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Post by BigEnchilada 18/09/15, 10:15 am

Let's hear some recommendations / suggestions to balance.

Now that school is back in session - I think more than 1 team is having this issue.
players trying out for school activities and making the team - Cheer, volleyball, basketball.
School coach says its mandatory to practice - so they miss 1 day - or 2 days week of practice due to school practice and or school games. The amount of homework and projects already adds to overload.

This affects select soccer practice, and the team, but not game time - there always there for that. This is a result of parents over committing their player.

Note: Player contract stated
Are players permitted to play other sports? Yes – but should not interfere with Competitive soccer

Options -
move practice days?
Add more practice days?
Have them refer to the fact sheet?
limit play time?
approve 1 practice per week to miss for all?
implement fines for missing

Pros -
athletically gifted players prosper
give players and out to vent
gives players an option to try other sports

Cons -
players start saying " this player misses alot, but still plays?
parents start saying " hope its not favortism"
parents say" i keep track of all players attendance, so its not fair"
Creates DRAMA ....
creates more school workload to balance for the player

We try to keep an honor system for missing which excused absences are sick, injured, homework, church.
its easy for parents to use too much homework as an excuse, or player is sick.

Thoughts?
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Post by Lefty 18/09/15, 11:13 am

BIGENCHILADA wrote:Let's hear some recommendations / suggestions to balance.

Now that school is back in session - I think more than 1 team is having this issue.
players trying out for  school activities and making the team -  Cheer, volleyball, basketball.
School coach says its mandatory to practice - so they miss 1 day - or 2 days week of practice due to school practice and or school games. The amount of homework and projects already adds to overload.

This affects select soccer practice, and the team, but not game time - there always there for that. This is a result of parents over committing their player.

Note: Player contract stated
Are players permitted to play other sports? Yes – but should not interfere with Competitive soccer

Options -
move practice days?
Add more practice days?
Have them refer to the fact sheet?
limit play time?
approve 1 practice per week to miss for all?
implement fines for missing

Pros -
athletically gifted players prosper
give players and out to vent
gives players an option to try other sports

Cons -
players start saying " this player misses alot, but still plays?
parents start saying " hope its not favortism"
parents say" i keep track of all players attendance, so its not fair"
Creates DRAMA ....
creates more school workload  to balance for the player

We try to keep an honor system for missing which excused absences are sick, injured, homework, church.
its easy for parents to use too much homework as an excuse, or player is sick.

Thoughts?

Don't buy the too much homework angle.  

It is a matter of planning, prioritizing activities and getting up earlier or staying up later.  Learning time management for club soccer, school activities and academics may be the most important thing our kids gained from club soccer.


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Post by Guest 18/09/15, 11:25 am

I thought these things were discussed before signing contracts. Not trying to be a smart-a

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Post by RightWingDad 18/09/15, 12:50 pm

Yep, this is the time (over next year or two) that current 03/02's begin to drop soccer....guessing maybe 10-20% of them due to other commitments/interests and the closing of the talent gap.

I love to see my dd play the beautiful game, but I always remind her...it's not what you do on the pitch that defines you as a person. I always remind her, work hard, try your best, make friends...honor your commitments, but if in the end you are not successful on the pitch...your daddy will still love you and be very proud of you.

She is a child of the King and what could be more important than that?
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Post by SickofStupidity 18/09/15, 02:19 pm

BIGENCHILADA wrote:Let's hear some recommendations / suggestions to balance.

Note: Player contract stated
Are players permitted to play other sports? Yes – but should not interfere with Competitive soccer

Options -
move practice days?  NO
Add more practice days?  NO
Have them refer to the fact sheet?  YES
limit play time?   YES
approve 1 practice per week to miss for all?   NO
implement fines for missing NO

Thoughts?

Evil or Very Mad

If you want to be treated like a rec player - go play rec.

You signed a contract and made a commitment - to yourself AND your team(mates).  Stick with it, or feel the consequences.  It's not a surprise the level of commitment that is expected - which they knew (and saw on the fact sheet) when they agreed to be a part of the TEAM.

How is it that people think that quitting on your TEAM or only showing up for half the practices only impacts their daughter?

If it becomes a problem, I would say - miss 1/2 of the weekly practice, you don't play in one half.  See if that starts to impact attendance.  If not, and the player's practice attendance is impacting their ability to contribute on the field (as in - players learning to work together), I have no problem keeping them completely out of games.

