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Post by Zizou March 18th 2017, 6:54 am

Well then, who ever was doing the scolding was not able to change a thing.

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Post by Longhorn March 18th 2017, 12:09 pm

That's girls competetive soccer for you. I have reaiized so many coaches recruit players to make that " awesome dominating team" and never have a hand in developing them. In the end its always the coach that recruited that gets the credit for the teams success.

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Post by Zizou March 18th 2017, 6:12 pm

I disagree, teams that recruit and get good players to join usually start with a strong nucleus that was developed by that coach.

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Post by Big Ern March 18th 2017, 6:17 pm

db10 wrote:
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db10 wrote:NTX has been notorious for not following the standards set for by the league and to my understanding have been reprimanded multiple times for how the girls are used as pawns.

What do you mean by this?

It's my understanding that NTX has been scolded on multiple occasions that they spend more time recruiting girls from one team to another than actually trying to develop.

Yet another statement in support of the argument for the consolidation of talent in NTX --

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Post by Foxysoccermom March 18th 2017, 7:33 pm

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db10 wrote:
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db10 wrote:NTX has been notorious for not following the standards set for by the league and to my understanding have been reprimanded multiple times for how the girls are used as pawns.

What do you mean by this?

It's my understanding that NTX has been scolded on multiple occasions that they spend more time recruiting girls from one team to another than actually trying to develop.

Yet another statement in support of the argument for the consolidation of talent in NTX --

Correct...and the big 4 have the track record, and foresight to do it right. cheers
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Post by Zizou March 19th 2017, 10:56 am

Alright, who then is qualified? I am open minded here if those out their feel they have a solution to who would be the best to con solidate our players.

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Post by HomeStretch March 19th 2017, 5:48 pm

Why should they consolidate? What evidence says super teams are best for development? Mid pack players on a super team might get better long term development being a leader on their own team.

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Post by Foxysoccermom March 19th 2017, 8:36 pm

HomeStretch wrote:Why should they consolidate?  What evidence says super teams are best for development? Mid pack players on a super team might get better long term development being a leader on their own team.

Thank you! This is a bill of goods sold by the corrupt pyramid of soccer. Do you see any other sports this crazy at this age? These are the same clubs that lobbied for clubs to keep byes...who then field non competitive teams that hurt competition for whole divisions.....pushed for cpp...then use it mostly to bring in ringers just to keep byes and money.....need I go on. No they haven't shown they can run anything but an extortion ring.

It's kind of like trump saying...you knew I was crazy as hell and lied all the time. Why did you think I would change now
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Post by Zizou March 19th 2017, 9:11 pm

What do you think USYSA is doing creating the Girls DA and aligning them with women's pro teams? Consolidation of top players into certain clubs and coaches. You talk extortion when any Tom dick and harry can come in making thousands of dollars with no certification and thank god they have to be back ground checked to coach young girls. Hey their are plenty of good independent teams that will be glad to take your money and have your DD play.

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Post by Foxysoccermom March 19th 2017, 10:40 pm

Zizou wrote:What do you think USYSA is doing creating the Girls DA and aligning them with women's pro teams? Consolidation of top players into certain clubs and coaches. You talk extortion when any Tom dick and harry can come in making thousands of dollars with no certification and thank god they have to be back ground checked to coach young girls. Hey their are plenty of good independent teams that will be glad to take your money and have your DD play.

Most of the tom dick and Harry's you mentioned are at the largest club in dallas, that is getting da.
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Post by Big Ern March 19th 2017, 10:57 pm

Homestretch --

Thank you! Simple answer to your question (even simpler concept) ... Good players become great players when training + competing with players that are on the same level or greater. This creates an environment of consistent challenge and healthy focus. Evidence? ... At one point a few years ago, there were 50+ registered clubs at NTX. Despite having a massive well of talent, our teams don't win as many national level championships as we should and we don't produce more a handful of USWNT prospects. Those teams and girls most consistently come from environments that have fewer top end clubs and consolidate their regional talent.

Zizou --

I think you're on the right track when mentioning USSDA Clubs being aligned with pro teams. This is the direction that competitive youth soccer in this country is headed ... We are witnessing a perfect example of this in Houston now with the Dash.

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Post by Big Ern March 19th 2017, 10:57 pm

Homestretch --

Thank you!  Simple answer to your question (even simpler concept) ... Good players become great players when training + competing with players that are on the same level or greater.  This creates an environment of consistent challenge and healthy focus.  Evidence? ... At one point a few years ago, there were 50+ registered clubs at NTX.  Despite having a massive well of talent, our teams don't win as many national level championships as we should and we don't produce more a handful of USWNT prospects.  Those teams and girls most consistently come from environments that have fewer top end clubs and consolidate their regional talent.

