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Post by doublearound 23/03/17, 12:46 pm

For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession? Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD. Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license. How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

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Post by Foxysoccermom 23/03/17, 12:56 pm

doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

What if he stayed at a holiday inn the night before the game?
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Post by SickofStupidity 23/03/17, 01:00 pm

at least the back-alley Dr. is cheaper

problem is - FCD is selling these hacks under the FCD umbrella (like your back-alley Dr. working at Presby Plano)

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Post by ElClassico 23/03/17, 01:03 pm

First this a horrible analogy. 

Second, doctors don't walk in and claim they're doctors because they spent years cutting up their chicken at dinner. No they have spent years reading books, watching videos and other school stuff before ever picking up the scalpel. 

Third there is a licensing system and an E license means you know what a goal looks like not that you're ready to coach an ecnl team.

I'm not sure anyone is saying that a coach should have no playing experience what so ever, but that possibly playing experience is overrated and not the only path of a good coach.
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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch 23/03/17, 01:05 pm

doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level ECNL U14 coach with no playing somewhat playing experience and an E D license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

Have a clue who this is?!? Twisted Evil


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Post by timmyh 23/03/17, 01:14 pm

Until you get to the A and B, licensing quite fairly useless in determining if a coach is good or not. It does often show a dedication to continuing their craft, but has little correlation with who is instilling skills and love of the game.
There are plenty of fantastic unlicensed or D/E licensed coaches, especially at the U8-U13 levels. There are plenty of awful C licensed coaches at the same ages.

Once players hit high school age, there is nuance to the game that requires a true professional guidance from high level coaches. At U8-U13 find a coach that knows and teaches fundamental ball mastery, passing technique and first touch, and makes the kids excited to hit the field when it's time to go to practice.
Those things require soccer knowledge, but not not necessarily a license.

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Post by db10 23/03/17, 01:22 pm

doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.
If playing the game is so important then why are there so many sub standard youth coaches? 

Do you value sitting on the bench at South Central South Eastern Arkansas college better training than say a child psychology course on how a 10 or 12 year old learns or maybe a book or two on the difference between how a female athelete will respond compared to a male. Or simply comprehend that one responds to negative reinforcement and the other doesn't. 

Here's one of those silly videos you're talking about and after watching it tell me if a coach with college playing experience standing on the sideline telling the girls they're horrible and can't do anything right and you're embarrassing me is going to get results?

https://youtu.be/QY8uB2cQVV4


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Post by Foxysoccermom 23/03/17, 01:30 pm

doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.
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Post by ElClassico 23/03/17, 01:40 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.

I believe the coach mentioned above possibly has 4 teams. And they're younger teams which means the DOC is just fine with the coach.


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Post by Lefty 23/03/17, 01:44 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:
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doublearound wrote:As stated previously, the vast majority of parents didn’t play the game and don’t watch the game much outside of their kids play.  How do you expect this group of parents to know the difference between a qualified coach and a hack?  While a coaching license is important and any dedicated full time coach should continually seek to better their license, I just can’t understand how anyone can coach soccer at the academy or select level without having any significant playing experience.  I would categorize significant as having played select well into the teen years, high school, college, or professional.

I believe most of these qualified licensed coaches do know who the hacks are and turn a blind eye without saying anything, and allow Coach Con Artist to continue victimizing unsuspecting parents and their kids.

I don't subscribe to this.  Some of the best coaches in their sport didn't play or play at a high level.  Conversely, some of the best players make the worst coaches.

When looking for a coach, it also depends on your DD's age.  Certain things are more important at certain levels and there are a bunch of factors to consider at each age and stage.  A coach that is good with one age, likely isn't good for all ages.

I agree. We have way too much anecdotal evidence to support this.

I do believe a coach should be able to model what to do, not just tell (yell) them.

Probably more important to know what to do and how to appropriately teach it to the age group before worrying about how to model it. Most coaches strike out on the first two and you can get most any HS age player to model whatever you need up until u14 or so.

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Post by ElClassico 23/03/17, 01:45 pm

Imagine if the forums has something like a rating system or simply "do you like your coach" poll?
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Post by Lefty 23/03/17, 01:46 pm

fireman1594 wrote:Would you say a coach spends 5 hours average a week devoted to a team? 3 hours of practice, average 1 game a week = 2 hours? I have heard the average a coach makes is 15,000 a select team? 2 teams = 30,000? 10 hours a week x 52 = 520 hours a year. 30,000 / 520 = 58 ish dollars per hour. With pretty much zero certification, education, or accountability. Sucker us to sign year long contracts for 10 year olds (my daughter was 9 this year when signing first contract) There in lies the problem. It's like healthcare system, broke.  And we stand in line to give it to them. I would think I am in the ball park on numbers. Maybe completely wrong. That's "part time" coaches. Dare you to think about coaches that are given a "director" title, and have 4 teams.......

