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Post by ForReal 04/11/16, 10:22 am

Curious what you think of these new rankings?  Seem fairly accurate to me.  Sting Higgy is not included as its only games are JDL games.  And, on that note, JDL games are obviously not included in the rankings, which would only increase DTS's distance from the field.

http://youthsoccerrankings.us/

1 DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH [3] 32.98
2 FC DALLAS YOUTH JDL RED [10] 32.24
3 DALLAS KICKS SC SELECAO [15] 31.93
4 SOLAR SC CHELSEA PULPANECK [39] 31.06
5 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA ELITE [65] 30.68
6 SOLAR SC CHELSEA COLVIN [75] 30.49
7 STING SC CENTRAL PARSONS [97] 30.20
8 FEVER UNITED PENN [120] 29.90
9 STING SC WEST [144] 29.66
10 FC DALLAS YOUTH JDL BLUE [151] 29.57
11 SOLAR SC CHELSEA BYARS [172] 29.38
12 NTX CELTIC FC MARSHALL [191] 29.25
13 STING SC EAST GRAY [207] 29.14
14 DALLAS TEXANS CENTRAL CENTRAL [240] 28.95
15 FC DALLAS YOUTH NORTH WHITE [248] 28.90
16 TRIUMPH FC FUTBOL AGUERO [252] 28.86
17 USA SC [282] 28.63
18 DALLAS KICKS SC JM [346] 28.32
19 NTX CELTIC FC HOFFMANN [392] 28.07
20 SOLAR SC CHELSEA HAYLOCK [395] 28.03
21 FC DALLAS YOUTH NORTH BLUE [399] 28.03
22 STING SC DALLAS GUZMAN [440] 27.87
23 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA REDKNAPP [451] 27.80
24 STING SC WEST BEAN [473] 27.71
25 STING SC WEST ROBLES [495] 27.62
26 STING SC NORTH COVEY [496] 27.61
27 STING SC NORTH SHEPARD [498] 27.60
28 TEXAS SPIRIT NORTH [507] 27.53
29 FC DALLAS YOUTH NORTH BLACK [532] 27.43
30 FC DALLAS YOUTH WEST [539] 27.42

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Post by Buddy Israel 04/11/16, 10:44 am

Not enough data yet.
Suggest at least 7 of these teams can play within a goal or 2 of DTS. And we know that's not the case.
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Post by ForReal 04/11/16, 10:56 am

No doubt about DTS. Since August, only an Oklahoma 04 team has been within a goal (not knowing all the JDL results).

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Post by soccerphun 04/11/16, 10:58 am

Overall, I think this looks fair and will certainly evolve as more games and tourneys get baked in.

Only item that jumps out at me is FCD Red. Not sure they are a #2. Solid team, but I prob would have them at #4-6.

I know they lost to DTS Adames 3-1 in Plano Labor Day. What was the score of DTS Adames v FCD Red in JDL? I believe DTS beat Solar Colvin 2-1 and Solar Pulp 1-0 but I'd be curious as to how close FCD Red played them on 10/23. Anyone know?

The JrECNL tourney later this month might provide more clarity on the Top 10
Also, Colvin tied FCD Red 2-2 in JDL. But again, I understand JDL is not part of the rankings.
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Post by ForReal 04/11/16, 11:14 am

The 10/23 game was 6-1. Not a typical result for FCD Red. But they did beat Kicks S in Labor Day and have done very well otherwise. FCD Red tied Colvin in JDL and they haven't played Pulpaneck. With more games, I do think the Solar teams will climb.

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Post by hetlevenisvoetbal 05/11/16, 09:40 pm

Here is the way I would see the top 10, Sting Higgy not on here. IMHO, I would swap Pulp with Kicks S; I would also swap Sting Parsons and Sting West. Solar Byars should not be anywhere in the top 15 since they dual roster Colvin's Kids & when they are not available it's a Second Div Team.

