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Post by ColtMcVince 02/05/17, 07:29 am

How many people who have kids that have the ability to join one of these teams will just say no? Or are we all just sheep and going to do what the clubs tell us without question?

As jerry Maguire once said "who's coming with me?"

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Post by Big Ern 02/05/17, 08:21 am

scratch

So ..... You have a kid that has the ability and enjoys playing at the top level against top comp year round + Some of the clubs offer these programs = Why the hell wouldn't you be at tryouts for one of those programs?

The aforementioned clubs aren't telling us anything ... Just offering the programs.  The choice is in the hands of our kids and us -- Both club and program.

Begs the question -- Where will the naysayers go when they say, "no"?

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Post by Guest 02/05/17, 08:21 am

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Post by Guest 02/05/17, 08:23 am

NTX does not have a single age group where all 5 ECNL teams are highly competitive at the top level, never has. Now they're going to expand to DA and miraculously the talent pool in NTX is going to double. Well.....it's not. The talent pool is the talent poll and no matter who tells me the emperors new clothes are the bomb, I'm still saying the emperor is naked. The only thing that is going to double is the number of families writing giant checks.
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Post by ColtMcVince 02/05/17, 08:35 am

Why wouldn't I be at tryouts for ECNL/DA? Because I'm not convinced that this is all it's cracked up to be. Is my daughter guaranteed a college scholly? If so, sign me up. Otherwise, we have better things to do than to rack up countless hours and thousands of miles driving back and forth from Houston, austin and wherever else. I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong, but this is why I will choose not to go this route until my daughter is further removed from elementary school.

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Post by Zizou 02/05/17, 08:43 am

Awesome, that is a great opinion and definitely will work for your DD and family.

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Post by ColtMcVince 02/05/17, 08:46 am

Thanks!

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Post by Big Ern 02/05/17, 08:47 am

ColtMcVince wrote:Why wouldn't I be at tryouts for ECNL/DA?  Because I'm not convinced that this is all it's cracked up to be. Is my daughter guaranteed a college scholly?  If so, sign me up.  Otherwise, we have better things to do than to rack up countless hours and thousands of miles driving back and forth from Houston,  austin and wherever else.  I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong, but this is why I will choose not to go this route until my daughter is further removed from elementary school.

Understood ColtMcV ...

From what I've seen, 80%+ of the ECNL kids receive college scholarships if they are still kickin by U17 ... Given that USSDA is more exclusive, that number should increase.  If your kid is playing DA at U17, that number is closer to 100% -- just too many D1 spots to fill.

Don't know about you, but my 04 kid has but travelling 4+ times annually since U10 ... U14 DA is no different.

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Post by ColtMcVince 02/05/17, 08:54 am

Could be right. I wonder how many within that 80% started playing ECNL at the earliest possible age. Hard to know. One thing I do know is that it wasn't at U13.

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Post by SickofStupidity 02/05/17, 08:57 am

I just don't see a YUGE exodus from LHGCL -

Take last year's 04 - 6 teams played exclusively JDL.  Between ECNL and DA this year, I believe there are 8 teams.  That's only 2 additional teams.  If you remove Rush, there is only an addiitonal team to fill.  Add to that girls who stayed 03 and will be dropping back to 04.  So I don't see much of a "net" change in LH.

Last year's 05?  How many were already NOT playing LH and were playing JDL only?  


What I think will be amusing to watch - is what happens when the hordes of players showing up for ECNL / DA practices realize that Suzi isn't going to make one of those teams?

Watch the mass panic as girls then try to go find a home on a LH DI team.

Ultimately, I predict that most of these clubs will string kids along as long as possible with the plan that if they don't make the ECNL / DA teams, then they can "assign" them to or "suggest" another club team (with, of course, the "possible opportunity" to get playing time on the ECNL  / DA team since you play for one of the Elite clubs).

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Post by Zizou 02/05/17, 08:59 am

They were not playing at U-13 because it was not offered. Top players will move onto these teams and will continue to into the future.

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Post by Guest 02/05/17, 09:00 am

So what's your real issue here?

You've clearly got a plan that you feel is best for your DD and family situation. Others have a plan that they feel is best for their DD and their family situation.

If you think some or all of those people are being sheep, then let them be sheep. What does it matter to you?

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Post by Big Boy Bentley 02/05/17, 09:06 am

Bingo unless your kid is a superstar go knock someone off that makes sense otherwisw they already have their paid cliemts. 98 percent of the kids don't fit this mold...don't leave a team unless your child is wanting a challenge and a better squad to develop w a good coach.

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Post by Zizou 02/05/17, 09:07 am

SickofSilliness wrote:I just don't see a YUGE exodus from LHGCL -

Take last year's 04 - 6 teams played exclusively JDL.  Between ECNL and DA this year, I believe there are 8 teams.  That's only 2 additional teams.  If you remove Rush, there is only an addiitonal team to fill.  Add to that girls who stayed 03 and will be dropping back to 04.  So I don't see much of a "net" change in LH.

Last year's 05?  How many were already NOT playing LH and were playing JDL only?  


What I think will be amusing to watch - is what happens when the hordes of players showing up for ECNL / DA practices realize that Suzi isn't going to make one of those teams?

Watch the mass panic as girls then try to go find a home on a LH DI team.

Ultimately, I predict that most of these clubs will string kids along as long as possible with the plan that if they don't make the ECNL / DA teams, then they can "assign" them to or "suggest" another club team (with, of course, the "possible opportunity" to get playing time on the ECNL  / DA team since you play for one of the Elite clubs).


You are correct, these teams and leagues are not for everyone. The point is LHGCL and PPL, and Irving will always get their numbers. The missing piece will be the talent.

