How to Spot a Hack Coach

bwgophers wrote:
Two dorkfish on the same corn dog, now THAT's impressive!

Sho'nuff wrote:
Curious- What do you recommend?

Also, I never see the athletes themselves being cited as the reason.  Is a phenom athlete going to be as hungry to put in the work needed? Where do they find the motivation?

Sho'nuff wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:
The bigger waste to me is NTX nor u.s. soccer develops its tremendously athletic players into skill/technique players. No phenom athletes as hold up players or Ibra/Drogba style target forwards...no dominant athletes as midfielders. We turn our best athletes into nothing more than fast defenders or run in behind, speed forwards.  We can't make the Xavi's, which is understandable considering you need the system, culture and surrounding environment to produce that kind of class. But the fact we can't make any Pogbas, Yayas, Kakas or Mullers seems like we're wasting our athletic resources. I doubt even a post knee injury Abby W. would've been a FWD in NTX...not fast enough...NTX would've had her at ctr back and told her to focus on winning every defensive header.

Curious- What do you recommend?

Also, I never see the athletes themselves being cited as the reason.  Is a phenom athlete going to be as hungry to put in the work needed? Where do they find the motivation?

totalfootball wrote:http://www.magpictures.com/nowitzki/
They showed this movie on axs last night I believe, Watch this movie and maybe it will help you with some of the questions you have.  Dirk thinks 80% is will power to achieve what you want,20% is skills/ athleticism.   In his case, nba championship I believe.   The relationship he still has with his high school coach (holger) is simply amazing. There are 1000s of 6'10" , superbly athletic kids here in usa and holger had one 6'10" German blonde kid and made him into what he is. The drive has to come from within to be that good and the kid has to have someone to guide and coach.

Sho'nuff wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:
The bigger waste to me is NTX nor u.s. soccer develops its tremendously athletic players into skill/technique players. No phenom athletes as hold up players or Ibra/Drogba style target forwards...no dominant athletes as midfielders. We turn our best athletes into nothing more than fast defenders or run in behind, speed forwards.  We can't make the Xavi's, which is understandable considering you need the system, culture and surrounding environment to produce that kind of class. But the fact we can't make any Pogbas, Yayas, Kakas or Mullers seems like we're wasting our athletic resources. I doubt even a post knee injury Abby W. would've been a FWD in NTX...not fast enough...NTX would've had her at ctr back and told her to focus on winning every defensive header.

Curious- What do you recommend?

Also, I never see the athletes themselves being cited as the reason.  Is a phenom athlete going to be as hungry to put in the work needed? Where do they find the motivation?

Lefty wrote:

totalfootball wrote:http://www.magpictures.com/nowitzki/
They showed this movie on axs last night I believe, Watch this movie and maybe it will help you with some of the questions you have.  Dirk thinks 80% is will power to achieve what you want,20% is skills/ athleticism.   In his case, nba championship I believe.   The relationship he still has with his high school coach (holger) is simply amazing. There are 1000s of 6'10" , superbly athletic kids here in usa and holger had one 6'10" German blonde kid and made him into what he is. The drive has to come from within to be that good and the kid has to have someone to guide and coach.

Sho'nuff wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:
The bigger waste to me is NTX nor u.s. soccer develops its tremendously athletic players into skill/technique players. No phenom athletes as hold up players or Ibra/Drogba style target forwards...no dominant athletes as midfielders. We turn our best athletes into nothing more than fast defenders or run in behind, speed forwards.  We can't make the Xavi's, which is understandable considering you need the system, culture and surrounding environment to produce that kind of class. But the fact we can't make any Pogbas, Yayas, Kakas or Mullers seems like we're wasting our athletic resources. I doubt even a post knee injury Abby W. would've been a FWD in NTX...not fast enough...NTX would've had her at ctr back and told her to focus on winning every defensive header.

Curious- What do you recommend?

Also, I never see the athletes themselves being cited as the reason.  Is a phenom athlete going to be as hungry to put in the work needed? Where do they find the motivation?

And he focused on training the player to be what he could eventually be.  

A superbly skilled / shooting big man the likes of which the world has never seen before, rather than focusing on the team and using him as the biggest kid on the floor with his back to the basket to win 8th grade games in Germany.  

Had he done the latter, as we in the US do with most of our soccer athletes, Dirk would have been just another 6'10 grinder who may have lasted a couple of years on some teams bench.

The simple answer is the COACHES care about the team over the players, as is their job.  You may hear otherwise as they need the players (parents) to pay them, but at the end of the day they put team interests ahead of player interests, and that is NOT the way to develop players.  

If you want someone, besides yourself, to care about what is your kids developmental best interest, get a TRAINER who does not care about any team result.

Soccer_Cynic wrote:

Lefty wrote:

totalfootball wrote:http://www.magpictures.com/nowitzki/
They showed this movie on axs last night I believe, Watch this movie and maybe it will help you with some of the questions you have.  Dirk thinks 80% is will power to achieve what you want,20% is skills/ athleticism.   In his case, nba championship I believe.   The relationship he still has with his high school coach (holger) is simply amazing. There are 1000s of 6'10" , superbly athletic kids here in usa and holger had one 6'10" German blonde kid and made him into what he is. The drive has to come from within to be that good and the kid has to have someone to guide and coach.

Sho'nuff wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:
The bigger waste to me is NTX nor u.s. soccer develops its tremendously athletic players into skill/technique players. No phenom athletes as hold up players or Ibra/Drogba style target forwards...no dominant athletes as midfielders. We turn our best athletes into nothing more than fast defenders or run in behind, speed forwards.  We can't make the Xavi's, which is understandable considering you need the system, culture and surrounding environment to produce that kind of class. But the fact we can't make any Pogbas, Yayas, Kakas or Mullers seems like we're wasting our athletic resources. I doubt even a post knee injury Abby W. would've been a FWD in NTX...not fast enough...NTX would've had her at ctr back and told her to focus on winning every defensive header.

Curious- What do you recommend?

Also, I never see the athletes themselves being cited as the reason.  Is a phenom athlete going to be as hungry to put in the work needed? Where do they find the motivation?

And he focused on training the player to be what he could eventually be.  

A superbly skilled / shooting big man the likes of which the world has never seen before, rather than focusing on the team and using him as the biggest kid on the floor with his back to the basket to win 8th grade games in Germany.  

Had he done the latter, as we in the US do with most of our soccer athletes, Dirk would have been just another 6'10 grinder who may have lasted a couple of years on some teams bench.

The simple answer is the COACHES care about the team over the players, as is their job.  You may hear otherwise as they need the players (parents) to pay them, but at the end of the day they put team interests ahead of player interests, and that is NOT the way to develop players.  

If you want someone, besides yourself, to care about what is your kids developmental best interest, get a TRAINER who does not care about any team result.

I love that Dirk example!  He continued to work with Holger as a professional, so I ask you guys this soccer question:  What age do you believe a player focus on team training over individual training?  

Lefty, I agree with your post about coaches caring about the team more than the individual players.  I don't fault them for that.  In fact, I think I've found my new avatar name.

Never. The team training and the extra personal training go hand in hand. Steph Curry, Michael Jordan, Walter Payton, any great individual athlete is not great because they were born that way. They aren't great because of what they do at team practices. They are great because of the tens of thousands of hours that they spend doing extra training outside of team practice. The self motivation and the long term focus that it takes to be great are the most impressive part of it all.....and what most people are lacking.

Zizou wrote:Whats wrong with playing college ball getting an education? Then maybe playing a little pro ball while continuing your education. This seems to be a reasonable way for a young lady to fulfill her soccer dreams but yet realizing and being prepared for life after soccer.