Zizou --

I think you're on the right track when mentioning USSDA Clubs being aligned with pro teams.  This is the direction that competitive youth soccer in this country is headed ... We are witnessing a perfect example of this in Houston now with the Dash.

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Post by Zizou March 19th 2017, 11:00 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:
Zizou wrote:What do you think USYSA is doing creating the Girls DA and aligning them with women's pro teams? Consolidation of top players into certain clubs and coaches. You talk extortion when any Tom dick and harry can come in making thousands of dollars with no certification and thank god they have to be back ground checked to coach young girls. Hey their are plenty of good independent teams that will be glad to take your money and have your DD play.

Most of the tom dick and Harry's you mentioned are at the largest club in dallas, that is getting da.

Lol, sure nobody holding a gun to your head. Stay independent my friend. I'm not here to tell you to go big club or small, but US soccer seems to thing differently.

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Post by ElClassico March 20th 2017, 12:20 am

The largest club in Dallas is getting DA not only because of it's size but it's reputation on the boys side. The world outside of NTX doesn't realize that their girls program is simply a money maker outside of ECNL.
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Post by Guest March 20th 2017, 12:43 am

ElClassico wrote:The largest club in Dallas is getting DA not only because of it's size but it's reputation on the boys side. The world outside of NTX doesn't realize that their girls program is simply a money maker outside of ECNL.

scratch scratch scratch Tell me the DA club where this isn't the case? One of the key factors in awarding a club DA status was financial stability and quality of training facilities. Where is the Girls DA club that hasn't been a pay-to-play model up until now?

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Post by ElClassico March 20th 2017, 12:58 am

Yes, all clubs make money. Some actually treat their girls program with a bit more respect than "here's an 1/8 of a field for you guys to practice on" Or when you have an age group with 2x the boys teams. Or when your charging $4000 to play on a team with a coach that can't even get a D license.
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Post by TwistAndShout March 20th 2017, 8:44 am

Foxysoccermom wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:Why should they consolidate?  What evidence says super teams are best for development? Mid pack players on a super team might get better long term development being a leader on their own team.

Thank you!  This is a bill of goods sold by the corrupt pyramid of soccer. Do you see any other sports this crazy at this age?  These are the same clubs that lobbied for clubs to keep byes...who then field non competitive teams that hurt competition for whole divisions.....pushed for cpp...then use it mostly to bring in ringers just to keep byes and money.....need I go on. No they haven't shown they can run anything but an extortion ring.

It's kind of like trump saying...you knew I was crazy as hell and lied all the time. Why did you think I would change now

LaCrosse maybe?  But great points...  my how the world has changed in the past 8 years since my DD has played soccer.  The landscapes keep changing.  Seems curious to me that talent was found early on without ANY of these engines in place.

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Post by SoccerTexas March 20th 2017, 9:45 am

Zizou wrote:What do you think USYSA is doing creating the Girls DA and aligning them with women's pro teams? Consolidation of top players into certain clubs and coaches. You talk extortion when any Tom dick and harry can come in making thousands of dollars with no certification and thank god they have to be back ground checked to coach young girls. Hey their are plenty of good independent teams that will be glad to take your money and have your DD play.

I think you meant USSF or US Soccer not USYSA.  USYSA is technically a competitor to the DA by providing its own leagues (national league, etc), similar to US Club and ECNL etc.

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Post by Guest March 20th 2017, 1:40 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:Why should they consolidate?  What evidence says super teams are best for development? Mid pack players on a super team might get better long term development being a leader on their own team.

Thank you!  This is a bill of goods sold by the corrupt pyramid of soccer. Do you see any other sports this crazy at this age?  These are the same clubs that lobbied for clubs to keep byes...who then field non competitive teams that hurt competition for whole divisions.....pushed for cpp...then use it mostly to bring in ringers just to keep byes and money.....need I go on. No they haven't shown they can run anything but an extortion ring.

It's kind of like trump saying...you knew I was crazy as hell and lied all the time. Why did you think I would change now

...ummm you're making that statement and you claim to have a DD in volleyball??? lol!

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Post by Big Ern March 20th 2017, 3:38 pm

ElClassico wrote:Yes, all clubs make money. Some actually treat their girls program with a bit more respect than "here's an 1/8 of a field for you guys to practice on" Or when you have an age group with 2x the boys teams. Or when your charging $4000 to play on a team with a coach that can't even get a D license.

ElClassico + Foxy (apologies in advance ElClassico for grouping you in with this guy) --

You're correct in saying that FCD Youth has more girls than quality coaches. This however, is not the fault of the club, but the fault of too many parents that don't know any better.

