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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch 02/06/16, 02:01 pm

I saw this posted below on the 04 thread but the thread seems to be locked, so I couldn't reply.. Can anyone post a link where ECNL will/has start(ed) composite leagues. I have checked ECNL website and could not find it.. Seems to be more and more of a NTX ECNL clubs plot to consolidate top players.. If ECNL is pushing this, why no mention of it on their website. The masses have fled to ECNL clubs because of hear say without knowing facts.. If I'm wrong, my apologies..

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"So what will happens to the 2nd tier teams after U13 will they revert back to Classic League? If so, will they have to re-qualify or will they steal bye from another team within the club that earns a D1 bye? Do they stay secluded playing in a meaningless backup ECNL division within LH?"

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"They'll compete in the ECNL Composite league. Similar to top tier ECNL, they will participate in ECNL regional league + tournament play. You could look at it as an "ECNL D2"."

For those ECNL composite teams at FCD and Solar next year (17/18) ... The majority of the ladies playing on the composite squads will then serve as the top tier ECNL sides, while most of the participants on the first teams will make up/be competing for USSF DA spots. Suspect
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Post by FCT2016 02/06/16, 02:30 pm

Fact is they will get better coaching than at LP.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 02/06/16, 02:51 pm

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
For those ECNL composite teams at FCD and Solar next year (17/18) ... The majority of the ladies playing on the composite squads will then serve as the top tier ECNL sides, while most of the participants on the first teams will make up/be competing for USSF DA spots. Suspect

How many will be on the top roster for each of these teams?  16 to 20?  Each year of DA will consist of 2 combined age groups right?  So next year DA teams will consist of 04s and 03s.  And that means that of the 18 on the DA roster, 9 will come from the 04 top team and the other 9 will come from the 03 top team.  That means that 7 to 11 of the top team will move down to the ECNL roster pushing out 7 to 11 from the composite squad.  

I not real strong at math but I will make sure to tell my DD not to get too comfortable with her spot.
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Post by FCT2016 02/06/16, 02:53 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
For those ECNL composite teams at FCD and Solar next year (17/18) ... The majority of the ladies playing on the composite squads will then serve as the top tier ECNL sides, while most of the participants on the first teams will make up/be competing for USSF DA spots. Suspect

How many will be on the top roster for each of these teams?  16 to 20?  Each year of DA will consist of 2 combined age groups right?  So next year DA teams will consist of 04s and 03s.  And that means that of the 18 on the DA roster, 9 will come from the 04 top team and the other 9 will come from the 03 top team.  That means that 7 to 11 of the top team will move down to the ECNL roster pushing out 7 to 11 from the composite squad.  

I not real strong at math but I will make sure to tell my DD not to get too comfortable with her spot.

I would say to my DD "welcome to the real world where nothing is guaranteed and you have to fight for your achievements"!

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch 02/06/16, 04:17 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
For those ECNL composite teams at FCD and Solar next year (17/18) ... The majority of the ladies playing on the composite squads will then serve as the top tier ECNL sides, while most of the participants on the first teams will make up/be competing for USSF DA spots. Suspect

How many will be on the top roster for each of these teams?  16 to 20?  Each year of DA will consist of 2 combined age groups right?  So next year DA teams will consist of 04s and 03s.  And that means that of the 18 on the DA roster, 9 will come from the 04 top team and the other 9 will come from the 03 top team.  That means that 7 to 11 of the top team will move down to the ECNL roster pushing out 7 to 11 from the composite squad.  

I not real strong at math but I will make sure to tell my DD not to get too comfortable with her spot.

23 on DA roster.. 69 total players for three groups..
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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch 02/06/16, 04:18 pm

FCT2016 wrote:Fact is they will get better coaching than at LP.

Yep, just like at the Texans.. Laughing Laughing Laughing

I'm still waiting to hear what team your daughter plays for?? You just another azzwipe hiding behind a computer acting tough!!
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Post by FCT2016 02/06/16, 04:35 pm

No just reacting to your post which is obviously what you wanted. Yes that's right Texans where we are still seeing your Elite girls maybe you are just getting concerned and trying to stop the exodus by posting this stuff.

