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Post by SweepFeet 01/11/16, 10:08 pm

1/3 of SEC all-conference players played in the ECNL Texas division. An impressive list of talented players with well-deserved recognition!

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/?p=4807



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Post by ElClassico 02/11/16, 01:30 am

What's more interesting to me is that 38% of the players currently playing in the SEC were not ECNL.
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Post by SweepFeet 02/11/16, 05:38 am

ElClassico wrote:What's more interesting to me is that 38% of the players currently playing in the SEC were not ECNL.

This is a good point. The ECNL mix seems fairly consistent across other conferences as well. For example, 65% ECNL players in the Big 12.
http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/ecnl-college-impact-the-big-12-conference/

My reference is more about the talented Texas kids, more specifically DFW players, who are playing well in one of the top soccer conferences in US.
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Post by Zizou 02/11/16, 05:48 am

ElClassico wrote:What's more interesting to me is that 38% of the players currently playing in the SEC were not ECNL.


Lol

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Post by SoccerTexas 02/11/16, 08:56 am

ElClassico wrote:What's more interesting to me is that 38% of the players currently playing in the SEC were not ECNL.

Havent done the analysis but how many of the SEC players came from TopHat prior to them joining ECNL?

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Post by Andwhynot? 02/11/16, 09:27 am

ElClassico wrote:What's more interesting to me is that 38% of the players currently playing in the SEC were not ECNL.

Is it? Somebody has to watch the ECNL girls play from the bench even at a college level...
Under 100 ECNL clubs in the US...
332 Div 1 schools alone...

Hate to throw numbers at it, but seems like 62% is pretty solid.
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Post by tpitty 02/11/16, 09:54 am

oh dang. Shocked

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Post by ElClassico 02/11/16, 10:14 am

SweepFeet wrote:
ElClassico wrote:What's more interesting to me is that 38% of the players currently playing in the SEC were not ECNL.

This is a good point. The ECNL mix seems fairly consistent across other conferences as well. For example, 65% ECNL players in the Big 12.
http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/ecnl-college-impact-the-big-12-conference/

My reference is more about the talented Texas kids, more specifically DFW players, who are playing well in one of the top soccer conferences in US.

I wasn't knocking the ECNL girls...Kudos to them. My point was more a shot at all those coaches who tell 12 year olds and their parents that ECNL is the only path to college. I think you'll find the percentage of girls that participated in ODP just as high as the ECNL numbers. Also, if you take a look you'll notice the girls are fairly to very successful students academically, played multiple sports, and even played for their high school soccer teams Shocked

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Post by Lefty 02/11/16, 12:55 pm

Maybe a more relevant question for this forum is how many DD's from NTX are currently playing D1 soccer and did NOT play ECNL?

Or even more specific. How many DD's from NTX are currently playing on a Power 5 Conference team and did NOT play ECNL?

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Post by 5050Ball 02/11/16, 08:19 pm

Class of 2016
103 NTX kids on D1 rosters
24 of those from non-ECNL teams
1 of those did not play club soccer during recruiting years

Of the 24, 3 play in one of those 5 conferences.
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Post by Zizou 02/11/16, 09:31 pm

DD went to four ODP Regional Camps and it reminded me of a ECNL convention. DD was hanging out with players from other states that she was competing against in ECNL national events. Extra late evening training sessions were littered with ECNL players.

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Post by ElClassico 02/11/16, 11:31 pm

I'd expect there to be a higher ratio of ECNL from Texas as there is more of an opportunity to play due to the number of teams. By some of the overall records of the Texas clubs one could argue there are too many teams.

Albion Hurricanes FC 30-64-29
D’Feeters 35-62-23
Texas Rush 43-58-21

Keep in mind that 17 states don't have ECNL and 7 more only have one team yet they're are plenty of D1 programs around. It would be interesting to see how those programs shake out. My guess in someone like Arkansas is ECNL heavy due to the number of NTX players nearby, but Utah, BYU, WV, etc are less.

I think the real interesting thing are the number of foreign players being brought in to these college programs. I remember watching FSU a while back and it seemed half the team was from overseas so I just checked...7 out of 24 players.
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Post by Guest 03/11/16, 12:23 am

5050Ball wrote:Class of 2016
103 NTX kids on D1 rosters
 24 of those from non-ECNL teams
   1 of those did not play club soccer during recruiting years

Of the 24, 3 play in one of those 5 conferences.

How many of the 78 NTX ECNL D1 players are on a power 5 conference team?

Not trying to make any point one way or another. Just curious what % of the ECNL players go Power 5 vs non-Power 5.

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Post by 5050Ball 03/11/16, 08:47 am

bwgophers wrote:
5050Ball wrote:Class of 2016
103 NTX kids on D1 rosters
 24 of those from non-ECNL teams
   1 of those did not play club soccer during recruiting years

Of the 24, 3 play in one of those 5 conferences.

How many of the 78 NTX ECNL D1 players are on a power 5 conference team?

Not trying to make any point one way or another.  Just curious what % of the ECNL players go Power 5 vs non-Power 5.

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Post by SoccerTexas 03/11/16, 09:25 am

ElClassico wrote:I'd expect there to be a higher ratio of ECNL from Texas as there is more of an opportunity to play due to the number of teams. By some of the overall records of the Texas clubs one could argue there are too many teams.

Albion Hurricanes FC 30-64-29
D’Feeters 35-62-23
Texas Rush 43-58-21

Keep in mind that 17 states don't have ECNL and 7 more only have one team yet they're are plenty of D1 programs around. It would be interesting to see how those programs shake out. My guess in someone like Arkansas is ECNL heavy due to the number of NTX players nearby, but Utah, BYU, WV, etc are less.

