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Post by ntxsoccergirl 21/06/16, 10:24 am

Clubs are expecting players to sign contracts in just 7 days, but we still don’t have a clear understanding of what we are signing-up for. Lots of promises about being on a team that’s “almost like” ECNL, but no real information about what we are really signing up for. We were told that these teams would “mirror” the ECNL team’s schedule, including national showcases. Now I’m hearing that last year, the ECNL only had ONE Composite event all year. We were also told that the Composite teams would only play other ECNL Club’s Composite teams. Now I hear that they will also play Lake Highlands teams. We were told that the “Composite” teams would be made up of players from two birth years. Now I’m being told that the “Champions League” will be age pure. At this point we have no real idea of what these teams will look like or the actual roster size. Does anyone have any better information they can share?

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Post by Guest 21/06/16, 10:30 am

Call your coach. If he/she doesn't respond or clarify, call your DOC. I certainly wouldn't base any decision off of what you hear on here...

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Post by Mia Hamster 21/06/16, 11:11 am

I agree with the OP's concern. We did some searching in the new "composite" league teams. We got different answers from every "authority" we asked.

I get the sense this "plan" is to sign as many girls as they can, then see what they can do to offer them field time until the DA situation evolves next season. i.e. ("Champion" league, ENCL "JV" games, etc...)

Call it what you will, but it looks like the same 5 teams will play each other over and over all year long.

I personally don't get a strong feeling that this composite situation has any defined administrative direction at this time. If it did, there would be some information on the ECNL site.

Buyer beware...
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Post by Sent to the Stands 21/06/16, 11:13 am

bwgophers wrote:Call your coach.  If he/she doesn't respond or clarify, call your DOC.  I certainly wouldn't base any decision off of what you hear on here...

Thank goodness that coaches/DOCs always tell the truth.  Especially the week before signing day.
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Post by Guest 21/06/16, 11:28 am

Sent to the Stands wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Call your coach.  If he/she doesn't respond or clarify, call your DOC.  I certainly wouldn't base any decision off of what you hear on here...

Thank goodness that coaches/DOCs always tell the truth.  Especially the week before signing day.

Then don't talk to them, and base your decision off of what you hear on here.

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Post by Sent to the Stands 21/06/16, 11:33 am

bwgophers wrote:
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bwgophers wrote:Call your coach.  If he/she doesn't respond or clarify, call your DOC.  I certainly wouldn't base any decision off of what you hear on here...

Thank goodness that coaches/DOCs always tell the truth.  Especially the week before signing day.

Then don't talk to them, and base your decision off of what you hear on here.  

In all seriousness, your suggestion is not a bad one.  The problem is that in talking to several coaches and at least one DOC, they all have the same general answer.... we really don't know, because Lake Highlands has not made a final decision.  It may be an honest answer, but it also gives these clubs a pass to basically do whatever they want with these players and blame it on a late decision by Lake Highlands or a change in circumstances....
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Post by keep22 21/06/16, 11:45 am

anyway like i was saying...composite is the fruit of the sea...you can boil it, fry it, bake it, saute it but mostly it's a box of chocolates...

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Post by keep22 21/06/16, 11:47 am

with nuts

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Post by Guest 21/06/16, 11:53 am

bwgophers wrote:
Sent to the Stands wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Call your coach.  If he/she doesn't respond or clarify, call your DOC.  I certainly wouldn't base any decision off of what you hear on here...

Thank goodness that coaches/DOCs always tell the truth.  Especially the week before signing day.

Then don't talk to them, and base your decision off of what you hear on here.  

Isn't that what everyone on here does? I know I make all my decisions off what bw says.

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Post by Guest 21/06/16, 11:55 am

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bwgophers wrote:
Sent to the Stands wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Call your coach.  If he/she doesn't respond or clarify, call your DOC.  I certainly wouldn't base any decision off of what you hear on here...

Thank goodness that coaches/DOCs always tell the truth.  Especially the week before signing day.

Then don't talk to them, and base your decision off of what you hear on here.  

Isn't that what everyone in here does?

It's worked wonders for me over the years. Cool

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch 21/06/16, 12:01 pm

ntxsoccergirl wrote:Clubs are expecting players to sign contracts in just 7 days, but we still don’t have a clear understanding of what we are signing-up for.  Lots of promises about being on a team that’s “almost like” ECNL, but no real information about what we are really signing up for.  We were told that these teams would “mirror” the ECNL team’s schedule, including national showcases. <-- Not True.. Now I’m hearing that last year, the ECNL only had ONE Composite event all year.  We were also told that the Composite teams would only play other ECNL Club’s Composite teams. Now I hear that they will also play Lake Highlands teams. We were told that the “Composite” teams would be made up of players from two birth years.  Now I’m being told that the “Champions League” will be age pure.  At this point we have no real idea of what these teams will look like or the actual roster size.  Does anyone have any better information they can share?