We all know they are a business. Surely you've considered that if you had a business that had so much demand for a product, you'd continue to sell it, especially if the masses unwittingly believe that it's the best option for them. FCD Youth isn't extorting anything, nor is it a corrupt organization ... When it comes to the current landscape of youth soccer in NTX, they just happen to be the "Yankees", so it's natural for folks like you guys to spew a bit of negativity that may be borne from a little jealousy. And just like any of the other competing clubs, they tend to place their more valuable resources (top coaches, fields, time) with their most valuable assets (at FCD -- boys ... DA, girls ... top few of teams in each age group).


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Post by Foxysoccermom March 20th 2017, 3:52 pm

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Foxysoccermom wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:Why should they consolidate?  What evidence says super teams are best for development? Mid pack players on a super team might get better long term development being a leader on their own team.

Thank you!  This is a bill of goods sold by the corrupt pyramid of soccer. Do you see any other sports this crazy at this age?  These are the same clubs that lobbied for clubs to keep byes...who then field non competitive teams that hurt competition for whole divisions.....pushed for cpp...then use it mostly to bring in ringers just to keep byes and money.....need I go on. No they haven't shown they can run anything but an extortion ring.

It's kind of like trump saying...you knew I was crazy as hell and lied all the time. Why did you think I would change now

...ummm you're making that statement and you claim to have a DD in volleyball???  lol!


Volleyball is and always has been controlled secretly by the soccer under world to fleece more money out of stupid parents. It's true...I just tweeted it.
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Post by Foxysoccermom March 20th 2017, 3:58 pm

BigErn wrote:
ElClassico wrote:Yes, all clubs make money. Some actually treat their girls program with a bit more respect than "here's an 1/8 of a field for you guys to practice on" Or when you have an age group with 2x the boys teams. Or when your charging $4000 to play on a team with a coach that can't even get a D license.

ElClassico + Foxy (apologies in advance ElClassico for grouping you in with this guy) --

You're correct in saying that FCD Youth has more girls than quality coaches.  This however, is not the fault of the club, but the fault of too many parents that don't know any better.  

We all know they are a business.  Surely you've considered that if you had a business that had so much demand for a product, you'd continue to sell it, especially if the masses unwittingly believe that it's the best option for them.  FCD Youth isn't extorting anything, nor is it a corrupt organization ... When it comes to the current landscape of youth soccer in NTX, they just happen to be the "Yankees", so it's natural for folks like you guys to spew a bit of negativity that may be borne from a little jealousy.  And just like any of the other competing clubs, they tend to place their more valuable resources (top coaches, fields, time) with their most valuable assets (at FCD -- boys ... DA, girls ... top few of teams in each age group).


Hellllloooo...big ern. I hate to agree, but yes it's the crazy parents that keep paying to participate. You just like to be the pied piper of this stupidity.
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Post by Big Ern March 20th 2017, 4:09 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:
BigErn wrote:
ElClassico wrote:Yes, all clubs make money. Some actually treat their girls program with a bit more respect than "here's an 1/8 of a field for you guys to practice on" Or when you have an age group with 2x the boys teams. Or when your charging $4000 to play on a team with a coach that can't even get a D license.

ElClassico + Foxy (apologies in advance ElClassico for grouping you in with this guy) --

You're correct in saying that FCD Youth has more girls than quality coaches.  This however, is not the fault of the club, but the fault of too many parents that don't know any better.  

We all know they are a business.  Surely you've considered that if you had a business that had so much demand for a product, you'd continue to sell it, especially if the masses unwittingly believe that it's the best option for them.  FCD Youth isn't extorting anything, nor is it a corrupt organization ... When it comes to the current landscape of youth soccer in NTX, they just happen to be the "Yankees", so it's natural for folks like you guys to spew a bit of negativity that may be borne from a little jealousy.  And just like any of the other competing clubs, they tend to place their more valuable resources (top coaches, fields, time) with their most valuable assets (at FCD -- boys ... DA, girls ... top few of teams in each age group).


Hellllloooo...big ern. I hate to agree, but yes it's the crazy parents that keep paying to participate. You just like to be the pied piper of this stupidity.

Right --

Fortunately for us, we've been provided with the "valuable assets" I mentioned above so it's a non issue.

Being a lifetime coach myself and loving these little athletes like I do, I would never 'pipe' anybody in the direction of poor coaching.

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Post by newbiefornow March 20th 2017, 6:39 pm

Why can't we all just get along? (yes I know most of the reasons and some of them are good one's)

I saw a lot of Club solidarity on Sunday at the FC Dallas v Northwestern, Baylor v Dash doubleheader. All of the clubs participated and showed their colors. I saw Sting, D'Feeters, FCD, Solar, Texans and some independents.

FC Dallas women did a nice job of representing NTX in the WPSL. Their next game is March 25th at SMU. They're not at the level of DASH just yet but it was great to have an opportunity to see both teams and be able to compare.

I know this is Pollyanna'ish but I salute anyone involved in Women's sports.It's hard to get respect at the best of times. The US are pioneers. Probably worth noting Carli Lloyd is now playing for Manchester City. The British are indeed coming. I think the US will be ready though.

