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SickofStupidity wrote:it does - but that doesn't include ECNL players - so a D2 team could only CPP 1 D1 player, but could CPP 3 ECNL players

LH recognized the problem of CPP in the final games to avoid relegation - so they limited teams to 1 CPP in the final 3 games.  Doesn't address the same problem in the other 80%+ of the games

I see what you are trying to say but it doesnt really make sense. Seeing how most ECNL players in LH are there because of dual roster not CPP.

I hear you.

But it's not like LH doesn't already acknowledge the issue.  It's a matter of doing what's possible to try and address it.  Just more I think that can be done.

On the CPP / dual-roster point - you don't usually know who is dual-rostered, but the game day line-up clearly denotes CPP.  In my experience from the past couple years, CPP'd players had a noticeable impact on the games - in minutes played and contribution - above "rostered" players (dual or not). (I don't believe that dual-rostered players would usually be starters or major contributors to ECNL teams.)

Unless they adopt the rules like Plano league where it's a closed roster, the pyramid model continues to rule the other leagues. The Bigs run this sideshow. I don't see much changing unless the parents quit buying their product and look for other options of development and path.

SickofStupidity wrote:I hear you.

But it's not like LH doesn't already acknowledge the issue.  It's a matter of doing what's possible to try and address it.  Just more I think that can be done.

On the CPP / dual-roster point - you don't usually know who is dual-rostered, but the game day line-up clearly denotes CPP.  In my experience from the past couple years, CPP'd players had a noticeable impact on the games - in minutes played and contribution - above "rostered" players (dual or not).  (I don't believe that dual-rostered players would usually be starters or major contributors to ECNL teams.)

All true and yes LH has tried to get a handle on the situation to keep the bigs at bay. I simple search will bring up the ECNL roster and a quick look will tell you the dual rostered players. Yes if you CPP a player you are usually looking for an impact player. If they do not play a big factor in game I would question the use of that player. But the points are all valid and heard.

Foxy it's easier for you to work the streets and make your lunch money than actually work 8 to 5 at the local retail shop.

Medicine Man wrote:Unless they adopt the rules like Plano league where it's a closed roster, the pyramid model continues to rule the other leagues. The Bigs run this sideshow. I don't see much changing unless the parents quit buying their product and look for other options of development and path.

I believe Plano adopted the rule to keep LH players out.

They have a different business model than the other leagues. It's their marketing niche. It keeps it clean.

Ha marketing niche. That’s a good one.
Plano is the league without the best players. Come play here.
Brilliant.

KC takes the bait once again. You run LH what if you had teams in Plano? Have you used that 1 percent of brain power yet...not yet.

Who runs LH and has teams in Plano?

Make more leagues KC I would like to see a new one every year.

Speaking from first hand experience...the top 3-5 teams from Plano AND the top 2ish teams from Arlington are QUITE capable of beating ANY D3 lake highlands team and about 3/4 of the lake highlands D2 teams. I've actually seen those wins occur on more than one occasion...and not the "fluke counter to the big kid goal/park the bus" types of win a lá Sting. I'm talking legitimate wins. Beyond the D1 product and those few "almost-there's" LH folks are a little too smug in the alleged dominance of they're product IMHO. There really are some quality sides out there that are doing the right things for these young ladies and the football they play is enjoyable to watch.

Medicine Man wrote:KC takes the bait once again. You run LH what if you had teams in Plano? Have you used that 1 percent of brain power yet...not yet.

Classic ^ -- especially considering the source.

Do ya know what a pyramid scheme is?

,and (even more pertinent to your argument) ...

Do ya know the meaning of the word 'development'?

Medicine Man wrote:Make more leagues KC I would like to see a new one every year.

Lets start by using complete sentences and thoughts.
You can not market a lower league by claiming you are the one that is keeping the best players out. That is asinine. However it makes perfect sense coming from you.

Blob wrote:Speaking from first hand experience...the top 3-5 teams from Plano AND the top 2ish teams from Arlington are QUITE capable of beating ANY D3 lake highlands team and about 3/4 of the lake highlands D2 teams.  I've actually seen those wins occur on more than one occasion...and not the "fluke counter to the big kid goal/park the bus" types of win a lá Sting. I'm talking legitimate wins. Beyond the D1 product and those few "almost-there's" LH folks are a little too smug in the alleged dominance of they're product IMHO. There really are some quality sides out there that are doing the right things for these young ladies and the football they play is enjoyable to watch.