1 DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH
2 FC DALLAS YOUTH JDL RED
3 SOLAR SC CHELSEA PULPANECK
4 DALLAS KICKS SC SELECAO
5 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA ELITE
6 SOLAR SC CHELSEA COLVIN
7 STING SC WEST
8 STING SC CENTRAL PARSONS
9 FEVER UNITED
10 FC DALLAS YOUTH JDL BLUE
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Post by 05DD 06/11/16, 11:08 am

From what I've seen so far:
1 Texans South
2 Kicks
3 Solar Pulp
4 LP Elite
5 Solar Colvin
6 FCD Red JDL
7 Sting West
8 Fever
9 Sting Parsons
10 Texans Higgy
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Post by WisdomTeeth 06/11/16, 05:33 pm

My take
1/ DTS
2/ Pulp
3/ Kicks
4/ Colvin
5/ LP
6/ FCD
7/ Parsons
8/ Higginbottom
9/ Sting W
10/ Fever
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Post by KeeperCommander 06/11/16, 05:42 pm

1. DTS
2. DTS
3. DTS
4. DTS
5. DTS
6. DTS
7. DTS
8. DTS
9. DTS
10. DTS

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Post by Triumph FC 07/11/16, 08:52 am

[quote="ForReal"]Curious what you think of these new rankings?  Seem fairly accurate to me.  Sting Higgy is not included as its only games are JDL games.  And, on that note, JDL games are obviously not included in the rankings, which would only increase DTS's distance from the field.

http://youthsoccerrankings.us/

[table][tr][td]1 DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH [3] 32.98
2 FC DALLAS YOUTH JDL RED [10] 32.24
3 DALLAS KICKS SC SELECAO [15] 31.93
4 SOLAR SC CHELSEA PULPANECK [39] 31.06
5 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA ELITE [65] 30.68
6 SOLAR SC CHELSEA COLVIN [75] 30.49
7 STING SC CENTRAL PARSONS [97] 30.20
8 FEVER UNITED PENN [120] 29.90
9 STING SC WEST [144] 29.66
10 FC DALLAS YOUTH JDL BLUE [151] 29.57
11 SOLAR SC CHELSEA BYARS [172] 29.38
12 NTX CELTIC FC MARSHALL [191] 29.25
13 STING SC EAST GRAY [207] 29.14
14 DALLAS TEXANS CENTRAL CENTRAL [240] 28.95
15 FC DALLAS YOUTH NORTH WHITE [248] 28.90
16 TRIUMPH FC FUTBOL AGUERO [252] 28.86
17 USA SC [282] 28.63
18 DALLAS KICKS SC JM [346] 28.32
19 NTX CELTIC FC HOFFMANN [392] 28.07
20 SOLAR SC CHELSEA HAYLOCK [395] 28.03
21 FC DALLAS YOUTH NORTH BLUE [399] 28.03
22 STING SC DALLAS GUZMAN [440] 27.87
23 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA REDKNAPP [451] 27.80
24 STING SC WEST BEAN [473] 27.71
25 STING SC WEST ROBLES [495] 27.62
26 STING SC NORTH COVEY [496] 27.61
27 STING SC NORTH SHEPARD [498] 27.60
28 TEXAS SPIRIT NORTH [507] 27.53
29 FC DALLAS YOUTH NORTH BLACK [532] 27.43
30 FC DALLAS YOUTH WEST [539] 27.42[/td]

How can they seem fairly accurate when you have a team ranked at 19 that plays in PrimeTime 9v9 and is higher than a good few LH D1 teams!.
Nothing against the team and DH is a great coach but really that's accurate rankings? SMH
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Post by ForReal 07/11/16, 10:31 am

Triumph FC wrote: How can they seem fairly accurate when you have a team ranked at 19 that plays in PrimeTime 9v9 and is higher than a good few LH D1 teams!.
Nothing against the team and DH is a great coach but really that's accurate rankings? SMH

As stated on the site, "I am sure things will be a little rough for a while but the new rankings should be better than the old one's by Christmas."

That team currently has the benefit of having only ranked games being played in PrimeTime.  I would, however, like to see how the USA team does against some LH teams.  They are tearing up Plano.

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Post by KeeperCommander 07/11/16, 11:01 am

ForReal wrote:
Triumph FC wrote: How can they seem fairly accurate when you have a team ranked at 19 that plays in PrimeTime 9v9 and is higher than a good few LH D1 teams!.
Nothing against the team and DH is a great coach but really that's accurate rankings? SMH

As stated on the site, "I am sure things will be a little rough for a while but the new rankings should be better than the old one's by Christmas."

That team currently has the benefit of having only ranked games being played in PrimeTime.  I would, however, like to see how the USA team does against some LH teams.  They are tearing up Plano.
All ranking systems will be messed up when they compare teams that play in different leagues, especially ones that are as different as Plano and LH. You just have to take it for what it is worth.

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Post by justchootit 08/11/16, 11:11 am

ForReal wrote:
Triumph FC wrote: How can they seem fairly accurate when you have a team ranked at 19 that plays in PrimeTime 9v9 and is higher than a good few LH D1 teams!.
Nothing against the team and DH is a great coach but really that's accurate rankings? SMH

As stated on the site, "I am sure things will be a little rough for a while but the new rankings should be better than the old one's by Christmas."