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Post by ElClassico 23/03/17, 01:50 pm

Lefty wrote:
Sho'Nuff wrote:
ForReal wrote:
doublearound wrote:As stated previously, the vast majority of parents didn’t play the game and don’t watch the game much outside of their kids play.  How do you expect this group of parents to know the difference between a qualified coach and a hack?  While a coaching license is important and any dedicated full time coach should continually seek to better their license, I just can’t understand how anyone can coach soccer at the academy or select level without having any significant playing experience.  I would categorize significant as having played select well into the teen years, high school, college, or professional.

I believe most of these qualified licensed coaches do know who the hacks are and turn a blind eye without saying anything, and allow Coach Con Artist to continue victimizing unsuspecting parents and their kids.

I don't subscribe to this.  Some of the best coaches in their sport didn't play or play at a high level.  Conversely, some of the best players make the worst coaches.

When looking for a coach, it also depends on your DD's age.  Certain things are more important at certain levels and there are a bunch of factors to consider at each age and stage.  A coach that is good with one age, likely isn't good for all ages.

I agree. We have way too much anecdotal evidence to support this.

I do believe a coach should be able to model what to do, not just tell (yell) them.

Probably more important to know what to do and how to appropriately teach it to the age group before worrying about how to model it.  Most coaches strike out on the first two and you can get most any HS age player to model whatever you need up until u14 or so.

Most coaches have the better girls model the skills from what I've seen. One they think the other girls will respond better if their peer can do the skill (probably true) Second, they don't want to screw it up themselves and be called on it (would lose face) and Third, if they spend to much time doing the skills the girls will think the coach is simply showing off or worse, putting them down for not knowing it.
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Post by Guest 23/03/17, 01:55 pm

Thinking about starting a couple teams. Think I have watched enough now to match what I have seen. Bring me your tall, athletic, fast kids, we will win more than we lose, I promise. I also promise that if you sign with me, next year your girls will be taller, have bigger feet, kicking distance will drastically improve. Your girl will probably be faster too.

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Post by Foxysoccermom 23/03/17, 01:56 pm

ElClassico wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.

I believe the coach mentioned above Possibly Has 4 teams. And they're younger teams which means the DOC is just fine with the coach.

Now that is funny. Doc has no problem with a bad coach as long as he can bring in guillable parents at a young age.
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Post by KeeperCommander 23/03/17, 01:58 pm

ElClassico wrote:First this a horrible analogy. 

Second, doctors don't walk in and claim they're doctors because they spent years cutting up their chicken at dinner. No they have spent years reading books, watching videos and other school stuff before ever picking up the scalpel. 

Third there is a licensing system and an E license means you know what a goal looks like not that you're ready to coach an ecnl team.

I'm not sure anyone is saying that a coach should have no playing experience what so ever, but that possibly playing experience is overrated and not the only path of a good coach.
To me every sport is different obviously but the best coaches usually were the ones that were on the bench learning what the coach wanted the players to do. Watching the mistakes and learning the game from that standpoint. Not necessarily the ones doing it.

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Post by SickofStupidity 23/03/17, 02:02 pm

ElClassico wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.

I believe the coach mentioned above Possibly Has 4 teams. And they're younger teams which means the DOC is just fine with the coach.


I don't classify U14 and U13 as "younger"

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Post by Foxysoccermom 23/03/17, 02:08 pm

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level ECNL U14 coach with no playing somewhat playing experience and an E D license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

Have a clue who this is?!? Twisted Evil

Dr Evil?
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Post by ElClassico 23/03/17, 02:16 pm

Let's be honest...the one issue nobody has brought up is that the majority of these coaches probably didn't want to coach 12 year old girls anyway. The went to school thinking they'd be a soccer star and when that didn't happen they decided to coach. They thought that the could work their way up and coach top level teams and didn't realize people coached them already. Now they're stuck and other than the paycheck could care less. You know the ones 5 minutes late every practice. The ones cancelling practices without rescheduling. The ones that do the same drill over and over, you know the soccer equivalent of throwing a kickball into a gym full of kids on a rainy day.
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Post by SickofStupidity 23/03/17, 02:39 pm

ElClassico wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.

I believe the coach mentioned above Possibly Has 4 teams. And they're younger teams which means the DOC is just fine with the coach.


Does he have a PHd in girls soccer?

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Post by SoccerDad75033 23/03/17, 02:42 pm

ElClassico wrote:Let's be honest...the one issue nobody has brought up is that the majority of these coaches probably didn't want to coach 12 year old girls anyway. The went to school thinking they'd be a soccer star and when that didn't happen they decided to coach. They thought that the could work their way up and coach top level teams and didn't realize people coached them already. Now they're stuck and other than the paycheck could care less. You know the ones 5 minutes late every practice. The ones cancelling practices without rescheduling. The ones that do the same drill over and over, you know the soccer equivalent of throwing a kickball into a gym full of kids on a rainy day.