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Post by SD69 02/06/16, 04:39 pm

It does reek of monopolizing the landscape and squeezing out those who were not fortunate enough to be allowed into ECNL years ago. In any other industry there would probably be anti-trust legal issues in play.
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Post by SD69 02/06/16, 04:42 pm

Heck, even at the highest levels, the little guy can get a chance to perform in the top leagues, aka Leicester City this year.
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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch 02/06/16, 04:54 pm

FCT2016 wrote:No just reacting to your post which is obviously what you wanted. Yes that's right Texans where we are still seeing your Elite girls maybe you are just getting concerned and trying to stop the exodus by posting this stuff.

No concerns.. I guess it will make you feel better they showing up right?? Might make your team better..  You want to come check us out? We have a few spot left..
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Post by Rico_Passe 02/06/16, 05:28 pm

Composite was talked about as being ECNL-sanctioned at one point but I think it was voted down, but still composite teams forming and supposedly attending same ECNL tournaments just not sanctioned by ECNL.

Someone confirm or correct me. Lots of talk out there. Folks need the answers.
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Post by wxyz 02/06/16, 06:13 pm

Rico_Passe wrote:Composite was talked about as being ECNL-sanctioned at one point but I think it was voted down, but still composite teams forming and supposedly attending same ECNL tournaments just not sanctioned by ECNL.

Someone confirm or correct me. Lots of talk out there. Folks need the answers.

Hmmm... How can the leagues/teams be not sanctioned by ECNL but able to attend the same ECNL tournaments?

I've heard that a new TX region league will be formed by composite teams from (mostly) ECNL clubs. No promotions/relegations since ECNL clubs will always have a spot. What is not clear is who will run the league (to manage the schedule, locations/fields, rules). Definitely not ECNL. Could be LH. So, it will be a "composite" league, and not a "ECNL composite" league.

ECNL will probably sanction ECNL composite tournaments (one or two per year) but they will be at different times and different locations as the "real" ECNL showcase tournaments (there aren't many locations that could accommodate both ECNL and composite tournaments).

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Post by soccerjack 02/06/16, 06:30 pm

SD69 wrote:It does reek of monopolizing the landscape and squeezing out those who were not fortunate enough to be allowed into ECNL years ago. In any other industry there would probably be anti-trust legal issues in play.

Spot on...the difference from the biz world is that there will be an abundance of parents lining up to pay more for this silliness...unlike the real world where b2b customers would sue for collusion. It is very anti competitive and I would put money on the fact that the product will not be better than lh d-1 was in the past. I actually think it will get worse with time.
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Post by Guest 02/06/16, 07:04 pm

It's the NCAA College Football model...

The ECNL clubs are the Power 5 conferences.
LH is the NCAA.

It's as much about power and controlling the mindshare as it is about money.

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Post by soccerjack 02/06/16, 07:28 pm

KingBob wrote:It's the NCAA College Football model...

The ECNL clubs are the Power 5 conferences.
LH is the NCAA.

It's as much about power and controlling the mindshare as it is about money.

The difference is you're talking about pre puberty kids and the adults are paying for it. No scholly for an education. All they are looking for is the biggest kids "right now". They are in middle school.....skills and size will change. Personally don't care, just pointing out the obvious. These kids are too young for this craziness.
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Post by adufresne 02/06/16, 07:32 pm

FYI-
ECNL is nonprofit. Just saying...

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Post by soccerjack 02/06/16, 07:44 pm

adufresne wrote:FYI-
ECNL is nonprofit. Just saying...

Lol.... You can pay directors or coaches whatever you want through a non profit. Really? As a prior poster mentioned...in the real world this stupidity wouldn't happen. Non of this is nonprofit. Amazed they have been able to keep that designation. Again...I really don't care, but are people that naive?
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Post by adufresne 02/06/16, 08:11 pm

soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:FYI-
ECNL is nonprofit. Just saying...