That team currently has the benefit of having only ranked games being played in PrimeTime.  I would, however, like to see how the USA team does against some LH teams.  They are tearing up Plano.

It looks like they play Liverpool Redknapp this weekend in the NTFC tourney.....

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Post by ForReal 08/11/16, 11:27 am

justchootit wrote:
ForReal wrote:
Triumph FC wrote: How can they seem fairly accurate when you have a team ranked at 19 that plays in PrimeTime 9v9 and is higher than a good few LH D1 teams!.
Nothing against the team and DH is a great coach but really that's accurate rankings? SMH

As stated on the site, "I am sure things will be a little rough for a while but the new rankings should be better than the old one's by Christmas."

That team currently has the benefit of having only ranked games being played in PrimeTime.  I would, however, like to see how the USA team does against some LH teams.  They are tearing up Plano.

It looks like they play Liverpool Redknapp this weekend in the NTFC tourney.....

Nice scheduling.  Third game for both teams on same day.  And Redknapp in 3 different locations.  I would have liked to see them in a well-rested match.  USA beat Redknapp 4-1 in PLD.   Tough one to predict as Redknapp has definitely had the more challenging competition since then.

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Post by GOOOAL!! 14/11/16, 08:30 am

ForReal wrote:
justchootit wrote:
ForReal wrote:
Triumph FC wrote: How can they seem fairly accurate when you have a team ranked at 19 that plays in PrimeTime 9v9 and is higher than a good few LH D1 teams!.
Nothing against the team and DH is a great coach but really that's accurate rankings? SMH

As stated on the site, "I am sure things will be a little rough for a while but the new rankings should be better than the old one's by Christmas."

That team currently has the benefit of having only ranked games being played in PrimeTime.  I would, however, like to see how the USA team does against some LH teams.  They are tearing up Plano.

It looks like they play Liverpool Redknapp this weekend in the NTFC tourney.....

Nice scheduling.  Third game for both teams on same day.  And Redknapp in 3 different locations.  I would have liked to see them in a well-rested match.  USA beat Redknapp 4-1 in PLD.   Tough one to predict as Redknapp has definitely had the more challenging competition since then.

Had the opportunity to watch the Redknapp vs. USA game this weekend. USA is better than expected, and honestly under ranked. They are a top 15 team and I believe they will prove it, if they would compete in the Gold Div in tournaments going forward.

Shockingly, and I cannot believe I am saying this, but another team that should be considered in the Top 25 discussion is McKinney United. Though they played Redknapp to a draw over the weekend, they controlled the middle of the field. Not too bad for a team that costs around $700 for the year.

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Post by ForReal 14/11/16, 09:24 am

GOOOAL!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
justchootit wrote:
ForReal wrote:
Triumph FC wrote: How can they seem fairly accurate when you have a team ranked at 19 that plays in PrimeTime 9v9 and is higher than a good few LH D1 teams!.
Nothing against the team and DH is a great coach but really that's accurate rankings? SMH

As stated on the site, "I am sure things will be a little rough for a while but the new rankings should be better than the old one's by Christmas."

That team currently has the benefit of having only ranked games being played in PrimeTime.  I would, however, like to see how the USA team does against some LH teams.  They are tearing up Plano.

It looks like they play Liverpool Redknapp this weekend in the NTFC tourney.....

Nice scheduling.  Third game for both teams on same day.  And Redknapp in 3 different locations.  I would have liked to see them in a well-rested match.  USA beat Redknapp 4-1 in PLD.   Tough one to predict as Redknapp has definitely had the more challenging competition since then.

Had the opportunity to watch the Redknapp vs. USA game this weekend. USA is better than expected, and honestly under ranked. They are a top 15 team and I believe they will prove it, if they would compete in the Gold Div in tournaments going forward.

Shockingly, and I cannot believe I am saying this, but another team that should be considered in the Top 25 discussion is McKinney United. Though they played Redknapp to a draw over the weekend, they controlled the middle of the field. Not too bad for a team that costs around $700 for the year.  

This weekend moved USA into 13th.

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Post by USA SC 05 15/11/16, 11:04 am

Our team costs per year is less than $400.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 15/11/16, 11:18 am

USA SC 05 wrote:Our team costs per year is less than $400.  

That is impressive but a few questions:

How much do kits cost?  Who pays for league fees?  Who pays for tournament fees?  Where does the team train and who pays for the practice facility?  Is the coach independently wealthy?  Does money grow on trees?
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Post by GOOOAL!! 15/11/16, 04:48 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
USA SC 05 wrote:Our team costs per year is less than $400.  

