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Post by SoccerDad75033 08/02/16, 12:49 pm

You will note my initial post was prior to any Sunday games.

So, about all we have established is -

Lefty won't state whether he thinks LH D1 players guesting on a PPL D4 team in the lowest bracket is "fair play".

Headhaunter thinks the results excuse the actions, which he doesn't have a problem with.

King Bob doesn't think driving 4 hours and staying in a hotel to LOSE by 23 to stacked teams would be a problem. He also apparently has a reading disability or a brain block that prevented him from processing the statement where I stated my kid wasn't on either team.

Sd69 thinks the ends justify the means.

Db is ticked at mouthy classless parents who heckle 12 year old girls during a game.

And sick thinks a LH team traveling to Houston to play rec teams is dodging competition, when it appears they found more competition than they could handle. Maybe he should start a post on the closing gap between STX rec soccer and NTX LH.

I had no kid in the hunt and only started the post to raise an issue I saw with "fair play" and perceived trophy hunting. Hopefully, the teams in question got everything out of their tournament experiences that they were looking for.

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Post by SoccerDad75033 08/02/16, 12:53 pm

And my daughter has played against the object of db's ire before and never mentioned mouthy parents.

Heard it was pretty trashy this weekend.

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Post by ReturnoftheForce 08/02/16, 01:10 pm

If I'm not mistaken there were players from the D1 team sprinkled all around this tourney. I believe there were some playing on an 03 team. Maybe with the coming AP issue they're looking for landing spots.


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Post by DT03GWhiteNPL 08/02/16, 01:36 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:You will note my initial post was prior to any Sunday games.  

So, about all we have established is -

Lefty won't state whether he thinks LH D1 players guesting on a PPL D4 team in the lowest bracket is "fair play".

Headhaunter thinks the results excuse the actions, which he doesn't have a problem with.

King Bob doesn't think driving 4 hours and staying in a hotel to LOSE by 23 to stacked teams would be a problem.  He also apparently has a reading disability or a brain block that prevented him from processing the statement where I stated my kid wasn't on either team.

Sd69 thinks the ends justify the means.

Db is ticked at mouthy classless parents who heckle 12 year old girls during a game.

And sick thinks a LH team traveling to Houston to play rec teams is dodging competition, when it appears they found more competition than they could handle.  Maybe he should start a post on the closing gap between STX rec soccer and NTX LH.

I had no kid in the hunt and only started the post to raise an issue I saw with "fair play" and perceived trophy hunting.   Hopefully, the teams in question got everything out of their tournament experiences that they were looking for.

Excellent -so did your team get what they were looking for since I assume this question was in direct relation to a team YOUR DD plays on that was directly affected or unaffected by said question?
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Post by DT03GWhiteNPL 08/02/16, 01:49 pm

ReturnoftheForce wrote:If I'm not mistaken there were players from the D1 team sprinkled all around this tourney.  I believe there were some playing on an 03 team.  Maybe with the coming AP issue they're looking for landing spots.  


Sure was - there were LH 04 D1 players playing down in all brackets and divisions and many playing up in age groups for PPL 03 teams - these winter tournaments are a perfect time for it in my opinion. Mine was helping a LH D3 team that was playing a D2 team with several D1 players on it. She knew every one of the kiddos playing on that team and cared very little about it - in fact was excited about it. So the only people that make a big deal out of it are the parents
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Post by db10 08/02/16, 01:54 pm

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KingBob wrote:Back in the academy days, I used to complain about teams bringing in guest players to stack the deck.  Then my 10-yr old DD told me "Shut up, Dad! How am I supposed to get better if I don't play against players that are better than me?"

Haven't complained about it since.

So again, why have brackets? Just shove all the D2 PPL with the top D1 LH teams. This way all the girls can improve as they watch Elite roll 23 goals up on them.

Actually, both my DD and I would be a lot more upset if she was on the team that scored 23, than if she was on the team that gave up 23.

I'd be absolutely pi$$ed at the coach, and/or, club, an/or TD for putting her team in a situation that was of zero value like that.  Doubly so if I drove 4 hours and spent money on hotel for something like that.  They would certainly hear my displeasure in that case.

Thus the reason behind brackets and divisions...to keep a level playing field. We have all have a guest player or two but they're usually a D1 on a D2 or similar. Dropping D1's into that far of a lower bracket is something totally different. Hence the OP.

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Post by DT03GWhiteNPL 08/02/16, 02:01 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:And my daughter has played against the object of db's ire before and never mentioned mouthy parents.

Heard it was pretty trashy this weekend.

