket- they try to avoid stacking clubs.

Where they have it now is far better than what it was yesterday, and gets Scott slotted according to the position they earned.

Specially to andro west and mutiny whom had the highest point total

right or wrong, that is not a criteria they use for 2nd Round brackets- the seedings and placement of seeds are determined before Round 1. So if Mutiny was in the 5th seed bracket, and they win their bracket with a lot of points or not so many points, they are still put into the 5th Seed Round Two position.   Based on that, the brackets now have
X: 1,4,6,8
Y: 2,3,5,7

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Post by Bierluva on 30/07/15, 03:21 pm

Still ignoring the: "to make certain that teams from the same Round 1 Brackets do not play each other in Round 2" provision. Only two teams needed to be switched to make it happen. Oh well... it is what it is. Good luck ladies. Play hard this weekend!
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Post by SantaFe on 30/07/15, 03:23 pm

agreed on all counts, Beer, especially the "Good luck ladies"!


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Post by SickofStupidity on 30/07/15, 03:33 pm

SantaFe wrote:
switch those two and it is all good.
that would put two Stings and two FCD teams in same bracket- they try to avoid stacking clubs.

Where they have it now is far better than what it was yesterday, and gets Scott slotted according to the position they earned.

Specially to andro west and mutiny whom had the highest point total

right or wrong, that is not a criteria they use for 2nd Round brackets- the seedings and placement of seeds are determined before Round 1.  So if Mutiny was in the 5th seed bracket, and they win their bracket with a lot of points or not so many points, they are still put into the 5th Seed Round Two position.   Based on that, the brackets now have
X: 1,4,6,8
Y: 2,3,5,7

Why was that a factor in the 05 group, but not here?

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Post by SantaFe on 30/07/15, 04:58 pm

My guess is that's a completely different animal as you have 45 teams, they're only 10 yrs old, and u don't have a lot to go on.

If they evaluated performance after round 1, that would actually be understandable. In my view..,

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Post by SantaFe on 30/07/15, 05:01 pm

It's a little easier to seed 20 teams that have been playing for several years in many cases.

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Post by SoccerDad2002 on 30/07/15, 10:19 pm

It is odd for LH to mention "to make certain that teams from the same Round 1 Brackets do not play each other in Round 2" when at least in the 02 Girls you have four teams playing each other again.

Bracket A has FCD East playing LP Scott again (FCD 1-0) and Bracket B having Mutiny playing LP Dalglish again (Mutiny 3-0). You would think they would have kept it or switched something else. Too late now, brackets will stay the same.

So with that said, below are who I would take:

Bracket A:
LP Keegan
FCD East

Bracket B:
Andromeda West
Mutiny

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Post by sideline fan on 31/07/15, 11:13 am

Bottom line...there are no easy games this weekend whichever bracket you are in. I wish all good clean games this weekend.

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Post by SantaFe on 31/07/15, 12:08 pm

Well said. Sunday afternoon there will be 4 new teams in LHGCL that deserve to be there.

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Post by SoccerDad2002 on 31/07/15, 12:43 pm

Of course unless two teams manage to beat the other two on SAT... then SAT night there will be 4 new teams in LH

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Post by SantaFe on 31/07/15, 01:04 pm

That would be 4 teams going 2-0 Saturday if you want to get picky! Cool

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Post by sideline fan on 31/07/15, 01:31 pm

Well Andro and Mutiny don't play each other until Sunday so could happen in their bracket if you believe they are the 2 strongest teams which they most likely are. HOWEVER anything can happen.

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Post by SantaFe on 31/07/15, 01:34 pm

More likely that surprise will rule the day!

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Post by SWGSB 52 on 31/07/15, 01:39 pm

Need I remind the 7 teams not named LP Keegan how last year went. LP Keegan was 2-0 heading into Sunday and did not qualify.

Round 2 is a lot tougher than Round 1.
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Post by SantaFe on 31/07/15, 01:42 pm

I think 2 wild cards advanced last year too.

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Post by SoccerDad2002 on 31/07/15, 02:23 pm

Obviously anything can happen on a pitch, but my guess is in Bracket B: Andromeda West & Mutiny defeat both FCD Black and LP Dalglish --- so West won't play Mutiny nor will Black play Dalglish.

I also feel that once again LP Keegan will be 2-0 with at least 19 points going into SUN's game. If FCD East wins both games as well, then LP Scott and Sting won't be playing SUN nor will Keegan have to play East.

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