That is impressive but a few questions:

How much do kits cost?  Who pays for league fees?  Who pays for tournament fees?  Where does the team train and who pays for the practice facility?  Is the coach independently wealthy?  Does money grow on trees?

You know that old saying, 'Curiosity Kills The Cat'? Well I just fell victim. I wanted to find out if they really were that inexpensive, and what the catch was.  

One of my friend's daughters could easily start for a D1 LH team, but chooses to play for McKinney United, and so I asked him whats up. Here is a cut-n-paste from an email he sent me (names removed to protect the innocent):

____ loves the coaches, so she chose to play for them. Fees cover everything:
Competitive Team & PPIL Reg Fees
2 Indoor Soccer Reg Fees (Winter/Summer)
Tournaments - Reg Fees for 6/yr.
Team Kit - Home & Away Kit, Training Gear, Bag, Jacket
Equipment Fee - Training gear
Indoor Field Rentals
Training Site
Coaches have been together for 6 years and donate their time each week to run the teams. We get just as many training sessions, games and scrimmages as we did when we were with ____.


I'm impressed they get all of that done for that price. I guess the coaches ARE independently wealthy Smile

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Post by ForReal 15/11/16, 04:51 pm

GOOOAL!! wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
USA SC 05 wrote:Our team costs per year is less than $400.  

That is impressive but a few questions:

How much do kits cost?  Who pays for league fees?  Who pays for tournament fees?  Where does the team train and who pays for the practice facility?  Is the coach independently wealthy?  Does money grow on trees?

You know that old saying, 'Curiosity Kills The Cat'? Well I just fell victim. I wanted to find out if they really were that inexpensive, and what the catch was.  

One of my friend's daughters could easily start for a D1 LH team, but chooses to play for McKinney United, and so I asked him whats up. Here is a cut-n-paste from an email he sent me (names removed to protect the innocent):

____ loves the coaches, so she chose to play for them. Fees cover everything:
Competitive Team & PPIL Reg Fees
2 Indoor Soccer Reg Fees (Winter/Summer)
Tournaments - Reg Fees for 6/yr.
Team Kit - Home & Away Kit, Training Gear, Bag, Jacket
Equipment Fee - Training gear
Indoor Field Rentals
Training Site
Coaches have been together for 6 years and donate their time each week to run the teams. We get just as many training sessions, games and scrimmages as we did when we were with ____.


I'm impressed they get all of that done for that price. I guess the coaches ARE independently wealthy Smile

Different team. What's McKinney United charge?

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Post by GOOOAL!! 15/11/16, 04:54 pm

He told me "around $700."

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Post by USA SC 05 18/11/16, 10:16 am

Tatkonkaburger I won't go into details but this years fees will be around $310 per player. That includes jerseys, warm ups, league fees, practice fields. Currently we have a roster of 14 girls and fees would drop more if we add a few more girls. Only thing it doesn't cover is the gas to get you to the field. We believe that everyone should have he ability to play at the highest level regardless of their financial status. If you make a million dollars a year or need a ride to the game we love you the same.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 18/11/16, 03:10 pm

USA SC 05 wrote:Tatkonkaburger I won't go into details but this years fees will be around $310 per player.  That includes jerseys, warm ups, league fees, practice fields.  Currently we have a roster of 14 girls and fees would drop more if we add a few more girls.  Only thing it doesn't cover is the gas to get you to the field.  We believe that everyone should have he ability to play at the highest level regardless of their financial status.  If you make a million dollars a year or need a ride to the game we love you the same.  

Great job.  Good on you guys for making NTX soccer affordable and being competitive.
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Post by KeeperCommander 19/11/16, 06:19 pm

Take from the Youth Soccer rankings page.
"My view is that soccer is a sport with winners and losers. The kids will have fun either way. If a coach isn't developing his players then it is quite simple: he is a bad coach and you should move your player to another team. This has nothing to do with the rankings! Please don't get me started on leagues that don't post their results. Enjoy!!!"

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Post by ForReal 20/11/16, 12:56 am

KeeperCommander wrote:Take from the Youth Soccer rankings page.
"My view is that soccer is a sport with winners and losers. The kids will have fun either way. If a coach isn't developing his players then it is quite simple: he is a bad coach and you should move your player to another team. This has nothing to do with the rankings! Please don't get me started on leagues that don't post their results. Enjoy!!!"

And your point is?

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