And next season - re-think how the team is selected so maybe you end up with more people on the same page.

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Post by Lefty 18/09/15, 03:18 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:
BIGENCHILADA wrote:Let's hear some recommendations / suggestions to balance.

Note: Player contract stated
Are players permitted to play other sports? Yes – but should not interfere with Competitive soccer

Options -
move practice days?  NO
Add more practice days?  NO
Have them refer to the fact sheet?  YES
limit play time?   YES
approve 1 practice per week to miss for all?   NO
implement fines for missing NO

Thoughts?

Evil or Very Mad

If you want to be treated like a rec player - go play rec.

You signed a contract and made a commitment - to yourself AND your team(mates).  Stick with it, or feel the consequences.  It's not a surprise the level of commitment that is expected - which they knew (and saw on the fact sheet) when they agreed to be a part of the TEAM.

How is it that people think that quitting on your TEAM or only showing up for half the practices only impacts their daughter?

If it becomes a problem, I would say - miss 1/2 of the weekly practice, you don't play in one half.  See if that starts to impact attendance.  If not, and the player's practice attendance is impacting their ability to contribute on the field (as in - players learning to work together), I have no problem keeping them completely out of games.

And next season - re-think how the team is selected so maybe you end up with more people on the same page.

I'm totally fine with that approach, but our experience is that most all coaches do not want to get locked into that approach. Particularly if it is likely to impact the outcome of the game.

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Post by SickofStupidity 18/09/15, 03:24 pm

Winning!  That's what it is usually about.

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Post by SoccerDad75033 18/09/15, 03:28 pm

BIGENCHILADA wrote:
Don't buy the too much homework angle.  

It is a matter of planning, prioritizing activities and getting up earlier or staying up later.  Learning time management for club soccer, school activities and academics may be the most important thing our kids gained from club soccer.

I agree - my daughter knows when practice is, and few classes have homework assigned one day and due the next.  She spends her "free" time during the weekend - while the rest of us may be watching a movie or the Cowboys - working on her homework for the week.  On practice nights, the only homework she has is work assigned one day and due the next.

She comes home from school - no playing, no tv - and gets it done.

No one has to tell her or reminder her on the weekend.

Not saying it never happens, and she has missed a couple practices or been late a few times for work that had to be done.  

Her coach has always said school work comes first.

But if it is a lack of planning or other sports . . .

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Post by CBTeamworks 18/09/15, 03:54 pm

I say let the coach handle it on a case by case basis. If the parents don't like it they can either take it up with the coach, live with the coaches decisions or find a new team next year.
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Post by Packrabbit 18/09/15, 05:14 pm

Lefty wrote:
BIGENCHILADA wrote:Let's hear some recommendations / suggestions to balance.

Now that school is back in session - I think more than 1 team is having this issue.
players trying out for  school activities and making the team -  Cheer, volleyball, basketball.
School coach says its mandatory to practice - so they miss 1 day - or 2 days week of practice due to school practice and or school games. The amount of homework and projects already adds to overload.

This affects select soccer practice, and the team, but not game time - there always there for that. This is a result of parents over committing their player.

Note: Player contract stated
Are players permitted to play other sports? Yes – but should not interfere with Competitive soccer

Options -
move practice days?
Add more practice days?
Have them refer to the fact sheet?
limit play time?
approve 1 practice per week to miss for all?
implement fines for missing

Pros -
athletically gifted players prosper
give players and out to vent
gives players an option to try other sports

Cons -
players start saying " this player misses alot, but still plays?
parents start saying " hope its not favortism"
parents say" i keep track of all players attendance, so its not fair"
Creates DRAMA ....
creates more school workload  to balance for the player

We try to keep an honor system for missing which excused absences are sick, injured, homework, church.
its easy for parents to use too much homework as an excuse, or player is sick.

Thoughts?

Don't buy the too much homework angle.  

It is a matter of planning, prioritizing activities and getting up earlier or staying up later.  Learning time management for club soccer, school activities and academics may be the most important thing our kids gained from club soccer.
cheers

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Post by Packrabbit 18/09/15, 05:17 pm

CBTeamworks wrote:I say let the coach handle it on a case by case basis. If the parents don't like it they can either take it up with the coach, live with the coaches decisions or find a new team next year.
What if the coach doesn't speak English?

