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ECNL vs Composite?
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ECNL vs Composite?
Solar and Texans have mentioned Composite teams. I could not find anything from the other big three clubs. I saw something about composite teams embedded in another thread but no one has posted anything specific about composite teams.
So here we go... What is a composite team??
What will this do to the pool of players if everyone jumps on board with the composite team? What is the cost vs ECNL?
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I believe I was told they would play a regional regular season schedule only (under ECNL flag). Could be foggy here, but that's my recollection of the conversation.
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Aren't the composite teams addressing the expanded player pool at the U18 (other?) level due to the move to Age Pure?NorthDallasSoccer wrote:I would assume that the composite teams are being formed so that these girls can get ready for ECNL once the DA starts. So it seems to be looking good for Texans and Solar in getting DA.
I don't think they are the result of anything but AP issues.
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Gunners wrote:Aren't the composite teams addressing the expanded player pool at the U18 (other?) level due to the move to Age Pure?NorthDallasSoccer wrote:I would assume that the composite teams are being formed so that these girls can get ready for ECNL once the DA starts. So it seems to be looking good for Texans and Solar in getting DA.
I don't think they are the result of anything but AP issues.
No. This is an expansion of the player pool in all ECNL age groups. This year, the composite teams will span 2 age groups. There will be U19/U18, U17/U16, and U15/U14 composite teams. Don't know if every Texas Conference ECNL club is planning to have a composite team in every one of those age groups. I've heard 6 out 10 clubs are on board, I've also heard that every club except Tx Rush is on board. Don't know if the discrepancy in numbers is due to different #'s of clubs in different age groups, or just a function of where the various clubs are in the decision process.
From direct sources, or from posts for open practices on the forum, Sting/Texans/Solar/FCD appear to be planning to have composite teams in all 3 age groups. Haven't heard anything about 'Feet or any of the other Texas Conference clubs.
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I guess they saw an opportunity to add the composite teams at the younger levels as well. Doesn't really make sense at the younger levels, though, as they probably were already getting the revenue from LH teams already. *shrug*
Make no mistake, though, this is strictly about the money.
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I don't know how "interchangeable" the ECNL and composite rosters will be, but it sounds like there will be liberal options to move players back and forth. I have also not heard a definitive answer on the game day roster rules. I've heard that players will only be allowed to be on 1 roster on a given game day, I've also heard that players can play in both ECNL and Composite games on the same day (the intention being to give an ECNL player who got minimal playing time in the ECNL game, the chance to get PT in the Composite game).
Also hearing differing approaches to composite roster formation. Some clubs/teams planning to load up on older players (i.e. '00's vs. '01's on the U17/U16 team), others planning a more balanced approached.
Best I can tell, the "feeder team" or "extended roster" concepts seem to be what this is about. Last I checked, the average roster size of ECNL teams for the NTX clubs is around 22-24 players, or ~44-48 players across 2 age groups. Of those 44-48, a max of 36 can play on any given day of league matches. So, you've got 8-12 girls who are training, traveling, paying, but not playing. To some degree, you need to have a buffer of players due to injury, and dual-rostering with LHGCL teams presents it own logistic issues.
So my outside-looking-in viewpoint, this looks like the clubs addressing this issue by allowing them to expand their player pool, while guaranteeing playing time of some sort for a larger % of the players who are training/travelling. By adding in the composite games, you can now play a max of 54 girls between the 2 age groups on any given game day.
It looks to me like the cost to play on a Composite team will/should be somewhere between playing for an LHGCL + PL team and playing for a full ECNL team (depending to what degree the composite teams travel to ECNL national events and/or other showcases outside of league play). The potential benefit is that the Composite players will be likely to get more exposure to college coaches who are drawn to the ECNL matches, compared to what they would get just playing in LHGCL + non-ECNL showcases.
If I was a parent considering a composite team, I would want to be getting concrete answers on the total # players the club was going to keep in the combined age group pool, and how the roster rules will work, particularly as it pertains to ECNL players dropping down to play in Composite games. If the club gave me any indication that they were planning to carry more that 54-58 players total across the 2 ECNL teams + 1 composite team, I'd personally be pretty wary of that situation if my kid was going to be a composite player.
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bwgophers wrote:I'm not an inside source on this by any means, so what I am posting is information I have either gotten directly through club sources, or by talking with sources who I believe are reliable.
I don't know how "interchangeable" the ECNL and composite rosters will be, but it sounds like there will be liberal options to move players back and forth. I have also not heard a definitive answer on the game day roster rules. I've heard that players will only be allowed to be on 1 roster on a given game day, I've also heard that players can play in both ECNL and Composite games on the same day (the intention being to give an ECNL player who got minimal playing time in the ECNL game, the chance to get PT in the Composite game).
Also hearing differing approaches to composite roster formation. Some clubs/teams planning to load up on older players (i.e. '00's vs. '01's on the U17/U16 team), others planning a more balanced approached.
Best I can tell, the "feeder team" or "extended roster" concepts seem to be what this is about. Last I checked, the average roster size of ECNL teams for the NTX clubs is around 22-24 players, or ~44-48 players across 2 age groups. Of those 44-48, a max of 36 can play on any given day of league matches. So, you've got 8-12 girls who are training, traveling, paying, but not playing. To some degree, you need to have a buffer of players due to injury, and dual-rostering with LHGCL teams presents it own logistic issues.
So my outside-looking-in viewpoint, this looks like the clubs addressing this issue by allowing them to expand their player pool, while guaranteeing playing time of some sort for a larger % of the players who are training/travelling. By adding in the composite games, you can now play a max of 54 girls between the 2 age groups on any given game day.
It looks to me like the cost to play on a Composite team will/should be somewhere between playing for an LHGCL + PL team and playing for a full ECNL team (depending to what degree the composite teams travel to ECNL national events and/or other showcases outside of league play). The potential benefit is that the Composite players will be likely to get more exposure to college coaches who are drawn to the ECNL matches, compared to what they would get just playing in LHGCL + non-ECNL showcases.
If I was a parent considering a composite team, I would want to be getting concrete answers on the total # players the club was going to keep in the combined age group pool, and how the roster rules will work, particularly as it pertains to ECNL players dropping down to play in Composite games. If the club gave me any indication that they were planning to carry more that 54-58 players total across the 2 ECNL teams + 1 composite team, I'd personally be pretty wary of that situation if my kid was going to be a composite player.
b-dub, we must've been typing at the same time, as it seems like you might've answered some of my questions just prior to me finishing my post. Still wondering if the "commitment" is as intense as the ECNL--and yes, it makes sense that it would give new opportunity to the ECNL bench. Also maybe a taste of ECNL for the families that haven't been willing to take the plunge--as some families and some girls, no matter talent level, have opted to wait to go the ECNL route.
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So let me see if I understand this... Let's say 18 dd's make the A-team and 18 make the B-team. 11 play full playing time with maybe 2 subbing in so that is 14 dd's seeing game time for the A-team. Then, you have the 2 subs plus the 5 that sat the bench from the A-team play in the B-team game with only 4 from the B-team playing in the B-team game and possibly 2 subs from that team. That leaves 8 to 10 dd's from the B-team who are getting little to no playing time. There only playing time may come from dual rostering in Lake Highlands and that playing time is not guaranteed there either.kegsmen wrote:Dual rostering will be where the B team players will likely see any playing time.
Some how I feel like this composite thing is going to become the next ODP...
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