I have mentioned this before, there is no ECNL Composite teams schedule that will "mirror" the ECNL teams schedule. If there is, it will be similar to Jr ECNL events that's it.
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Post by Guest 21/06/16, 12:50 pm

This is the info I have, and I am nothing more than a poster on this forum, so take it at face value, and for whatever you deem it's worth...

This info is ~2 weeks old, so details may have changed.  However, I have gotten consistent information from sources I have from both the league side, and my DD's club side, and all of the moves that I have observed my DD's club make with regards to LH byes, etc. have all been consistent with the information I have been given...

- Champions League will be as many as 16 teams.  Maybe less in some/all age groups, but not more.
- Champions League will be US Club Sanctioned, but will NOT be directly tied to ECNL in any way
- Each of the 10 ECNL Texas Conference clubs gets 1 "automatic" invite into the league.  These are intended to be the previously mentioned "composite" teams.  Whether or not any club continues to refers to them as "composite" or not, I don't know.
- Top 3 finishers from LH D1 last year will also get an invite to Champions League.  Those teams will also get invites into USYSA Premier League, but will be required to choose between participating in one or the other.  If a top 3 team declines their bid into ChL, the 4th place team from LH D1 will receive an invite, but LH will not go beyond 4th place for ChL.  (Don't know how this applies to PL invites).
- Top 2 finishers from STX USC (US Club) league get invites into ChL
- 1 OK team will receive an invite into ChL (Not sure how that will be determined)
- ChL will have single year divisions from U14-U18.  From what I am seeing/hearing, at least some of the ECNL clubs have already altered their plans along these lines, from the original 2-year grouping that was discussed for the composite teams.
- LH has indicated/committed that they will work with the ECNL clubs to synchronize ChL league schedule with ECNL league schedule so that ChL games between ECNL clubs will be played on the same day, and in close proximity to the ECNL league games.  i.e. If Texans and Solar ECNL are schedule to play on a particular date, LH will do their best to schedule the Texans/Solar ChL games on the same date in a nearby location.
- Intentions are that roster rules will be fairly "open" to allow for movement of players back and forth between ChL and ECNL rosters.  To what degree clubs will use this flexibility is up to the club, but the intention is to build the flexibility into the league rules.
- I am not sure if rules prevent playing in both LHGCL and ChL, but my understanding is that it will be difficult for teams to do so, simply due to number of games.  I am seeing at least 2 ECNL clubs that are planning on having their "composite" teams play ONLY in ChL (+ showcases/tourneys).

Like I said, everything I have heard and seen from my DD's club is consistent with what I have listed above.  Whether all of the ECNL clubs are making similar moves according to what is above, I can not say.

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Post by go99 21/06/16, 01:07 pm

it's pretty simple. The composite is basically ecnl lite. The schedule will mirror the ECNL schedule because its easier for the clubs to manage. It will not be on the ECNL site because it is not an ECNL league. This is not Jr ECNL. Also you should see composite players cross over to both ecnl and CL depending on club and ability
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Post by SD69 21/06/16, 01:36 pm

Wonder if LH will have a 1 game per day rule for Champ League and Classic League like they had with CPP between classic divisions last year.
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Post by Guest 21/06/16, 03:30 pm

bwgophers wrote:This is the info I have, and I am nothing more than a poster on this forum, so take it at face value, and for whatever you deem it's worth...

This info is ~2 weeks old, so details may have changed.  However, I have gotten consistent information from sources I have from both the league side, and my DD's club side, and all of the moves that I have observed my DD's club make with regards to LH byes, etc. have all been consistent with the information I have been given...

- Champions League will be as many as 16 teams.  Maybe less in some/all age groups, but not more.
- Champions League will be US Club Sanctioned, but will NOT be directly tied to ECNL in any way
- Each of the 10 ECNL Texas Conference clubs gets 1 "automatic" invite into the league.  These are intended to be the previously mentioned "composite" teams.  Whether or not any club continues to refers to them as "composite" or not, I don't know.
- Top 3 finishers from LH D1 last year will also get an invite to Champions League.  Those teams will also get invites into USYSA Premier League, but will be required to choose between participating in one or the other.  If a top 3 team declines their bid into ChL, the 4th place team from LH D1 will receive an invite, but LH will not go beyond 4th place for ChL.  (Don't know how this applies to PL invites).
- Top 2 finishers from STX USC (US Club) league get invites into ChL
- 1 OK team will receive an invite into ChL (Not sure how that will be determined)
- ChL will have single year divisions from U14-U18.  From what I am seeing/hearing, at least some of the ECNL clubs have already altered their plans along these lines, from the original 2-year grouping that was discussed for the composite teams.
- LH has indicated/committed that they will work with the ECNL clubs to synchronize ChL league schedule with ECNL league schedule so that ChL games between ECNL clubs will be played on the same day, and in close proximity to the ECNL league games.  i.e. If Texans and Solar ECNL are schedule to play on a particular date, LH will do their best to schedule the Texans/Solar ChL games on the same date in a nearby location.
- Intentions are that roster rules will be fairly "open" to allow for movement of players back and forth between ChL and ECNL rosters.  To what degree clubs will use this flexibility is up to the club, but the intention is to build the flexibility into the league rules.
- I am not sure if rules prevent playing in both LHGCL and ChL, but my understanding is that it will be difficult for teams to do so, simply due to number of games.  I am seeing at least 2 ECNL clubs that are planning on having their "composite" teams play ONLY in ChL (+ showcases/tourneys).