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Post by ElClassico March 20th 2017, 7:42 pm

BigErn wrote:
ElClassico wrote:Yes, all clubs make money. Some actually treat their girls program with a bit more respect than "here's an 1/8 of a field for you guys to practice on" Or when you have an age group with 2x the boys teams. Or when your charging $4000 to play on a team with a coach that can't even get a D license.

ElClassico + Foxy (apologies in advance ElClassico for grouping you in with this guy) --

You're correct in saying that FCD Youth has more girls than quality coaches.  This however, is not the fault of the club, but the fault of too many parents that don't know any better.  

We all know they are a business.  Surely you've considered that if you had a business that had so much demand for a product, you'd continue to sell it, especially if the masses unwittingly believe that it's the best option for them.  FCD Youth isn't extorting anything, nor is it a corrupt organization ... When it comes to the current landscape of youth soccer in NTX, they just happen to be the "Yankees", so it's natural for folks like you guys to spew a bit of negativity that may be borne from a little jealousy.  And just like any of the other competing clubs, they tend to place their more valuable resources (top coaches, fields, time) with their most valuable assets (at FCD -- boys ... DA, girls ... top few of teams in each age group).


I agree to a point but...

If I owned a movie theater with 500 seats yet continue to sell 750 while telling you your experience will be the same then shouldn't I be somewhat to blame? Sure it's buyer beware but somewhere false advertising comes into play as well?

Let's look at U14 (it's what I know, and I've seen all the teams play this year) FCD has 16 boys teams and 5 on the girls side. Let's take LW out of the picture, that's a unique case which has been discussed for years. We are left with...

FCD Red in LH D1 who has 1 point, has given up 62 goals in 14 games and have managed to score 4. Now you can say the girls are in above their heads but come on. At some point would you not think a club with the resources available would send someone out to see what's up? Then you have FCD Black and FCD White both with the possibility of having to re qualify. I believe one coach has a D license and the other has none.

So here's a club selling themselves on development yet all three of these teams have moved backwards as the year has gone on. How are these girls supposed to feed into ECNL or DA or what ever? By next year FCD may have 1 team in LH playing D2. And we all know what happens to rosters after a terrible season, the girls get blamed for it and are let go, the coach doesn't return, or more likely in this case the girls run from the building like its on fire.

And this is supposed to be the Marquee youth program in NTX?
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Post by jogobonito06 March 20th 2017, 9:39 pm

ElClassico wrote:
BigErn wrote:
ElClassico wrote:Yes, all clubs make money. Some actually treat their girls program with a bit more respect than "here's an 1/8 of a field for you guys to practice on" Or when you have an age group with 2x the boys teams. Or when your charging $4000 to play on a team with a coach that can't even get a D license.

ElClassico + Foxy (apologies in advance ElClassico for grouping you in with this guy) --

You're correct in saying that FCD Youth has more girls than quality coaches.  This however, is not the fault of the club, but the fault of too many parents that don't know any better.  

We all know they are a business.  Surely you've considered that if you had a business that had so much demand for a product, you'd continue to sell it, especially if the masses unwittingly believe that it's the best option for them.  FCD Youth isn't extorting anything, nor is it a corrupt organization ... When it comes to the current landscape of youth soccer in NTX, they just happen to be the "Yankees", so it's natural for folks like you guys to spew a bit of negativity that may be borne from a little jealousy.  And just like any of the other competing clubs, they tend to place their more valuable resources (top coaches, fields, time) with their most valuable assets (at FCD -- boys ... DA, girls ... top few of teams in each age group).


I agree to a point but...

If I owned a movie theater with 500 seats yet continue to sell 750 while telling you your experience will be the same then shouldn't I be somewhat to blame? Sure it's buyer beware but somewhere false advertising comes into play as well?

Let's look at U14 (it's what I know, and I've seen all the teams play this year) FCD has 16 boys teams and 5 on the girls side. Let's take LW out of the picture, that's a unique case which has been discussed for years. We are left with...

FCD Red in LH D1 who has 1 point, has given up 62 goals in 14 games and have managed to score 4. Now you can say the girls are in above their heads but come on. At some point would you not think a club with the resources available would send someone out to see what's up? Then you have FCD Black and FCD White both with the possibility of having to re qualify. I believe one coach has a D license and the other has none.

So here's a club selling themselves on development yet all three of these teams have moved backwards as the year has gone on. How are these girls supposed to feed into ECNL or DA or what ever? By next year FCD may have 1 team in LH playing D2. And we all know what happens to rosters after a terrible season, the girls get blamed for it and are let go, the coach doesn't return, or more likely in this case the girls run from the building like its on fire.

And this is supposed to be the Marquee youth program in NTX?

Yes, it's the Yankees.
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