Lol.... You can pay directors or coaches whatever you want through a non profit. Really?  As  a prior poster mentioned...in the real world this stupidity wouldn't happen. Non of this is nonprofit.  Amazed they have been able to keep that designation. Again...I really don't care, but are people that naive?


Don't think it's naivety. Some people see the big picture and some people just buy the BS that they hear(or read) and some people are like you as you say....don't care. The ECNL composite league doesn't exist. There was 1 event last year that I'm aware of. If someone wants to hang around for 1-2 events....that's not ECNL's fault. Just saying.....

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Post by adufresne 02/06/16, 08:33 pm

Personally, I hope the composite leagues do come to fruition. As far as ECNL composite is concerned, it is just an avenue of exposure for players. The ECNL model works in that aspect. Is it the only avenue? No

The LH developmental leagues if handled correctly would be beneficial as well if handled correctly. As long as it is a friendly environment where rosters are open and players can just come out and play, I think it's a good thing. I hope the clubs don't need to a completely separate team in order have a slot(s) in that league. Of course the clubs are selling it that way. Players=revenue and looks better for their chance at DA.

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Post by soccerjack 02/06/16, 08:46 pm

adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:FYI-
ECNL is nonprofit. Just saying...

Lol.... You can pay directors or coaches whatever you want through a non profit. Really?  As  a prior poster mentioned...in the real world this stupidity wouldn't happen. Non of this is nonprofit.  Amazed they have been able to keep that designation. Again...I really don't care, but are people that naive?


Don't think it's naivety. Some people see the big picture and some people just buy the BS that they hear(or read) and some people are like you as you say....don't care. The ECNL composite league doesn't exist. There was 1 event last year that I'm aware of. If someone wants to hang around for 1-2 events....that's not ECNL's fault. Just saying.....

It is naivety...but I will rephrase my statement. There is no big picture that is seen at 11 or 12 years old by a parent. I do care because my kid plays in this...we are not looking for a scholarship or $12k a year to play in a women's league. We just want our dd involved in something she enjoys and can learn from. Too many parents buy into the stupidity being sold to them. Which means the clubs will keep coming up with more ways for you to part with your money. Pay for play is a for profit enterprise...which means the most gifted player may not be on the field. Again pretty obvious stuff.
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Post by adufresne 02/06/16, 08:51 pm

soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:
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adufresne wrote:FYI-
ECNL is nonprofit. Just saying...

Lol.... You can pay directors or coaches whatever you want through a non profit. Really?  As  a prior poster mentioned...in the real world this stupidity wouldn't happen. Non of this is nonprofit.  Amazed they have been able to keep that designation. Again...I really don't care, but are people that naive?


Don't think it's naivety. Some people see the big picture and some people just buy the BS that they hear(or read) and some people are like you as you say....don't care. The ECNL composite league doesn't exist. There was 1 event last year that I'm aware of. If someone wants to hang around for 1-2 events....that's not ECNL's fault. Just saying.....

It is naivety...but I will rephrase my statement. There is no big picture that is seen at 11 or 12 years old by a parent. I do care because my kid plays in this...we are not looking for a scholarship or $12k a year to play in a women's league.  We just want our dd involved in something she enjoys and can learn from. Too many parents buy into the stupidity being sold to them. Which means the clubs will keep coming up with more ways for you to part with your money. Pay for play is a for profit enterprise...which means  the most gifted player may not be on the field.  Again pretty obvious stuff.


What are you even talking about? 11 and 12 yr olds don't even play ECNL. If you don't want your kid to play ECNL....don't sign her up. Pretty obvious stuff.

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Post by soccerjack 02/06/16, 09:06 pm

adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:
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adufresne wrote:FYI-
ECNL is nonprofit. Just saying...