I think the real interesting thing are the number of foreign players being brought in to these college programs. I remember watching FSU a while back and it seemed half the team was from overseas so I just checked...7 out of 24 players.

The reference to "D1" is also overused as a reference for the quality of the program.  Prairie View, Grambling, Alcorn, Iona, Lamar, Winthrop etc all D1 programs for example.  There is a fairly steep drop in quality after about 150 of the 334 D1 programs.

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Post by 5050Ball 03/11/16, 10:08 am

No question. Plenty of D3 and NAIA schools have better soccer and academic programs than some D1s.

Still, in that sub-150 category, there are places like Villanova, Cornell, Colgate and Davidson. Pretty decent places to get an education.

And why the hate on the Mighty Gaels? LOL
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Post by db10 03/11/16, 01:50 pm

SoccerTexas wrote:
ElClassico wrote:I'd expect there to be a higher ratio of ECNL from Texas as there is more of an opportunity to play due to the number of teams. By some of the overall records of the Texas clubs one could argue there are too many teams.

Albion Hurricanes FC 30-64-29
D’Feeters 35-62-23
Texas Rush 43-58-21

Keep in mind that 17 states don't have ECNL and 7 more only have one team yet they're are plenty of D1 programs around. It would be interesting to see how those programs shake out. My guess in someone like Arkansas is ECNL heavy due to the number of NTX players nearby, but Utah, BYU, WV, etc are less.

I think the real interesting thing are the number of foreign players being brought in to these college programs. I remember watching FSU a while back and it seemed half the team was from overseas so I just checked...7 out of 24 players.

The reference to "D1" is also overused as a reference for the quality of the program.  Prairie View, Grambling, Alcorn, Iona, Lamar, Winthrop etc all D1 programs for example.  There is a fairly steep drop in quality after about 150 of the 334 D1 programs.

Iona? Jeez, where did you pull them from? I grew up down the street from the Gaels.

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Post by Guest 03/11/16, 02:25 pm

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Iona? Jeez, where did you pull them from? I grew up down the street from the Gaels.

New Rochelle... Well THAT explains alot!!! Razz

(JK... Spent a few nights in North Ave bars back in the late '80's... Nice area.)

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Post by db10 03/11/16, 03:09 pm

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Iona? Jeez, where did you pull them from? I grew up down the street from the Gaels.

New Rochelle...  Well THAT explains alot!!! Razz

(JK...  Spent a few nights in North Ave bars back in the late '80's...  Nice area.)

Might of ran into you around that time...I was testing the management's interpretation of legal drinking age at a few of those establishments.

Are you from NY?

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Post by Guest 03/11/16, 04:25 pm

db10 wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
db10 wrote:

Iona? Jeez, where did you pull them from? I grew up down the street from the Gaels.

New Rochelle...  Well THAT explains alot!!! Razz

(JK...  Spent a few nights in North Ave bars back in the late '80's...  Nice area.)

Might of ran into you around that time...I was testing the management's interpretation of legal drinking age at a few of those establishments.

Are you from NY?

Born and raised upstate - Albany area. Moved to Northern Westchester (Somers) for last couple years of HS + College. Had some college friends from NR, and used to get together to party with them on North Ave when we were home on breaks. Been in TX since '94 though.

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Post by rzrFC 04/11/16, 09:33 am

ElClassico wrote:I'd expect there to be a higher ratio of ECNL from Texas as there is more of an opportunity to play due to the number of teams. By some of the overall records of the Texas clubs one could argue there are too many teams.

Albion Hurricanes FC 30-64-29
D’Feeters 35-62-23
Texas Rush 43-58-21

Keep in mind that 17 states don't have ECNL and 7 more only have one team yet they're are plenty of D1 programs around. It would be interesting to see how those programs shake out. My guess in someone like Arkansas is ECNL heavy due to the number of NTX players nearby, but Utah, BYU, WV, etc are less.

I think the real interesting thing are the number of foreign players being brought in to these college programs. I remember watching FSU a while back and it seemed half the team was from overseas so I just checked...7 out of 24 players.

How do you propose not having some Texas clubs with a losing record while playing in a conference that has all but 1 Texas club?

On a different note, you can enjoy a NTX ECNL all-star game this evening at 7:00 on the SEC Channel. Casie Ramsier has been on several watch (Hermann) lists and scored a hat trick against TN on Wednesday.

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Post by ElClassico 04/11/16, 12:32 pm

Because at least one of those clubs hasn't been relevant in ECNL since Disco. So at some point the talent is dropping off and getting watered down. If it wasn't then you'd have more parity throughout the years. Remove the outliers and you're left with a more competitive league. I haven't checked in a while but didn't the USWNT have 4 or so players from NJ on the roster?...NJ has 2 ECNL teams, 2. Is a Mercedes really exclusive if I can buy one for less than a Honda?


Is the talent in NTX is so good that they need 5 teams yet a state like Tennessee doesn't have one?


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Post by Lefty 04/11/16, 12:48 pm

2-3 for NTX would be about right.

May even improve the style of soccer, player development and advancement.

With fewer spots they could focus exclusively on kids with the full package of athleticism, skill and soccer IQ rather than having to fill out the rosters with just size or speed players lacking in other aspects.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 04/11/16, 01:33 pm

Lefty wrote:
May even improve the style of soccer, player development and advancement.

Money is more important than ^^^^
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Post by go99 04/11/16, 01:40 pm

Okay let me introduce you guys to the real world. Reduce the number of teams and you don't improve the quality. Politics and money still play a role in NTX and those people would still have spots. What would end up happening is those truly talented players would no longer be able to find a place. The number is about right because it leaves a big enough pool for players to find spots. The concentration of talent has to do more with parental ego's of not wanting to lose or desire to play (sit) with the top team or misguided coaches. there is enough of a talent pool in NTX to field 5 competitive teams.
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