Very True,
But there are some teams trying to work their way up and have to start at the bottom.
And if those teams encounter teams using all their dual roster and CPP players so be it.
To be the best you have to beat the best.

I imagine not...He can't even spell "Ponzi".

SoccerPunch wrote:

Blob wrote:Speaking from first hand experience...the top 3-5 teams from Plano AND the top 2ish teams from Arlington are QUITE capable of beating ANY D3 lake highlands team and about 3/4 of the lake highlands D2 teams.  I've actually seen those wins occur on more than one occasion...and not the "fluke counter to the big kid goal/park the bus" types of win a lá Sting. I'm talking legitimate wins. Beyond the D1 product and those few "almost-there's" LH folks are a little too smug in the alleged dominance of they're product IMHO. There really are some quality sides out there that are doing the right things for these young ladies and the football they play is enjoyable to watch.

Very True,
But there are some teams trying to work their way up and have to start at the bottom.
And if those teams encounter teams using all their dual roster and CPP players so be it.
To be the best you have to beat the best.

Many teams relish playing the top teams to see where they fall in the grand scheme. You are right though Blob the top teams in say Plano do stack up rather well against D3 teams. Arlington? Well maybe I do not know.

SoccerPunch wrote:

Blob wrote:Speaking from first hand experience...the top 3-5 teams from Plano AND the top 2ish teams from Arlington are QUITE capable of beating ANY D3 lake highlands team and about 3/4 of the lake highlands D2 teams.  I've actually seen those wins occur on more than one occasion...and not the "fluke counter to the big kid goal/park the bus" types of win a lá Sting. I'm talking legitimate wins. Beyond the D1 product and those few "almost-there's" LH folks are a little too smug in the alleged dominance of they're product IMHO. There really are some quality sides out there that are doing the right things for these young ladies and the football they play is enjoyable to watch.

Very True,
But there are some teams trying to work their way up and have to start at the bottom.
And if those teams encounter teams using all their dual roster and CPP players so be it.
To be the best you have to beat the best.

And I suppose you sign up for the highest brackets in tournaments so you can see if your team can beat the best?

I agree SoccerPunch. I always admire those dudes we've watched grow over the years. You know the ones: they have a good coach and he or she is growing the team organically, they've consistently improved over the years, the parents have a good dynamic and support, and they slowly get better every time you encounter them. I'm admittedly an "underdog" kind of fan but I also appreciate watching those groups that are earning their way. There's just an air of success and confidence you can see in those young ladies. They may not ever be the DA kiddos but the pride and desire to improve at their craft is easy to spot.

(NOT implying that anyone else doesn't have that same thing occurring...just teams like that tend to catch my attention. You can find yourself secretly rooting for those kids' success even though you have no vested interest in them)

Blob wrote:I agree SoccerPunch. I always admire those dudes we've watched grow over the years. You know the ones:  they have a good coach and he or she is growing the team organically, they've consistently improved over the years, the parents have a good dynamic and support, and they slowly get better every time you encounter them. I'm admittedly an "underdog" kind of fan but I also appreciate watching those groups that are earning their way. There's just an air of success and confidence you can see in those young ladies. They may not ever be the DA kiddos but the pride and desire to improve at their craft is easy to spot.

(NOT implying that anyone else doesn't have that same thing occurring...just teams like that tend to catch my attention. You can find yourself secretly rooting for those kids' success even though you have no vested interest in them)

Well Written Sir,

Thanks

SickofStupidity wrote:

SoccerPunch wrote:

Blob wrote:Speaking from first hand experience...the top 3-5 teams from Plano AND the top 2ish teams from Arlington are QUITE capable of beating ANY D3 lake highlands team and about 3/4 of the lake highlands D2 teams.  I've actually seen those wins occur on more than one occasion...and not the "fluke counter to the big kid goal/park the bus" types of win a lá Sting. I'm talking legitimate wins. Beyond the D1 product and those few "almost-there's" LH folks are a little too smug in the alleged dominance of they're product IMHO. There really are some quality sides out there that are doing the right things for these young ladies and the football they play is enjoyable to watch.

Very True,
But there are some teams trying to work their way up and have to start at the bottom.
And if those teams encounter teams using all their dual roster and CPP players so be it.
To be the best you have to beat the best.

And I suppose you sign up for the highest brackets in tournaments so you can see if your team can beat the best?

