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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 06:32 am

No, what you will see is their any reason to pay to play At the rec level in LHGCL.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 30/03/17, 06:36 am

What we will see is the big clubs getting bit in their behinds.....

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Post by Guest on 30/03/17, 08:53 am

BigboyBentley wrote:What we will see is the big clubs getting bit in their behinds.....

Ummm... yeah... that'll happen... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 30/03/17, 09:20 am

Found this very interesting on another forum:

"There are hidden pitfalls within the DA system that I suppose separate the girls:

1. Lack of playing time

2. Learning how to focus on training- making training days 100 percent as opposed to a "practice mentality" that I see now in my DD team. Proving yourself at training and not waiting for "game day" to show up or that "big tourney"

3. Lack of unlimited substitutions- learning how to be impactful to the game or you will be subbed out and not get that chance to go back in

4. A very real chance that if you are 11-18 on a DA you may start in as little as 25 percent of games and you have to find a way to "break in" to the top 11. How do you do that? How do you "prove" worth at training because there will be fewer games

5. It's a grind and so the motivation can't come from parents- it has to come from players to "show up" four days a week. Can they?

6. Ten month season and at the end your 11-18 player can be replaced. It has the potential to be a much more cut throat arena especially if the DA records are poor. I haven't seen the quantifers but I can only assume there will be some discussions with families that girls aren't cutting it or families leaving out of exasperation no play time etc

7. I think that the truly elite would have no issue going DA to DA- but the rest of us won't be able to change teams and clubs so freely anymore. I would think that in theory some clubs with depth would want to move up current girls in a system within their club vs an outside DA unless she was very elite

8. ECNL was my dream for my DD prior to all this because it appeared to be a beautiful balance of competition and lifestyle and social. Now there is more pressure and some girls will not thrive in that role or environment

9. Studying the game and being an actual student of the game vs "just playing". Some girls are not good in school or learning new concepts but are instinctual athletes. Can those who have relied on athleticism start learning space, movement, off the ball involvement?"

Thoughts??
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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 09:34 am

All of the above, the DA system is set up for players that are
1. Elite
2. Dedicated
3. Focused
4. Players that wish to be students of the game.

DA will be for a select few hence the strict guidelines in the selection process. Just making the team is the easy part. Handling the demands and maintaining a level of focus and dedication to your craft will definitely separate the elite players from let's say the I think I am a elite player.

DA is not interested in the rest of us, nor are they looking to appease the masses.

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Post by SickofStupidity on 30/03/17, 09:47 am

and the realization by some players and parents, that no matter how much of #2-4 a player may have, without #1 . . .

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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 09:51 am

Yes, will get you in the door, but the others are what will keep you in.

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Post by Guest on 30/03/17, 10:03 am

SickofSilliness wrote:and the realization by some players and parents, that no matter how much of #2-4 a player may have, without #1 . . .
That's right Sicko, without #1 you're not going anywhere jocolor

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Post by 5050Ball on 30/03/17, 10:08 am

The term Elite seems to be tossed around at random these days. Can someone give me a definition?

Or is it like the famous Potter Stewart 'know it when I see it' test?
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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 10:22 am

Generally Speaking,

1. Technical abilities
2. Tactical abilities
3. Athleticism

Probably not in that order. I will say this you cannot rely on just one to stay relative in the game. One will only take you so far.



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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 30/03/17, 10:56 am

Honestly, how many truly "Elite" players you have on ECNL teams these days?? You can probably count them on one hand. You'll have "Very Good" players more than anything.
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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 11:00 am

Very good is not a bad place to start. DA could be the beginning of some of the very good players to take their games to the next Level. I would say USSF will be the judge of who is elite through call ups.

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 30/03/17, 11:08 am

Isn't it the same ole same? Top players on the ECNL will move to DA.. NTX having 4 DA's will not improve the talent pool in the DA.. Same Time, Same Bat Channel, Same Bad Habits.. Now you consolidate down to two DA teams, now there is something worth talking about.

You an avg player on this ECNL team and didn't make the DA team for this particular club but you run over to the next particular club and make the DA team.. Hmm
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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 11:15 am

There will be ECNL players that will not make or decide not to play DA.