Lol.... You can pay directors or coaches whatever you want through a non profit. Really?  As  a prior poster mentioned...in the real world this stupidity wouldn't happen. Non of this is nonprofit.  Amazed they have been able to keep that designation. Again...I really don't care, but are people that naive?


Don't think it's naivety. Some people see the big picture and some people just buy the BS that they hear(or read) and some people are like you as you say....don't care. The ECNL composite league doesn't exist. There was 1 event last year that I'm aware of. If someone wants to hang around for 1-2 events....that's not ECNL's fault. Just saying.....

It is naivety...but I will rephrase my statement. There is no big picture that is seen at 11 or 12 years old by a parent. I do care because my kid plays in this...we are not looking for a scholarship or $12k a year to play in a women's league.  We just want our dd involved in something she enjoys and can learn from. Too many parents buy into the stupidity being sold to them. Which means the clubs will keep coming up with more ways for you to part with your money. Pay for play is a for profit enterprise...which means  the most gifted player may not be on the field.  Again pretty obvious stuff.


What are you even talking about? 11 and 12 yr olds don't even play ECNL. If you don't want your kid to play ECNL....don't sign her up. Pretty obvious stuff.

This thread is talking about ecnl composite and yes 12 yr olds and younger are moving into ecnl silliness and yes you said ecnl is not for profit but the clubs that field the teams are for profit.  So what are you talking about?  13 yr old ecnl greatness?

Frankly if ecnl is so pure why do the d feeters have a slot and why do the 01 kicks beat or do well against "ecnl teams" in ntx.


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soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:FYI-
ECNL is nonprofit. Just saying...

Lol.... You can pay directors or coaches whatever you want through a non profit. Really?  As  a prior poster mentioned...in the real world this stupidity wouldn't happen. Non of this is nonprofit.  Amazed they have been able to keep that designation. Again...I really don't care, but are people that naive?


Don't think it's naivety. Some people see the big picture and some people just buy the BS that they hear(or read) and some people are like you as you say....don't care. The ECNL composite league doesn't exist. There was 1 event last year that I'm aware of. If someone wants to hang around for 1-2 events....that's not ECNL's fault. Just saying.....

It is naivety...but I will rephrase my statement. There is no big picture that is seen at 11 or 12 years old by a parent. I do care because my kid plays in this...we are not looking for a scholarship or $12k a year to play in a women's league.  We just want our dd involved in something she enjoys and can learn from. Too many parents buy into the stupidity being sold to them. Which means the clubs will keep coming up with more ways for you to part with your money. Pay for play is a for profit enterprise...which means  the most gifted player may not be on the field.  Again pretty obvious stuff.


What are you even talking about? 11 and 12 yr olds don't even play ECNL. If you don't want your kid to play ECNL....don't sign her up. Pretty obvious stuff.

This thread is talking about ecnl composite and yes 12 yr olds and younger are moving into ecnl silliness and yes you said ecnl is not for profit but the clubs that field the teams are for profit.  So what are you talking about?  13 yr old ecnl greatness?

All I'm saying is that it's another opportunity for the kids to play. That is hardly ever a bad thing. I never said anything about greatness. ECNL is nonprofit. That is a fact. My kid plays for D'feeters and they are nonprofit as well. That is a fact. LHGCL is non profit. That is a fact. Even if all of the above were trying to make a profit, what's the problem? If you don't like it......don't sign up. I don't see the issue

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adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:

Lol.... You can pay directors or coaches whatever you want through a non profit. Really?  As  a prior poster mentioned...in the real world this stupidity wouldn't happen. Non of this is nonprofit.  Amazed they have been able to keep that designation. Again...I really don't care, but are people that naive?


Don't think it's naivety. Some people see the big picture and some people just buy the BS that they hear(or read) and some people are like you as you say....don't care. The ECNL composite league doesn't exist. There was 1 event last year that I'm aware of. If someone wants to hang around for 1-2 events....that's not ECNL's fault. Just saying.....

