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Post by soccerjack 11/07/16, 09:25 pm

nmkjc wrote:Ok, so for the lack of clarity, you DO get invited to play on the GDA team? I was wanting to know how you get to play for a GDA team.

I think you just join a da or ecnl club at a young age and your dd will be put at the top of the list....as long as you pay and are loyal.

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Post by Guest 11/07/16, 09:35 pm

nmkjc wrote:Ok, so for the lack of clarity, you DO get invited to play on the GDA team? I was wanting to know how you get to play for a GDA team.

From ussf docs, clubs are supposed to scout players and recruit them into training pools for evaluation over a period of time (as opposed to having mass tryouts).

Not sure if the structure has been finalized, but as of a few months back I was told the DA club teams would roll up to one fully sponsored area DA team with players selected from any club. How or who selects the players for the sponsored DA team...dunno. This was not official info.....don't quote me if turns out to be wrong.

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Post by Guest 11/07/16, 09:42 pm

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nmkjc wrote:Ok, so for the lack of clarity, you DO get invited to play on the GDA team? I was wanting to know how you get to play for a GDA team.

I think you just join a da or ecnl club at a young age and your dd will be put at the top of the list....as long as you pay and are loyal.

I know your being a smartbutt, but you're not far off. From what I can tell, coaches can't help themselves from overrating the players they know.

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Post by soccerjack 11/07/16, 09:52 pm

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nmkjc wrote:Ok, so for the lack of clarity, you DO get invited to play on the GDA team? I was wanting to know how you get to play for a GDA team.

I think you just join a da or ecnl club at a young age and your dd will be put at the top of the list....as long as you pay and are loyal.

I know your being a smartbutt, but you're not far off. From what I can tell, coaches can't help themselves from overrating the players they know.

Just calling it for what it is. 5 ecnl clubs...now 4 da clubs. Remains to be seen how it's handled. This is a money biz. They picked one club that's all about the number$. Not that the others aren't...time will tell. My guess is.,..just another level to lure the seekers of watercooler convo. Reality is when some parents learn of ecnl..da...titles they seek it out at younger ages and those clubs make mo money.
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Post by Zizou 11/07/16, 10:19 pm

These clubs had been making a lot of money before ECNL and DA. Water cooler convo existed well before.

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Post by TulsaFootballDad 11/07/16, 10:21 pm

Just calling it for what it is. 5 ecnl clubs...now 4 da clubs. Remains to be seen how it's handled. This is a money biz.  They picked one club that's all about the number$. Not that the others aren't...time will tell.  My guess is.,..just another level to lure the seekers of watercooler convo. Reality is when some parents learn of ecnl..da...titles they seek it out at younger ages and those clubs make mo money. [/quote]

Well if they are achieving titles in DA should they not be considered developing. And parents want to know their money is going towards something when they place their child at an Academy. Titles are tangible results, that could only happen through development. Kids still have to gel as a team even among all stars.
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Post by go99 12/07/16, 04:10 am

First, I don't buy that sticking around an American youth program where you dominate the majority of your competition, in games that don't have much significance, is anywhere close to the pressure teams face that must produce results or go home. It certainly doesn't seem comparable to the pressure kids at a pro academy like Barca face, where they truly are competing against the best to keep a spot, day in - day out.

Second, Barca doesn't claim winning hurts development. Their contention is focusing on WINNING AT ALL COSTS hurts YOUTH development, since it encourages you to skip focusing on technique and value the wrong attributes at too early an age (physical instead of mental). Don't dumb it down and claim their philosophy is winning hurts development.

Consider for GDA we are talking 14 to 19-year-olds. Barca's youth from Barca B, Juvenil A and on back, are involved in competitions, leagues and tournaments. The key thing is they seek to COMPETE, and compete at a high level. This requires adequate COMPETITION, not glorified scrimmages, and not 50% of your games against teams which are happy to go back home with a draw having kept it close with park the bus tactics. The point I'm making isn't about winning at all costs, it's about whether NTX has actually weakened its competitive landscape with the expansion of the new leagues the last 6 or 7 years. If DA is going after all the same clubs, even those already struggling to compete at the top level, maybe GDA should consider tweaking the model a bit to bring in an element of COMPETITION. I distinctly remember a boys DA game I reffed years ago. I really did get the impression the players could give a damn about the game. The sidelines were quiet except for one side's loud, abrasive coach. The kids were talented, but the whole thing just had this soulless (glorified scrimmage) feel to it.