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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 11:19 am

Just as it took time for ECNL to form and make changes to better itself. I can see in the future their defiantly being one or two DA clubs. Owners of these clubs do not see the girls DA as a financial gain.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 30/03/17, 11:57 am

1.Is it USWNT or bust?
2.Is it D1 scholarship?
3.Is it any division scholarship?
4.Is it bragging rights?
5.Or life experience?

how many of those can be accomplished without DA or ECNL exposure?

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Post by KeeperCommander on 30/03/17, 12:10 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:1.Is it USWNT or bust?
2.Is it D1 scholarship?
3.Is it any division scholarship?
4.Is it bragging rights?
5.Or life experience?

how many of those can be accomplished without DA or ECNL exposure?
It has already been proven that the answer is all of them.

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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 01:08 pm

Then it is a easy decision for your family. LHGCL is the place for your DD. Don't worry be happy.

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Post by abc000 on 30/03/17, 01:57 pm

Zizou wrote:Generally Speaking,

1. Technical abilities
2. Tactical abilities
3. Athleticism

Probably not in that order. I will say this you cannot rely on just one to stay relative in the game. One will only take you so far.


Agree absolutely plus a few intangibles such as coachable, desire to win, etc. One of your big three is athleticism (very spot on). Many Natural athletes who can dominate in just about every sport they play will not be content to give up everything for just soccer when they can continue on pretty high level ECNL teams and continue to play bball, volleyball, track, etc.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 30/03/17, 02:24 pm

Zizou wrote:Then it is a easy decision for your family. LHGCL is the place for your DD. Don't worry be happy.
Thats the answer I thought I would receive from you. Because you are not very smart, just an observation. Never said that DA wasn't a good idea, just not the only path. You seem too closed minded to be intelligent. If you do not make national team as a DA player, what do you do? You will be able to have your pick of D1 schools but the DA is the path to NT. Period. Are there outliers? yes.

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Post by Lefty on 30/03/17, 03:09 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:1.Is it USWNT or bust?
2.Is it D1 scholarship?
3.Is it any division scholarship?
4.Is it bragging rights?
5.Or life experience?

how many of those can be accomplished without DA or ECNL exposure?
It has already been proven that the answer is all of them.

Absolutely true.

There is an exception to every rule, a full court shot that goes in once a year, and a one in a million chance that pans out.

However, if you are at all concerned about the probability of them occurring then you probably want to draw the line under the second one.


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Post by SickofStupidity on 30/03/17, 03:14 pm

Lefty wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:1.Is it USWNT or bust?
2.Is it D1 scholarship?
3.Is it any division scholarship?
4.Is it bragging rights?
5.Or life experience?

how many of those can be accomplished without DA or ECNL exposure?
It has already been proven that the answer is all of them.

Absolutely true.  

There is an exception to every rule, a full court shot that goes in once a year,  and a one in a million chance that pans out.

However, if you are at all concerned about the probability of them occurring then you probably want to draw the line under the second one.



Seriously?  What are you going to brag about besides DA?

Your dd plays in LH with a bunch of other rec players?

How else are you going to be able to brag about how she is part of the development program for Olympic athletes?

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Post by Guest on 30/03/17, 03:17 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:1.Is it USWNT or bust?
2.Is it D1 scholarship?
3.Is it any division scholarship?
4.Is it bragging rights?
5.Or life experience?

how many of those can be accomplished without DA or ECNL exposure?
It has already been proven that the answer is all of them.

KC, you are absolutely correct... BUT as with so many of questions like the one above, people like state things in black or white, while the reality is shades of grey...

Assuming the DA takes hold, it will almost certainly become the preferred path to USWNT. It doesn't mean that there won't be players on the USWNT that don't come through the DA pipeline, and maybe don't even come through ECNL, but what you will likely see is that in 5 years from now >80% of the YNT/WNT players will be from the DA and <20% won't. You almost certainly will NOT see it the other way around.

The same can be said today in regards to ECNL, and NTX players that get D1 scholarships, and more specifically, Power 5 conference scholarships. All you need to do is go take a look at the College Commitment list for any of the NTX ECNL teams from the past 3-4 years, and compare it to the current College Commitment lists that LHGCL publishes on their website, and you will see the difference in the list of schools. Sure, you will see some girls on the LHGCL list with commitments to D1 schools, and 2-3 with commitments to Power 5 schools, but there is no way that you can even begin to compare the lists, especially on a % of D1 scholarships per number of players basis.