It is naivety...but I will rephrase my statement. There is no big picture that is seen at 11 or 12 years old by a parent. I do care because my kid plays in this...we are not looking for a scholarship or $12k a year to play in a women's league.  We just want our dd involved in something she enjoys and can learn from. Too many parents buy into the stupidity being sold to them. Which means the clubs will keep coming up with more ways for you to part with your money. Pay for play is a for profit enterprise...which means  the most gifted player may not be on the field.  Again pretty obvious stuff.


What are you even talking about? 11 and 12 yr olds don't even play ECNL. If you don't want your kid to play ECNL....don't sign her up. Pretty obvious stuff.

This thread is talking about ecnl composite and yes 12 yr olds and younger are moving into ecnl silliness and yes you said ecnl is not for profit but the clubs that field the teams are for profit.  So what are you talking about?  13 yr old ecnl greatness?

All I'm saying is that it's another opportunity for the kids to play.  That is hardly ever a bad thing.  I never said anything about greatness. ECNL is nonprofit. That is a fact. My kid plays for D'feeters and they are nonprofit as well. That is a fact. LHGCL is non profit. That is a fact. Even if all of the above were trying to make a profit, what's the problem? If you don't like it......don't sign up. I don't see the issue

The feet probably shouldn't have an ecnl spot if the real intention is to build the best players. Look at the 01's. I would bet kicks would run circles around the feet 01 ecnl team. Which I guess they will become the new ecnl team. Not trying to be $hitty. Would also guess the 03 team is waiting to recruit who doesn't make fcd, solar and Texan ecnl team.
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adufresne wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
adufresne wrote:
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Don't think it's naivety. Some people see the big picture and some people just buy the BS that they hear(or read) and some people are like you as you say....don't care. The ECNL composite league doesn't exist. There was 1 event last year that I'm aware of. If someone wants to hang around for 1-2 events....that's not ECNL's fault. Just saying.....

It is naivety...but I will rephrase my statement. There is no big picture that is seen at 11 or 12 years old by a parent. I do care because my kid plays in this...we are not looking for a scholarship or $12k a year to play in a women's league.  We just want our dd involved in something she enjoys and can learn from. Too many parents buy into the stupidity being sold to them. Which means the clubs will keep coming up with more ways for you to part with your money. Pay for play is a for profit enterprise...which means  the most gifted player may not be on the field.  Again pretty obvious stuff.


What are you even talking about? 11 and 12 yr olds don't even play ECNL. If you don't want your kid to play ECNL....don't sign her up. Pretty obvious stuff.

This thread is talking about ecnl composite and yes 12 yr olds and younger are moving into ecnl silliness and yes you said ecnl is not for profit but the clubs that field the teams are for profit.  So what are you talking about?  13 yr old ecnl greatness?

All I'm saying is that it's another opportunity for the kids to play.  That is hardly ever a bad thing.  I never said anything about greatness. ECNL is nonprofit. That is a fact. My kid plays for D'feeters and they are nonprofit as well. That is a fact. LHGCL is non profit. That is a fact. Even if all of the above were trying to make a profit, what's the problem? If you don't like it......don't sign up. I don't see the issue

The feet probably shouldn't have an ecnl spot if the real intention is to build the best players. Look at the 01's. I would bet kicks would run circles around the feet 01 ecnl team. Which I guess they will become the new ecnl team. Not trying to be $hitty. Would also guess the 03 team is waiting to recruit who doesn't make fcd, solar and Texan ecnl team.

Ok....again, what's your point? Feet does have an ECNL spot despite your personal opinion. If you look at the history of the club, they do produce SOME of the BEST players. Not sure about 01s and Kicks? That has been addressed in a different thread.

You're wrong about the 03s. That I do know. We're looking for a couple of specific type players. Club affiliation makes no difference. If you want to hate on ECNL that's fine. If you want to hate on LH that's fine. If you want to hate on D'feeters, that's fine. At least have some facts(not opinion) to back up what you are saying. There's enough ignorance on here already.

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