Thank you BUT you basically agreed with exactly what I was saying you just didn't like the simplified way I said it. read the comments and what people are saying is winning at all cost IS what matters.  This or that club don't belong because the don't WIN, at 10 you have to qualify to determine the future direction of the team so you must WIN at all cost, titles in DA is developing.  Now out of all of the situations where kids, coaches, teams must WIN it is why we play the way we do because you can play mouth service to development but in the end the only thing that matters is if you win.
Now the DA yes the competitive landscape is watered down.  You could certainly ask why the boys DA was reduced to 3 NTX clubs while the girls were brought in at 4 (bigger girl talent pool or better connected clubs?) but the reduction of clubs ignores the politics of the area.  When one club was dropped in boys the theory is the most talented boys would be filtered into the remaining teams pushing out those at the bottom.  What really happened is maybe the very top were picked up but many of the others were just pushed out of the DA system.  The bigger net is not only need to cut down travel cost but to also help not miss talent.  As far as glorified scrimmages that is a result of unlike Barca and many other global academies the kids are not fighting for their lives at the club.  You know what matters more than winning at BArca? developing and playing well enough so you get to stay next season.  Many of the kids here know they will be there next season so there is no pressure.
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Post by FCT2016 12/07/16, 08:13 am

Glad you mentioned how Barca do it Go99. Barcas boys are identified and put into a system where they are pushed technically. There is no real focus on results because they generally outplay the opposition and that's all that matters.

Whilst I'm sure DA will have its issues it may end up finally identifying the technically gifted players from the one dimensional athletes. Let's hope so for NTX soccers sake.

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Post by Guest 12/07/16, 08:57 am

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Whilst I'm sure DA will have its issues it may end up finally identifying the technically gifted players from the one dimensional athletes. Let's hope so for NTX soccers sake.

Hopefully, the 50/50 split by birth-year will be executed. The younger players would be more likely to be selected based on their ceiling. Of course, we would argue about those assessments. Very Happy

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Post by Guest 12/07/16, 10:51 am

go99 wrote:Thank you BUT you basically agreed with exactly what I was saying you just didn't like the simplified way I said it. read the comments and what people are saying is winning at all cost IS what matters.  This or that club don't belong because the don't WIN, at 10 you have to qualify to determine the future direction of the team so you must WIN at all cost, titles in DA is developing.  Now out of all of the situations where kids, coaches, teams must WIN it is why we play the way we do because you can play mouth service to development but in the end the only thing that matters is if you win.
Now the DA yes the competitive landscape is watered down.


Maybe it was lost that I capitalized COMPETE a ton of times. We're not talking about winning for the sake of W/L records. We're talking about COMPETITION having an impact on development, and the fact even the world's best academies acknowledge this.

I wasn't advocating for OFC in DA because of their W/L record. Of all the times I've watched them play, not ONCE have I seen OFC win a game against a top NTX team. That's not the point. They can play out of the back. They clearly have players with touch and are comfortable on the ball. They attack with combination play and creative movement. They don't sit back the entire game in their own third with 10 players behind the ball.  They have multiple players in youth national team pools.

It means they represent quality COMPETITION with players at roughly the same level, benefiting all sides. Why would that NOT be better for NTX versus games against teams that cannot play our top sides straight up?

We cannot just cut and paste competition structures of international academies and drop them here, for boys or girls. A kid added to a barca or clairefontaine is automatically a rock star in their community. Competition for him doesn't have to be manufactured or contrived. The carrot at the end of the stick is massive. Here, a kid added to a DA team doesn't have the same incentives, standards or competition.

Making yet another closed system where spots are perpetually guaranteed and large competitive imbalances exist between top and bottom doesn't seem like the best we can do.

We're Americans. Maybe throwing out competition is relieving us of one our cultural assets. Maybe USSF SHOULD figure out how to inject an element of COMPETITION into DA. Maybe setup 2 tiers, and give the blue bloods their permanent DA spots in the top tier. But then open up a few spots in both tiers for individual teams to play their way in. If a blue blood fails assessments for multiple years, kick their guaranteed spot to 2nd tier, or make them earn their way in like the other non-permanent clubs. Clearly DA assessments won't be only about W/L, as they shouldn't be. But can't imagine a club would be putting out teams with -80 goal differential year on year in most every age group and that not be a reflection on their development.

This competitive aspect will not REQUIRE teams focus on winning at the expense of development. That is a CHOICE made by coaches, influenced by parents. What it will do is REQUIRE them to COMPETE.

A good # of coaches don't win, and don't develop either, but can claim they don't win because they are developing. A smaller # focus on development and don't win much, but proof is in their individual players moving on to higher levels with some regularity. Some win with tactics that are undeniably anti-development. But CLEARLY, there ARE coaches in NTX who win a ton of games AND develop their players along the way. Winning in and of itself says nothing about HOW the wins are coming unless/until you watch the product on the field.