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Post by Zizou 02/05/17, 09:08 am

BigboyBentley wrote:Bingo unless your kid is a superstar go knock someone off that makes sense otherwisw they already have their paid cliemts. 98 percent of the kids don't fit this mold...don't leave a team unless your child is wanting a challenge and a better squad to develop w a good coach.


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Post by Big Boy Bentley 02/05/17, 09:09 am

How's Leroy doing did he make it to your practice?

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Post by Zizou 02/05/17, 09:11 am

Yes, no, maybe, I don't know. Does that answer your question?

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Post by kick_tha_ball 02/05/17, 09:13 am

bwgophers wrote:So what's your real issue here?

You've clearly got a plan that you feel is best for your DD and family situation.  Others have a plan that they feel is best for their DD and their family situation.

If you think some or all of those people are being sheep, then let them be sheep.  What does it matter to you?

You're being too logical for this forum.
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Post by Guest 02/05/17, 09:15 am

SickofSilliness wrote:I just don't see a YUGE exodus from LHGCL -

Take last year's 04 - 6 teams played exclusively JDL.  Between ECNL and DA this year, I believe there are 8 teams.  That's only 2 additional teams.  If you remove Rush, there is only an addiitonal team to fill.  Add to that girls who stayed 03 and will be dropping back to 04.  So I don't see much of a "net" change in LH.

Last year's 05?  How many were already NOT playing LH and were playing JDL only?  


What I think will be amusing to watch - is what happens when the hordes of players showing up for ECNL / DA practices realize that Suzi isn't going to make one of those teams?

Watch the mass panic as girls then try to go find a home on a LH DI team.

Ultimately, I predict that most of these clubs will string kids along as long as possible with the plan that if they don't make the ECNL / DA teams, then they can "assign" them to or "suggest" another club team (with, of course, the "possible opportunity" to get playing time on the ECNL  / DA team since you play for one of the Elite clubs).

Meh.

90% will be figured out by the end of next week. After 1-2 practices, it will be pretty clear to most who has the goods and who doesn't. Some will figure it out on their own, and some will be told by the coaches that they should explore other options, either within the club or outside the club. The ECNL/DA coaches won't waste their time with kids they have no intention of considering.

There will always be bubble kids. That's a fact of life with tryouts for any competitive team in any sport. But this will only be a small number of kids, not the majority.

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Post by HomeStretch 02/05/17, 09:16 am

ColtMcVince wrote:Could be right.  I wonder how many within that 80% started playing ECNL at the earliest possible age.  Hard to know.  One thing I do know is that it wasn't at U13.  


I think that 80% number is pulled out of thin air. Seeing lists of players who verbally commit to a college is not the same thing as "scholarship". You are on the right track. If your daughter is not truly in love with this game, don't play the scholarship lottery. The odds are not in your favor.

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Post by ColtMcVince 02/05/17, 09:39 am

BW, I don't have a problem with any of you doing whatever you want. This is a forum to spark conversation. Read the OP, I said how many of the top kids will in fact do what the clubs are suggesting they do. All of them? Or is there a percentage, like me, who at age 12 are not interested in it. If you are go for it.

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Post by Zizou 02/05/17, 09:43 am

Those that feel they are elite players 98%

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Post by Guest 02/05/17, 09:53 am

ColtMcVince wrote:BW, I don't have a problem with any of you doing whatever you want.  This is a forum to spark conversation.  Read the OP, I said how many of the top kids will in fact do what the clubs are suggesting they do.  All of them?  Or is there a percentage, like me, who at age 12 are not interested in it.  If you are go for it.  

Well... that's not how you phrased the OP. You implied that those that who didn't take the path you did were sheep blindly following the big club shepherds. That suggests a disdain for those who don't see it the same way you do. Nothing wrong with that, just own up to it if that's the case, rather than be passive-aggressive about it.

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Post by SocDad 02/05/17, 09:55 am

bwgophers wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:I just don't see a YUGE exodus from LHGCL -

Take last year's 04 - 6 teams played exclusively JDL.  Between ECNL and DA this year, I believe there are 8 teams.  That's only 2 additional teams.  If you remove Rush, there is only an addiitonal team to fill.  Add to that girls who stayed 03 and will be dropping back to 04.  So I don't see much of a "net" change in LH.

Last year's 05?  How many were already NOT playing LH and were playing JDL only?  


What I think will be amusing to watch - is what happens when the hordes of players showing up for ECNL / DA practices realize that Suzi isn't going to make one of those teams?

Watch the mass panic as girls then try to go find a home on a LH DI team.

Ultimately, I predict that most of these clubs will string kids along as long as possible with the plan that if they don't make the ECNL / DA teams, then they can "assign" them to or "suggest" another club team (with, of course, the "possible opportunity" to get playing time on the ECNL  / DA team since you play for one of the Elite clubs).

Meh.

90% will be figured out by the end of next week.  After 1-2 practices, it will be pretty clear to most who has the goods and who doesn't.  Some will figure it out on their own, and some will be told by the coaches that they should explore other options, either within the club or outside the club.  The ECNL/DA coaches won't waste their time with kids they have no intention of considering.

There will always be bubble kids.  That's a fact of life with tryouts for any competitive team in any sport.  But this will only be a small number of kids, not the majority.

But when will these kids be told?  After they wasted a full two weeks trying out or after a few practices?
If a child goes to too many practices with one club....it could diminish their chances at another club. because they wasted all the tryout days at one particular club.
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Post by jogobonito06 02/05/17, 10:01 am

Every kid from club X, who tested the waters last night at club Y was offered a spot.

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