Since I don't know what level db's DD is I can't say what parents he may be talking about but haven't experienced the trash talking or mouthy parents either - maybe he's talking about the LH D3 team? My DD hadn't had the experience of playing them. However, the D1 team has never been brought up by my DD. But this has been this season - last season may have been a completely different story at least from what others have said.

I will add this opinion though: as far as yelling at opposing kids from the sidelines? I just don't condone that but our parents are quite subdued in that regard as we don't want to be on this board being called out as the obnoxious ones. Parents, in my opinion, should be yelling nothing but support to their own team and kiddos - NEVER should they yell at - or to - the opposing team unless to give a compliment of a great play or something extraordinary - otherwise, parents should zip it around ALL players. Nothing nice to say? Then shut the hell up - period.
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Post by Guest 08/02/16, 02:35 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:

I had no kid in the hunt and only started the post to raise an issue I saw with "fair play" and perceived trophy hunting.  

You didn't really just type that and hit enter, did you???Shocked

Do some of you folks ever read aloud what you write, just to listen to how utterly ridiculous it sounds? lol!

Thank the good Lord in Heaven above that we've got you patrolling the sidelines to save us from ourselves, especially when you have no kid in the hunt. How absolutely noble of you to address this issue in such a manner!!!

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Post by CBTeamworks 08/02/16, 02:37 pm

It was a good tournament that accomplished the goal of getting the kids some PT before league play begins. Many teams sharing players from other teams in their clubs. Because of that we aren't going to learn a whole lot from the results. League play will be a more accurate representation of where these PPIL teams are as a team since club player pass (sharing players from other club teams) is not an option in PPIL.
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Post by dreadpirateroberts 08/02/16, 02:45 pm

bwgophers wrote:
SoccerDad75033 wrote:

I had no kid in the hunt and only started the post to raise an issue I saw with "fair play" and perceived trophy hunting.  

You didn't really just type that and hit enter, did you???Shocked

Do some of you folks ever read aloud what you write, just to listen to how utterly ridiculous it sounds? lol!

Thank the good Lord in Heaven above that we've got you patrolling the sidelines to save us from ourselves, especially when you have no kid in the hunt.  How absolutely noble of you to address this issue in such a manner!!!

While I think you (gophers) are usually spot on, you have missed badly here. I am sure you are a bit jaded by what you usually see on these here forums. I personally know the OP, and can assure you he has no dog in this fight. His DD had nothing to do with this and she and her team were affected in no way. OP just loves the forums and to stir the pot. I also think he calls a spade a spade and simply felt it egregious that a LHD1 player was playing in bronze and felt the need to call this team out. You should be encouraging OP- lord knows you need the activity on the forum.
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Post by Lefty 08/02/16, 02:55 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:You will note my initial post was prior to any Sunday games.  

So, about all we have established is -

Lefty won't state whether he thinks LH D1 players guesting on a PPL D4 team in the lowest bracket is "fair play".

Headhaunter thinks the results excuse the actions, which he doesn't have a problem with.

King Bob doesn't think driving 4 hours and staying in a hotel to LOSE by 23 to stacked teams would be a problem.  He also apparently has a reading disability or a brain block that prevented him from processing the statement where I stated my kid wasn't on either team.

Sd69 thinks the ends justify the means.

Db is ticked at mouthy classless parents who heckle 12 year old girls during a game.

And sick thinks a LH team traveling to Houston to play rec teams is dodging competition, when it appears they found more competition than they could handle.  Maybe he should start a post on the closing gap between STX rec soccer and NTX LH.

I had no kid in the hunt and only started the post to raise an issue I saw with "fair play" and perceived trophy hunting.   Hopefully, the teams in question got everything out of their tournament experiences that they were looking for.

Lefty won't state whether he thinks LH D1 players guesting on a PPL D4 team in the lowest bracket is "fair play".

What I said is that 'Fair' is a relative term that is in the eyes of the beholder.  You don't think it is 'fair', someone else obviously thinks it is.

Not sure why you insist in putting words in other peoples mouth regarding something you were not involved in.

What's the motivation other than wanting to be the arbiter of what is 'fair' in the world of soccer.

Maybe you should join the FIFA board.

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Post by db10 08/02/16, 05:16 pm

I just like how defensive people get when called out about trophy hunting. Just admit it and move on rather than trying to come up with some philosophical developmental reason the coach brought ringers in.

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Post by ReturnoftheForce 08/02/16, 07:14 pm

IMO trophy hunting is bringing a stud team in to a lower division in order to win. In all reality there are very few girls in any division that can go to a bottom division team and make much of a difference. If I'm correct the actual studs for the team in question were playing up with 03s on a D1 team in the top bracket.(I may be wrong on this but if we're talking about the same club then I'm not)

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