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Post by Guest 18/09/15, 05:33 pm

Packrabbit wrote:
CBTeamworks wrote:I say let the coach handle it on a case by case basis. If the parents don't like it they can either take it up with the coach, live with the coaches decisions or find a new team next year.
What if the coach doesn't speak English?

He can help with their Spanish homework, thus leaving more time for practice.  It's a clear advantage over the English speaking coaches.

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Post by CBTeamworks 18/09/15, 06:42 pm

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Packrabbit wrote:
CBTeamworks wrote:I say let the coach handle it on a case by case basis. If the parents don't like it they can either take it up with the coach, live with the coaches decisions or find a new team next year.
What if the coach doesn't speak English?

He can help with their Spanish homework, thus leaving more time for practice.  It's a clear advantage over the English speaking coaches.

If you want your daughter coached by an illegal alien that's up to you. If there are illegal aliens who are reffing soccer games in our various leagues then that needs to stop. Being able to speak English should be a requirement for communication purposes but the bigger factor is that they have broken our laws and it should prevent them from passing any background checks unless they lied about their SSN. I understand that some of you don't care but why have background checks at all if they serve no purpose?

How are refs paid in the various leagues? I know in PPIL they're paid by the teams instead of the league. Why is that?
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Post by SickofStupidity 18/09/15, 06:47 pm

to avoid taxes

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Post by soccerjack 18/09/15, 06:59 pm

Wow there's a can of worms opened that has nothing to do with keeping those bad Mexican people out of this country. Pure greed and no liability is why they are paid in cash. It has nothing to do with nationality. Donald would be sad to hear someone confuse the difference between the two. You have to separate hate from profit...two entirely different things.
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Post by Looking04 18/09/15, 07:41 pm

Well, at least Romney isn't running PPL

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Post by Guest 18/09/15, 08:16 pm

Who's a good illegal alien coach?

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Post by RightWingDad 18/09/15, 08:32 pm

¿en serio?
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Post by soccerjack 18/09/15, 08:42 pm

Sho'nuff wrote:Who's a good illegal alien coach?

Probably should check out lp. Most of those guys speak bad American and seem to sneak in and out of this country at will.
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Post by TrumpCard 18/09/15, 08:50 pm

Finally my message is getting through!!!
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Post by Guest 18/09/15, 09:08 pm

I'll be at the pitch with a suitcase clock tomorrow.

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Post by soccerjack 18/09/15, 09:18 pm

Sho'nuff wrote:I'll be at the pitch with a suitcase clock tomorrow.

And you might of gotten away with that if Irving didn't stop sharia law from taking over.
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Post by TrumpCard 18/09/15, 09:27 pm

Well I'm not familiar with Sharia, but I'm sure she's a beautiful women with a lovely face.
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Post by dallas 1968 18/09/15, 09:33 pm

This is an ongoing problem for many of the girls playing both club and high school. I feel most club coaches NEVER consider their players hs commitments at all when scheduling practices. Some high school coaches do allow their girls to skip hs practice or leave early to attend club practice, should they be involved in both.

This seems to be the best solution as 'over training' can be a big issue for these young women, not to mention travel from school to club practice, often over several miles, then having to get home, eat, do homework, sleep and start it all again the next day.

We should be (but often aren't) keeping the best interests of these young players in mind. In my experience, the girls do enjoy playing for their schools with their friends and classmates. We should not lose track of this fact.

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Post by soccerjack 18/09/15, 09:42 pm

dallas 1968 wrote:This is an ongoing problem for many of the girls playing both club and high school. I feel most club coaches NEVER consider their players hs commitments at all when scheduling practices. Some high school coaches do allow their girls to skip hs practice or leave early to attend club practice, should they be involved in both.

This seems to be the best solution as 'over training' can be a big issue for these young women, not to mention travel from school to club practice, often over several miles, then having to get home, eat, do homework, sleep and start it all again the next day.

We should be (but often aren't) keeping the best interests of these young players in mind. In my experience, the girls do enjoy playing for their schools with their friends and classmates. We should not lose track of this fact.  


What does this have to do with illegal immigrants, Donald trump and sharia law? I think you're on the wrong board buddy. Take this silly soccer talk elsewhere.
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