Like I said, everything I have heard and seen from my DD's club is consistent with what I have listed above.  Whether all of the ECNL clubs are making similar moves according to what is above, I can not say.

C'mon now bw. You know you're like the great and powerful Oz. Pull back the curtain of Lake Highlands and ECNL and there you are. Turning the hand cranks and pulling the levers to make that big smoke and mirror show work.

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Post by Guest 21/06/16, 03:35 pm

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bwgophers wrote:This is the info I have, and I am nothing more than a poster on this forum, so take it at face value, and for whatever you deem it's worth...

This info is ~2 weeks old, so details may have changed.  However, I have gotten consistent information from sources I have from both the league side, and my DD's club side, and all of the moves that I have observed my DD's club make with regards to LH byes, etc. have all been consistent with the information I have been given...

- Champions League will be as many as 16 teams.  Maybe less in some/all age groups, but not more.
- Champions League will be US Club Sanctioned, but will NOT be directly tied to ECNL in any way
- Each of the 10 ECNL Texas Conference clubs gets 1 "automatic" invite into the league.  These are intended to be the previously mentioned "composite" teams.  Whether or not any club continues to refers to them as "composite" or not, I don't know.
- Top 3 finishers from LH D1 last year will also get an invite to Champions League.  Those teams will also get invites into USYSA Premier League, but will be required to choose between participating in one or the other.  If a top 3 team declines their bid into ChL, the 4th place team from LH D1 will receive an invite, but LH will not go beyond 4th place for ChL.  (Don't know how this applies to PL invites).
- Top 2 finishers from STX USC (US Club) league get invites into ChL
- 1 OK team will receive an invite into ChL (Not sure how that will be determined)
- ChL will have single year divisions from U14-U18.  From what I am seeing/hearing, at least some of the ECNL clubs have already altered their plans along these lines, from the original 2-year grouping that was discussed for the composite teams.
- LH has indicated/committed that they will work with the ECNL clubs to synchronize ChL league schedule with ECNL league schedule so that ChL games between ECNL clubs will be played on the same day, and in close proximity to the ECNL league games.  i.e. If Texans and Solar ECNL are schedule to play on a particular date, LH will do their best to schedule the Texans/Solar ChL games on the same date in a nearby location.
- Intentions are that roster rules will be fairly "open" to allow for movement of players back and forth between ChL and ECNL rosters.  To what degree clubs will use this flexibility is up to the club, but the intention is to build the flexibility into the league rules.
- I am not sure if rules prevent playing in both LHGCL and ChL, but my understanding is that it will be difficult for teams to do so, simply due to number of games.  I am seeing at least 2 ECNL clubs that are planning on having their "composite" teams play ONLY in ChL (+ showcases/tourneys).

Like I said, everything I have heard and seen from my DD's club is consistent with what I have listed above.  Whether all of the ECNL clubs are making similar moves according to what is above, I can not say.

C'mon now bw. You know you're like the great and powerful Oz. Pull back the curtain of Lake Highlands and ECNL and there you are. Turning the hand cranks and pulling the levers to make that big smoke and mirror show work.

Pay no attention to the fat man hiding behind his keyboard...

Although it's been 3 hours since I posted that summary, and no one has come on here, or PM'd me yet to tell me that it's incorrect, or that they have heard something drastically different... again, for whatever that is worth. Rolling Eyes

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Post by SD69 21/06/16, 04:22 pm

I'm not disputing your claims, I actually agree with them as I've heard pretty much the same thing from team mgr. I'd just like to know who all will be in the league and their coaches since DD is on one of these teams.

Probably find out sometime mid July...
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Post by AtThePitch 21/06/16, 04:29 pm

actually, just got posted on the LH website..

www.girlsclassicleague.org
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Post by wxyz 21/06/16, 05:35 pm

AtThePitch wrote:actually, just got posted on the LH website..

www.girlsclassicleague.org

What got posted on the LH website? I don't see anything new since 6/16 (prelim placement list).