So, to give a better answer to AG...

1.Is it USWNT or bust? Again, assuming DA takes off, DA is pretty much where you'll need to be.
2.Is it D1 scholarship? If DA takes off, in the future, LHGCL players getting ANY D1 scholarship will become a rarity. This will become almost exclusively DA and ECNL players in NTX.
3.Is it any division scholarship? You'll still be able to get there from LHGCL, but it will almost certainly be DII, DIII, JuCo, or NAIA
4.Is it bragging rights? Depends on what bragging rights you want. You can get these anywhere.
5.Or life experience? Again, you can get these anywhere you play competitive soccer.

Mark this post, come back to it in 3-5 years, and prove me wrong...

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Post by KeeperCommander on 30/03/17, 03:24 pm

bwgophers wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:1.Is it USWNT or bust?
2.Is it D1 scholarship?
3.Is it any division scholarship?
4.Is it bragging rights?
5.Or life experience?

how many of those can be accomplished without DA or ECNL exposure?
It has already been proven that the answer is all of them.

KC, you are absolutely correct...  BUT as with so many of questions like the one above, people like state things in black or white, while the reality is shades of grey...

Assuming the DA takes hold, it will almost certainly become the preferred path to USWNT.  It doesn't mean that there won't be players on the USWNT that don't come through the DA pipeline, and maybe don't even come through ECNL, but what you will likely see is that in 5 years from now >80% of the YNT/WNT players will be from the DA and <20% won't.  You almost certainly will NOT see it the other way around.

The same can be said today in regards to ECNL, and NTX players that get D1 scholarships, and more specifically, Power 5 conference scholarships.  All you need to do is go take a look at the College Commitment list for any of the NTX ECNL teams from the past 3-4 years, and compare it to the current College Commitment lists that LHGCL publishes on their website, and you will see the difference in the list of schools.  Sure, you will see some girls on the LHGCL list with commitments to D1 schools, and 2-3 with commitments to Power 5 schools, but there is no way that you can even begin to compare the lists, especially on a % of D1 scholarships per number of players basis.

So, to give a better answer to AG...

1.Is it USWNT or bust?  Again, assuming DA takes off, DA is pretty much where you'll need to be.
2.Is it D1 scholarship? If DA takes off, in the future, LHGCL players getting ANY D1 scholarship will become a rarity.  This will become almost exclusively DA and ECNL players in NTX.
3.Is it any division scholarship? You'll still be able to get there from LHGCL, but it will almost certainly be DII, DIII, JuCo, or NAIA
4.Is it bragging rights? Depends on what bragging rights you want.  You can get these anywhere.
5.Or life experience? Again, you can get these anywhere you play competitive soccer.

Mark this post, come back to it in 3-5 years, and prove me wrong...
Basically the jest of what I was trying to get across with one addition. I don't think LH to be relevant in a few years anymore than the next guy. However it has been very relevant even with ECNL out there. So even with DA the ECNL will still have relevance just in a scale to that of LH now. Too many talented girls unwilling to give up what they have to give up to play DA.

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Post by Lefty on 30/03/17, 03:41 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:1.Is it USWNT or bust?
2.Is it D1 scholarship?
3.Is it any division scholarship?
4.Is it bragging rights?
5.Or life experience?

how many of those can be accomplished without DA or ECNL exposure?
It has already been proven that the answer is all of them.

one of ours also went with the probabilities, just depends what you want out of soccer and life.  A different perspective/path:

1.Is it USWNT or bust?  Bust - call her Doctor.  Still owns outcomes.
2.Is it D1 scholarship? Soccer - Hell No! Academic full ride, Med School Scholarship
3.Is it any division scholarship? Soccer - Hell No! declined them all
4.Is it bragging rights? Hell yes.  LHGCL, ECNL, HS All State, 35 ACT, 4.2 GPA
5.Or life experience? Part of great team and lifelong friends, major impact on the outcome of every game played win or lose


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Post by Guest on 30/03/17, 03:44 pm

It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX. ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4. The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools. D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

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