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Pele98 wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

bwgophers wrote:


As for HS, most kids playing ECNL are also playing for their HS teams, however, know that college coaches are NOT coming out to watch HS games on any kind of regular basis.

I have been shocked to see college coaches regularly sitting in the press box. Always Friday night games three or four coaches. Some small and a few large schools. They go over the roster during the JV game with the Varsity coach of who is committed and for whose available what they are looking for in a college. I have witnessed this home and away

I'll take your word for it AD.  Wondering if that's the case if your DD isn't playing for a 6A school or one of the TAPPS powerhouses.

true, im guessing it's only the big schools. And probably the better team the more likely they show.

Not buying it.

My dd has played for a State winning HS and have been in State Finals 3 years in a row, and also played for an ECNL Championship finalist team, so I have been around and seen it.

At HS games, I can count in one hand the number of College coaches who have come to watch the State Powerhouse games and State Finals.

At ECNL Showcase and Championship games, College coaches outnumber the parents by far.

I've been going to HS games for more years than I'd care to count, and I don't think I've ever seen a high school game with multiple college coaches.  I can only remember 3 or 4 games where I saw even one.

Like it or not, for now, the ECNL has the college coaches covered.  I know my dd's coach has pretty much stopped going to any of the other non-ECNL events, unless they are close or they are in the area for some other reason.

ballhead wrote:

Pele98 wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

bwgophers wrote:


As for HS, most kids playing ECNL are also playing for their HS teams, however, know that college coaches are NOT coming out to watch HS games on any kind of regular basis.

I have been shocked to see college coaches regularly sitting in the press box. Always Friday night games three or four coaches. Some small and a few large schools. They go over the roster during the JV game with the Varsity coach of who is committed and for whose available what they are looking for in a college. I have witnessed this home and away

I'll take your word for it AD.  Wondering if that's the case if your DD isn't playing for a 6A school or one of the TAPPS powerhouses.

true, im guessing it's only the big schools. And probably the better team the more likely they show.

Not buying it.

My dd has played for a State winning HS and have been in State Finals 3 years in a row, and also played for an ECNL Championship finalist team, so I have been around and seen it.

At HS games, I can count in one hand the number of College coaches who have come to watch the State Powerhouse games and State Finals.

At ECNL Showcase and Championship games, College coaches outnumber the parents by far.

I've been going to HS games for more years than I'd care to count, and I don't think I've ever seen a high school game with multiple college coaches.  I can only remember 3 or 4 games where I saw even one.

Like it or not, for now, the ECNL has the college coaches covered.  I know my dd's coach has pretty much stopped going to any of the other non-ECNL events, unless they are close or they are in the area for some other reason.

Good thing I take pics then. Pictured is three college coaches in one room; one sec coach, one big 12 and one from a smaller school. I know the sec was watching a player that has commited to him. I have video from other games...

.....can count in one hand.......still true.

We are talking about Allen HS right?  How many ECNL players does the varsity team have?  How many DI players does it have?  And how many non-select players does it have?

My guess is that the answer to the first 2 questions is the major share of the roster if not all of it.  The rankings have Allen in the top 5.  I believe that explains everything and why they are there.

TatonkaBurger wrote:We are talking about Allen HS right?  How many ECNL players does the varsity team have?  How many DI players does it have?  And how many non-select players does it have?

My guess is that the answer to the first 2 questions is the major share of the roster if not all of it.  The rankings have Allen in the top 5.  I believe that explains everything and why they are there.

Geez, Lighten up ECNL people. I'm sure ECNL is the greatest league on earth. And no right minded College coach would ever do anything outside of ECNL...   I was just commenting to a friend, BW, that I was shocked coaches were there.  the end.

Pele98 wrote:.....can count in one hand.......still true.

I'm glad you can count Must have been a major accomplishment

AmazonDad wrote:

Pele98 wrote:.....can count in one hand.......still true.

I'm glad you can count Must have been a major accomplishment

I didn't count.....can't handle headaches.
 

I just looked at your photo with a 'lot of coaches sitting in press box'....and coincidently, they are all wearing Eagles Maroon shirts, found a pre-schooler to help tell me with how many heads she can see, and she told me two.

I guess you can call that counting, I don't know.   Math is so tough to me.

Pele98 wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

Pele98 wrote:.....can count in one hand.......still true.

I'm glad you can count Must have been a major accomplishment

I didn't count.....can't handle headaches.
 

I just looked at your photo with a 'lot of coaches sitting in press box'....and coincidently, they are all wearing Eagles Maroon shirts, found a pre-schooler to help tell me with how many heads she can see, and she told me two.

I guess you can call that counting, I don't know.   Math is so tough to me.