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Post by SD69 21/06/16, 05:43 pm

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Post by SteamingBean 21/06/16, 05:46 pm

AtThePitch wrote:actually, just got posted on the LH website..

www.girlsclassicleague.org

dangit you got me. I've been RA'd once again. Good work
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Post by go99 21/06/16, 05:48 pm

Must be the cookies in your browser. Just click the link and it will take you right to it
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Post by wxyz 21/06/16, 09:07 pm

go99 wrote:Must be the cookies in your browser. Just click the link and it will take you right to it
I am not that stupid! Besides, cookies have nothing to do with what I see on the website. You should have tried "buffer" or "proxy site".

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Post by SD69 22/06/16, 02:05 pm

bwgophers wrote:This is the info I have, and I am nothing more than a poster on this forum, so take it at face value, and for whatever you deem it's worth...
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- Each of the 10 ECNL Texas Conference clubs gets 1 "automatic" invite into the league.  These are intended to be the previously mentioned "composite" teams.  Whether or not any club continues to refers to them as "composite" or not, I don't know.
- Top 3 finishers from LH D1 last year will also get an invite to Champions League.  Those teams will also get invites into USYSA Premier League, but will be required to choose between participating in one or the other.  If a top 3 team declines their bid into ChL, the 4th place team from LH D1 will receive an invite, but LH will not go beyond 4th place for ChL.  (Don't know how this applies to PL invites).
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If these two rules are correct, I wonder how the clubs will utilize these 2 rules. The ECNL5 get an automatic bye, but the league also allows the top 3 (or 4) from D1 the previous year to enter.

So assuming everyone plays up for arguements sake, LP Elite would get admission, but will FC Dallas and Texans use their top 3 status to get that bye into ChL and then use their auto bye for a less strong team that wouldn't normally get in giving these teams two entries into ChL? Or is the top 3 rule only for use by the non-ECNL clubs?
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Post by Teufel Hunden 22/06/16, 02:48 pm

Great explanations and opinions on the Composite stuff by earlier posters...however, I still have a few questions / points / concerns with this new environment that is coming upon us.

I think it is all great that composite rosters and ECNL rosters will have the "flexibility" to move players "up" from Composite and move players "down" from ECNL creating a competitive environment. The question that I have regarding my statement, is How real will it be? How will it actually work in reality? In normal circumstances (before this Composite stuff). you have dual rostered players; these players "technically" were on the bubble, project type players that by exposing them with better training (assuming they trained with ECNL at least part of the time) and more playing time with the second team (normally the LH D1 team) they may have a chance to step on the ECNL field. However, from what I have seen and by talking to other parents most dual rostered players don't.

1- How big are the composite rosters? Some players have been sold the composite spot with the idea that they could possibly play in ECNL games; It may be true for a player or two that are truly on the bubble as I explained above, but what about the rest of the team? Yes you are closer to ECNL but you are NOT ECNL...
2- The three LH teams invited to the Champions League will not be the same teams that got them there. Most of those players would have already been (or have been by now) gobbled up by the 5 composite teams that need to be formed by the ECNL clubs. So when a composite team plays a LH team in the Champions league I do not expect to see a very competitive game
3- Using my previous point as a Segway; Although briefly mentioned in other threads, the impact that the new champions league will have on the "regular" LH league from a quality perspective, in my opinion will be great for this coming LH season, aside from the bigger clubs (I am mostly referring to the bigger 3), all other clubs are struggling to field quality players to for their LH D1, D2 and D3 teams and avoid losing their team/club bye due to players being offered composite spots. These players are coming from somewhere, and I will go on a limb (expect some backlash) to state that these are players landing D1 / D2 spots that otherwise would have NOT in normal circumstances. As a sub-point, from what I have seen by attending several tryout events at several clubs, the talent pool range for composite is very wide, meaning that there are players that should stay back and strengthen the LH D1/D2/D3 teams and getting better by playing versus sitting on the composite team bench....repeating my point above, composite is NOT ECNL nor ECNL lite as another poster indicated.
4- Back to the composite item; I am afraid that once contracts are signed and the true understanding on how YOUR player will be impacted, I think that there will be may unhappy players/ parents due to the fact that the "opportunities" offered by accepting a composite spot may not be there as initially thought with the exception for the few players that will truly benefit....at the end, maybe that is what it is for; to have a vehicle (composite / Champions league) to keep / retain an extended pool of players that can be groomed and used as needed, but IMHO, very far from the extent to which players and parents are led to believe.

All above are strictly my thoughts and opinions (maybe a little scatter-shooting). I am just another dad that is trying to understand the reality that is coming our (my) way. I am not a conspirator, but the lack of formal sanctioning body type of information and ambiguity, in my opinion is by design. I have no proof or anything indicating such a thing, this is plainly just how I feel. scratch
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