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Post by TulsaFootballDad 12/07/16, 12:16 pm

Maybe if MLS would have relegation with lower leagues this would become a starting point but when money is the #1 factor its not in USSF's or any leagues interest to change their model. Development starts with little kids, the focus should be there. Uniformity on structure, would help immensely.
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Post by tpitty 12/07/16, 01:23 pm

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soccerjack wrote:
nmkjc wrote:Ok, so for the lack of clarity, you DO get invited to play on the GDA team? I was wanting to know how you get to play for a GDA team.

I think you just join a da or ecnl club at a young age and your dd will be put at the top of the list....as long as you pay and are loyal.

I know your being a smartbutt, but you're not far off. From what I can tell, coaches can't help themselves from overrating the players they know.

On the boys side, I have seen many lifelong youth club players cut or benched for better players that are recruited/ or that try out. They may be favored early, but don't kid yourself that when a better kid comes along, the club "lifer" will be replaced.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 12/07/16, 04:23 pm

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go99 wrote:Thank you BUT you basically agreed with exactly what I was saying you just didn't like the simplified way I said it. read the comments and what people are saying is winning at all cost IS what matters.  This or that club don't belong because the don't WIN, at 10 you have to qualify to determine the future direction of the team so you must WIN at all cost, titles in DA is developing.  Now out of all of the situations where kids, coaches, teams must WIN it is why we play the way we do because you can play mouth service to development but in the end the only thing that matters is if you win.
Now the DA yes the competitive landscape is watered down.


Maybe it was lost that I capitalized COMPETE a ton of times. We're not talking about winning for the sake of W/L records. We're talking about COMPETITION having an impact on development, and the fact even the world's best academies acknowledge this.

I wasn't advocating for OFC in DA because of their W/L record. Of all the times I've watched them play, not ONCE have I seen OFC win a game against a top NTX team. That's not the point. They can play out of the back. They clearly have players with touch and are comfortable on the ball. They attack with combination play and creative movement. They don't sit back the entire game in their own third with 10 players behind the ball.  They have multiple players in youth national team pools.

It means they represent quality COMPETITION with players at roughly the same level, benefiting all sides. Why would that NOT be better for NTX versus games against teams that cannot play our top sides straight up?

We cannot just cut and paste competition structures of international academies and drop them here, for boys or girls. A kid added to a barca or clairefontaine is automatically a rock star in their community. Competition for him doesn't have to be manufactured or contrived. The carrot at the end of the stick is massive. Here, a kid added to a DA team doesn't have the same incentives, standards or competition.

Making yet another closed system where spots are perpetually guaranteed and large competitive imbalances exist between top and bottom doesn't seem like the best we can do.

We're Americans. Maybe throwing out competition is relieving us of one our cultural assets. Maybe USSF SHOULD figure out how to inject an element of COMPETITION into DA. Maybe setup 2 tiers, and give the blue bloods their permanent DA spots in the top tier. But then open up a few spots in both tiers for individual teams to play their way in. If a blue blood fails assessments for multiple years, kick their guaranteed spot to 2nd tier, or make them earn their way in like the other non-permanent clubs. Clearly DA assessments won't be only about W/L, as they shouldn't be. But can't imagine a club would be putting out teams with -80 goal differential year on year in most every age group and that not be a reflection on their development.

This competitive aspect will not REQUIRE teams focus on winning at the expense of development. That is a CHOICE made by coaches, influenced by parents. What it will do is REQUIRE them to COMPETE.

A good # of coaches don't win, and don't develop either, but can claim they don't win because they are developing. A smaller # focus on development and don't win much, but proof is in their individual players moving on to higher levels with some regularity. Some win with tactics that are undeniably anti-development. But CLEARLY, there ARE coaches in NTX who win a ton of games AND develop their players along the way. Winning in and of itself says nothing about HOW the wins are coming unless/until you watch the product on the field.

I really ENJOY your USE of the ALLCAPS.  But YOU through me OFF a little with the bold.  Cool
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Post by Guest 12/07/16, 04:54 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
I really ENJOY your USE of the ALLCAPS.  But YOU through me OFF a little with the bold.  Cool

Who Me? Over the TOP? YOU know SOMETIMES you get on a roll...and just HAVE to let it FLOW.

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Post by FCT2016 12/07/16, 05:15 pm

Score from womens game earlier today
England U19 1-0 USA U19

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Post by TulsaFootballDad 12/07/16, 05:50 pm

FCT2016 wrote:Score from womens game earlier today
England U19 1-0 USA U19

Second game coming up!
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