Eagles Maroon shirts??? My you are a bright one. Eagles are navy

AmazonDad wrote:

ballhead wrote:

Pele98 wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:
I have been shocked to see college coaches regularly sitting in the press box. Always Friday night games three or four coaches. Some small and a few large schools. They go over the roster during the JV game with the Varsity coach of who is committed and for whose available what they are looking for in a college. I have witnessed this home and away

I'll take your word for it AD.  Wondering if that's the case if your DD isn't playing for a 6A school or one of the TAPPS powerhouses.

true, im guessing it's only the big schools. And probably the better team the more likely they show.

Not buying it.

My dd has played for a State winning HS and have been in State Finals 3 years in a row, and also played for an ECNL Championship finalist team, so I have been around and seen it.

At HS games, I can count in one hand the number of College coaches who have come to watch the State Powerhouse games and State Finals.

At ECNL Showcase and Championship games, College coaches outnumber the parents by far.

I've been going to HS games for more years than I'd care to count, and I don't think I've ever seen a high school game with multiple college coaches.  I can only remember 3 or 4 games where I saw even one.

Like it or not, for now, the ECNL has the college coaches covered.  I know my dd's coach has pretty much stopped going to any of the other non-ECNL events, unless they are close or they are in the area for some other reason.

Good thing I take pics then.  Pictured is three college coaches in one room; one sec coach, one big 12 and one from a smaller school.  I know the sec was watching a player that has commited to him.  I have video from other games...

Maybe there's hope for our DD's after all AD!!!

bwgophers wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

ballhead wrote:

Pele98 wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

I'll take your word for it AD.  Wondering if that's the case if your DD isn't playing for a 6A school or one of the TAPPS powerhouses.

true, im guessing it's only the big schools. And probably the better team the more likely they show.

Not buying it.

My dd has played for a State winning HS and have been in State Finals 3 years in a row, and also played for an ECNL Championship finalist team, so I have been around and seen it.

At HS games, I can count in one hand the number of College coaches who have come to watch the State Powerhouse games and State Finals.

At ECNL Showcase and Championship games, College coaches outnumber the parents by far.

I've been going to HS games for more years than I'd care to count, and I don't think I've ever seen a high school game with multiple college coaches.  I can only remember 3 or 4 games where I saw even one.

Like it or not, for now, the ECNL has the college coaches covered.  I know my dd's coach has pretty much stopped going to any of the other non-ECNL events, unless they are close or they are in the area for some other reason.

Good thing I take pics then.  Pictured is three college coaches in one room; one sec coach, one big 12 and one from a smaller school.  I know the sec was watching a player that has commited to him.  I have video from other games...

Maybe there's hope for our DD's after all AD!!!  

Mine is has her heart set to follow in her brother's footsteps to Stanford. That's my only hope for her.

[quote="AmazonDad"][quote="ballhead"][quote="Pele98"][quote="AmazonDad"][quote="bwgophers"]

AmazonDad wrote:
Good thing I take pics then.  Pictured is three college coaches in one room; one sec coach, one big 12 and one from a smaller school.  I know the sec was watching a player that has commited to him.  I have video from other games...

We happened to play Allen this season and came across a certain '01 Freshman forward that we had not seen in a while. She's still good.

I appreciate all the input!!!

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bwgophers wrote:

We happened to play Allen this season and came across a certain '01 Freshman forward that we had not seen in a while.   She's still good.

Yep, she is out for a month. Terrible head on collision with a keeper.

Freshman? Haven't been seen for a while?   No wonder.   Enjoy it while you can, AD.

AmazonDad wrote:

justpeachy wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

ballhead wrote:

Pele98 wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:
Yep, she is out for a month.  Terrible head on collision with a keeper.  

Yup, still good, but still playing the game like a middle-linebacker.  Heard the Plano keep got the worst of it.

KingBob wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

justpeachy wrote:

AmazonDad wrote:

ballhead wrote:

Pele98 wrote:

Yup, still good, but still playing the game like a middle-linebacker.  Heard the Plano keep got the worst of it.

yes, heard facial plastic surgery. here is the play
https://youtu.be/VXkg21klty4 23:44

AmazonDad wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:We are talking about Allen HS right?  How many ECNL players does the varsity team have?  How many DI players does it have?  And how many non-select players does it have?

My guess is that the answer to the first 2 questions is the major share of the roster if not all of it.  The rankings have Allen in the top 5.  I believe that explains everything and why they are there.

Geez, Lighten up ECNL people. I'm sure ECNL is the greatest league on earth. And no right minded College coach would ever do anything outside of ECNL...   I was just commenting to a friend, BW, that I was shocked coaches were there.  the end.