Ya know you'll find that teams tend to play up to a level they are playing in and they will also play down to the level they are playing in. A team that decides to move up may get destroyed at first but by the end of the season you may see them grasp the speed and the skill of that level and equal out.

SoccerPunch wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

SoccerPunch wrote:

Blob wrote:Speaking from first hand experience...the top 3-5 teams from Plano AND the top 2ish teams from Arlington are QUITE capable of beating ANY D3 lake highlands team and about 3/4 of the lake highlands D2 teams.  I've actually seen those wins occur on more than one occasion...and not the "fluke counter to the big kid goal/park the bus" types of win a lá Sting. I'm talking legitimate wins. Beyond the D1 product and those few "almost-there's" LH folks are a little too smug in the alleged dominance of they're product IMHO. There really are some quality sides out there that are doing the right things for these young ladies and the football they play is enjoyable to watch.

Very True,
But there are some teams trying to work their way up and have to start at the bottom.
And if those teams encounter teams using all their dual roster and CPP players so be it.
To be the best you have to beat the best.

And I suppose you sign up for the highest brackets in tournaments so you can see if your team can beat the best?

Ya know you'll find that teams tend to play up to a level they are playing in and they will also play down to the level they are playing in. A team that decides to move up may get destroyed at first but by the end of the season you may see them grasp the speed and the skill of that level and equal out.

Conveniently, you avoided answering the question.

SickofStupidity wrote:

SoccerPunch wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

SoccerPunch wrote:

Blob wrote:Speaking from first hand experience...the top 3-5 teams from Plano AND the top 2ish teams from Arlington are QUITE capable of beating ANY D3 lake highlands team and about 3/4 of the lake highlands D2 teams.  I've actually seen those wins occur on more than one occasion...and not the "fluke counter to the big kid goal/park the bus" types of win a lá Sting. I'm talking legitimate wins. Beyond the D1 product and those few "almost-there's" LH folks are a little too smug in the alleged dominance of they're product IMHO. There really are some quality sides out there that are doing the right things for these young ladies and the football they play is enjoyable to watch.

Very True,
But there are some teams trying to work their way up and have to start at the bottom.
And if those teams encounter teams using all their dual roster and CPP players so be it.
To be the best you have to beat the best.

And I suppose you sign up for the highest brackets in tournaments so you can see if your team can beat the best?

Ya know you'll find that teams tend to play up to a level they are playing in and they will also play down to the level they are playing in. A team that decides to move up may get destroyed at first but by the end of the season you may see them grasp the speed and the skill of that level and equal out.

Conveniently, you avoided answering the question.

As i have no control on what bracket is chosen. I wish they would sometimes.
Answer good enough? First year with new team we will see.

OMGeeeee! I know you asked SoccerPunch but the sarcastic tenor of your question needs a response I suppose. So, I'll answer for MY DD's team and say "YES" they will consistently punch above their weight class in tourneys. That's the purpose of the tournament, is it not? Challenge the group, play teams you normally don't see, and build unity (even moreso out of town). I'm not sure what you want to accomplish by asking SP that anyway...not all teams are trophy hunting ass.

Blob wrote:OMGeeeee!  I know you asked SoccerPunch but the sarcastic tenor of your question needs a response I suppose. So, I'll answer for MY DD's team and say "YES" they will consistently punch above their weight class in tourneys. That's the purpose of the tournament, is it not?  Challenge the group, play teams you normally don't see, and build unity (even moreso out of town).  I'm not sure what you want to accomplish by asking SP that anyway...not all teams are trophy hunting ass.

Yes sir,
And if your destroying teams in a bronze or silver division then next Tourney try and move up one see what happens.

Thank you

Blob wrote:OMGeeeee!  I know you asked SoccerPunch but the sarcastic tenor of your question needs a response I suppose. So, I'll answer for MY DD's team and say "YES" they will consistently punch above their weight class in tourneys. That's the purpose of the tournament, is it not?  Challenge the group, play teams you normally don't see, and build unity (even moreso out of town).  I'm not sure what you want to accomplish by asking SP that anyway...not all teams are trophy hunting ass.

To some the purpose of a tournament is to get some hardware in 3 days of games. Trophy hunting is all that some parents care about. To accomplish this you have to find those tournaments that you are the best team entered.
Some of the best coaches only play those that the talent level is equal or better than their team.
And so on...