So, you're basically saying they throw a soccer ball onto a field of girls and tell them to play keep away?

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Post by db10 23/03/17, 04:48 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:
ElClassico wrote:Let's be honest...the one issue nobody has brought up is that the majority of these coaches probably didn't want to coach 12 year old girls anyway. The went to school thinking they'd be a soccer star and when that didn't happen they decided to coach. They thought that the could work their way up and coach top level teams and didn't realize people coached them already. Now they're stuck and other than the paycheck could care less. You know the ones 5 minutes late every practice. The ones cancelling practices without rescheduling. The ones that do the same drill over and over, you know the soccer equivalent of throwing a kickball into a gym full of kids on a rainy day.

So, you're basically saying they throw a soccer ball onto a field of girls and tell them to play keep away?

Keep away for an hour a practice isn't good?

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Post by ph223047 23/03/17, 08:58 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:
ElClassico wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.

I believe the coach mentioned above Possibly Has 4 teams. And they're younger teams which means the DOC is just fine with the coach.


Does he have a PHd in girls soccer?

My apologies. The coaches at FC Dallas try hard to work together in order to make sure that players are placed on the appropriate team, and are given the opportunity to excel and move within the program. This is about giving girls the opportunity to develop and excel. Some aren't driven to be playing DA or at a DI college and are completely satisfied with the team they are on now. If you are not happy with your team, you should leave it and not come on here projecting your frustrations and bashing other coaches. Try someone else - they may not have the "known name", but you may find that your daughter is now truly enjoying the sport and the girls they are playing with.


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Post by Foxysoccermom 23/03/17, 09:06 pm

ph223047 wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:
ElClassico wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.

I believe the coach mentioned above Possibly Has 4 teams. And they're younger teams which means the DOC is just fine with the coach.


Does he have a PHd in girls soccer?

I know what you are implying, and I know who you and your little friends are.  I think you are just a little butthurt because your daughter was never good enough to make my team.  My teams are doing just fine thank you and no one cares what license I have.  A license doesn't make you a good coach just like a drivers license doesnt make you a good driver.  You and all your little butthurt friends come out here under you super secret names to bash coaches.  Well, I'm starting my own web site where coaches can come with secret names like Dr Evil and make fun of your fruit loop kids and and thier butthurt parents.  Then we will see who is laughing at me.


What do I need to do to get my dd on your team? I like the way you roll.
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Post by ForReal 23/03/17, 09:27 pm

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Foxysoccermom wrote:
doublearound wrote:For those that think it’s acceptable to have a coach with little or no playing experience, do you also go to some back alley doctor who can google your ailment and might give you some good advice because they’ve watched videos and read books about the profession?  Or, would you prefer a doctor that was trained by doctors and properly licensed.

Circling back to the majority of the discussion on this thread questioning what is happening at FCD.  Are you also an apologist for a select level U14 coach with no playing experience and an E license.  How effective do you think the skills lessons are, the game instruction, and teaching the fundamentals of the game.

So who is this scaliwag you're referring to?  Initials only please. It would be hilarious if he had 3-4 teams to top it off.

I believe the coach mentioned above Possibly Has 4 teams. And they're younger teams which means the DOC is just fine with the coach.


Does he have a PHd in girls soccer?

I know what you are implying, and I know who you and your little friends are.  I think you are just a little butthurt because your daughter was never good enough to make my team.  My teams are doing just fine thank you and no one cares what license I have.  A license doesn't make you a good coach just like a drivers license doesnt make you a good driver.  You and all your little butthurt friends come out here under you super secret names to bash coaches.  Well, I'm starting my own web site where coaches can come with secret names like Dr Evil and make fun of your fruit loop kids and and thier butthurt parents.  Then we will see who is laughing at me.

Wow, PH. You allowed them to draw you out. But based on your post, I can see why you can never fill a roster or have competitive teams. Hard to believe there's ever been a DD not good enough to make one of your teams. Sure wouldn't want my DD anywhere near you . . . And that has nothing to do with whatever license you lack.

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Post by 5050Ball 23/03/17, 09:35 pm

ph223047 wrote:

I know what you are implying, and I know who you and your little friends are.  I think you are just a little butthurt because your daughter was never good enough to make my team.  My teams are doing just fine thank you and no one cares what license I have.  A license doesn't make you a good coach just like a drivers license doesnt make you a good driver.  You and all your little butthurt friends come out here under you super secret names to bash coaches.  Well, I'm starting my own web site where coaches can come with secret names like Dr Evil and make fun of your fruit loop kids and and thier butthurt parents.  Then we will see who is laughing at me.

Fruit Loop kids? Thought that phrase was owned by another FCD coach.
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