I was careful to mention DI girls too because it's not all about ECNL.  The point was that those coaches were there because it is a really good HS team and probably because of the ECNL and DI girls on the team.  I should have also mentioned Premier-National league players because was not defending or promoting one specific league.

wow...what a collision!  That was something fierce! Hopefully they will both be ok.

tpitty wrote:wow...what a collision!  That was something fierce! Hopefully they will both be ok.

It was a bloody mess.. the keepers eyebrow separated and hung down over her eye and you could see the skull, but they sewed it up nicely and she's fine now. I would post a closeup pic but it's caused several to lose their dinner. Thankfully no concussion.

It looks like a few may be starting to get where this is headed...and if we take the emotion out of it, it is good in more ways than it is bad. At the end of the day it's about revenue, as it is in every other sport! Because the women's side is "starting" to look like it has "possible" longevity, the powers that be are looking at how to create a system that generates inputs that sustain profit maximization. With the inputs being the players it is important that the input aligns with the demand. The Academy is happening and is expected to be in motion for the season starting 2017. The big downside to this, on the girls side, is the inability to participate in multiple sports. Because the opportunities on the girls side for scholarship (and the minute percent professional possibilities) offers are limited, eliminating multi-sport participation for some athletes may be a turn off. ECNL, (many will argue this) was always about capitalizing on the upswing in revenue potential in girls soccer. It's a business. And with any NEW business, it has been successful at drawing in buyers. But it is not a monopoly...it is more part of a competitive market which allows for ease of entry...and we will see other "businesses" enter the market...and we will participate. Just the cycle.
In the overall scheme, gonna create more opportunities for more players, and better opportunities for those players.

So ECNL in NTX is dead and the (likely) three US Soccer Academy teams in Dallas will be the only ones that can attract College coaches and therefore the top Athletes next year? or

ECNL in NTX will be less important so there will be more importance placed on other competitive leagues and coaches will go to more games.

My feeling at the moment is that if you're female the benefit of working hard to get really good at soccer is fairly marginal but if you happen to be really good, the work doesn't seem hard so the benefit can be marginal and still worth it. Pity though. It would be much better if women in sport were respected and had opportunities equal to their talent and the entertainment they can provide.

That's probably going to take another generation or two. Meantime I guess go with what you have or take up Tennis. The problem may be one of expectation and cost. The expectation justifies the cost. Lower expectation...

Good podcast on SoccerWire regarding ECNL, High School Soccer and Girls DA. About 51 minutes. Most salient comments I thought were at the 45 minute mark where they address scholarships/subsidizing players and FC Dallas. Will DA penetration into ECNL rich markets delude the talent? It will be interesting to watch.

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/podcast-u-s-soccers-girls-development-academy-plans-and-issues-to-consider/

RightWingDad wrote:Good podcast on SoccerWire regarding ECNL, High School Soccer and Girls DA. About 51 minutes. Most salient comments I thought were at the 45 minute mark where they address scholarships/subsidizing players and FC Dallas. Will DA penetration into ECNL rich markets delude the talent? It will be interesting to watch.

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/podcast-u-s-soccers-girls-development-academy-plans-and-issues-to-consider/

Good information in that podcast. Interesting thoughts on how they feel that DA will and should work with ECNL. A lot of people want to point at DA as a better option but these guys discuss several issues where DA is getting it wrong. I guess we will wait and see.

DDdad wrote:Can your DD play in College and not play in the ECNL?  Without question.  There are 37,000 women college soccer players at all levels of play.   Divided by four years, that is 9,250 per grade.   Of that number 2,250 are DI per grade.  Say 9,000 DI players in total.  There are roughly 70 ECNL teams x 20 players per team so roughly 1,400 players x 4 age groups (leaving out the U14 to you have an easier comparison).  So 5,600 ECNL players.   Thus, if every single ECNL player played D1 soccer, they would fill roughly 60% of the D1 slots.  And 0 slots in any other bracket.  I'm not saying that every ECNL girl gets a D1 scholarship but pointing out that there is lots of room for many paths.  

To your point, it looks like there are another 1,000 to 1,200 D1 openings after this years ECNL commitments.
http://www.soccerwire.com/news/over-1200-ecnl-players-announce-2016-college-commitments/

The class of 2016 is comprised of Amazing Young Women who will be playing at multiple collegiate soccer levels:
ECNL Class of 2016: 1,310
College Bound ECNL: 1,217
Total Players Playing Collegiate Soccer: 1,209
Division I: 955
Division II, III, NAIA: 264
Undecided: 91

FCsoccer1 wrote:I need some education on ECNL?  Many many questions....
Why ECNL...is there another road to take.
Is a player only in ECNL or are they playing with their normal team and school team?
I know trips are a cost but is ECNL an extra cost too?

If you are just asking this question now, ECNL is not the right path for your DD... just sayin.