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Post by Lefty 08/01/18, 11:36 am

SickofStupidity wrote:At age 56, Lefty's daughter is asked "What is the biggest accomplishment of your life?"

"The biggest accomplishment of my life?  Well, making the U14 DA team, of course!"



sad

Sad, but true, in some cases for DD's that one of my DD's played with in the LHGCL/Red Bull/National League/ODP days.

Others from her teams are now Teachers, Engineers, Bankers, Architects, Vets, Dentists, Doctors & Attorneys so they were not scarred too much from not making the ODP Regional Teams, or national team pools.


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Post by SickofStupidity 08/01/18, 11:39 am

Lefty wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:At age 56, Lefty's daughter is asked "What is the biggest accomplishment of your life?"

"The biggest accomplishment of my life?  Well, making the U14 DA team, of course!"



sad

Sad but true in some cases for DD's that one of my DD's played with in the LHGCL/Red Bull/National League/ODP days.

Some from her teams are now Teachers, Engineers, Bankers, Architects, Vets, Dentists, Doctors & Attorneys so they were not scarred too much from not making the national teams.

and yet, their biggest accomplishment in life is making (in your case) ODP at U14?

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Post by Guest 08/01/18, 11:55 am

Moderators should lock this thread...

So they can restart this debate on a whole new thread.

Or better yet...start a poll on whether or not ECNL will survive. Everyone who gives a damn,vote. No explanation needed.

And maybe Zizou and or BigErn can do a DA podcast or something.

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Post by Lefty 08/01/18, 11:55 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
Lefty wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:At age 56, Lefty's daughter is asked "What is the biggest accomplishment of your life?"

"The biggest accomplishment of my life?  Well, making the U14 DA team, of course!"



sad

Sad but true in some cases for DD's that one of my DD's played with in the LHGCL/Red Bull/National League/ODP days.

Some from her teams are now Teachers, Engineers, Bankers, Architects, Vets, Dentists, Doctors & Attorneys so they were not scarred too much from not making the national teams.

and yet, their biggest accomplishment in life is making (in your case) ODP at U14?

Doubt that any of the above would list ODP as anything significant in their life.

There are a few from her playing days that might list making the ODP Regional Team as a life highlight, but thinking they would more likely list signing with (not necessarily graduating from) a multidirectional out of state school for a quarter scholarship as the highlight.

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Post by KeeperCommander 08/01/18, 12:31 pm

JonSneauxTargaryen wrote:Dark Side= “Whatever side you’re not on”
Dark Side because they know you will eventually be coming over. It’s your destiny.

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Post by Guest 08/01/18, 12:40 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
JonSneauxTargaryen wrote:Dark Side= “Whatever side you’re not on”
Dark Side because they know you will eventually be coming over. It’s your destiny.


....its where you want to be.



Until you get there.

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Post by Multivitamin 08/01/18, 02:09 pm

Shocked


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Post by Guest 08/01/18, 02:22 pm

Where’d it go?


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Post by Lefty 08/01/18, 02:24 pm

And the beat goes on.

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Post by Medicine Man 08/01/18, 02:39 pm

Sonny and Cher are still friends.

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Post by SickofStupidity 08/01/18, 03:24 pm

Multivitamin wrote:Shocked

Cold feet?

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Post by Guest 08/01/18, 03:26 pm

Lol...he deleted it

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Post by SickofStupidity 08/01/18, 03:27 pm

Figured maybe his kid got ahold of his account and started posting.

or his wife

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Post by Big Ern 08/01/18, 03:42 pm

SickofStupidity wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
UTrippin wrote:

U absolutely right trippin ... There are players not participating in ECNL or GDA that will receive a college soccer scholarship.  This was especially true just a few years ago before ECNL, but with the onset of GDA now as well, the chances of this happening aren't promising, and you can expect those chances to become even more miniscule in the near future ... Just the harsh reality of tomorrow's recruiting landscape.  This is because 90+% of kids participating in ECNL until at least U17 over the past 4 years have received college soccer scholarships ... with 90+% of those being at D1 schools.  GDA is only a few months in but those numbers are likely going to come in even higher due to it being a bit more exclusive with fewer programs + a higher level of talent in general.  These numbers are due to both tremendous exposure and tremendous need.  At ECNL and GDA Showcase events, there are 100+ college coaches scouting the talent.  Those leagues regularly have college coaches at standard league matches, and while this may sound insane, I've seen multiple college coaches (not all local) attending multiple GDA training sessions this Fall to scout talent.  

More reality ... If a player that wants to play in college is good enough to make an ECNL or GDA team, she will.  And if her parents can't afford it, she will be offered financial assistance from the club.  If she isn't good enough, she will struggle to get any exposure while playing in LH, PPL, Arlington, or HS ball.

Another tidbit ... Despite what you many of you may believe, the girls playing in GDA are still playing because the game is fun.  It's all relative to the level that the girls are playing at.  For example -- In general, a GDA athlete doesn't have fun playing at the level that most HS teams play at.  Conversely, a kid playing at the LH/HS level probably won't have much fun playing at the GDA level.  

Almost forgot ... While it isn't an expectation for 99.99% of the kids participating in GDA to make at NT roster, with roughly 4,800 kids participating in GDA with ~216 roster spots on US NTs = 4.5% could end up on one.


Well, sir, if you are going to use these numbers to support your 4.5% claim, it assumes:

(1) only the 4800 kids participating in GDA are eligible for roster spots, and
(2) all 216 spots are up for grabs each year

Neither of the above are the case.

That's like saying "with roughly 10,965 players participating in D1 college football with ~1696 roster spots on pro football teams = 15.5% of college D1 players could end up playing in the NFL."

Again, if you would keep your commentary to things you "know", you will sound more credible.

I know numbers and statistics are hard for you to wrap your noggin around, so I kindly recommend that the next time you want to wow us with your math skills, you take a deep breath, step away from your keyboard, and reconsider.

Is this the eleventh, or the thirteenth time you've attempted to zing me using this same, tired line Silliness?  

But once again, in your race for power and glory, your forgot one, small detail ... "could"

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Post by Big Ern 08/01/18, 03:45 pm

Cleansheets wrote:I think what's getting lost is the fact that there are several levels to choose from here in NTX. Ideally your DD should be playing at the level that best fits her ability. One that challenges but doesen't demoralize. Ulitimately the most important thing is it doesn't matter if your DD is playing DA or Plano Premier D3. The games, the teams and leagues are equally important to each player and their families regardless of what acronym they are playing in.

Never use this before sheets but ... ^ cheers

The one before this'n was fantastic as well but I've never been able to figure out the 'multi quote' ...

See ya out there!

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Post by SickofStupidity 08/01/18, 03:53 pm

Well then, I guess the following is true as well:

1.76% could end up on one
or 84.534%
or .000046%
or 6.3342%
or 12.649%

So . . . what was the point of throwing a couple of numbers out there (like dividing the number of US NT spots by the number of kids in DA to create a percentage . . .  that means nothing?)

With your statement "with roughly 4,800 kids participating in GDA with ~216 roster spots on US NTs = 4.5% could end up on one," I thought you were trying to use those numbers to make some kind of point.

Apparently the only point you were trying to make was "look here, I know how to divide". Impressive!


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Post by Multivitamin 08/01/18, 04:40 pm

Laughing


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Post by President Camacho 08/01/18, 05:00 pm

I just want my girls to have fun and enjoy the beautiful game regardless of where. Set good habits and life lessons, not glued to the TV or video games drinking sodas and crap and becoming obese like a large portion of our society.

But a bit sad that I missed the deleted post by multivitamin.


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Post by AtThePitch 08/01/18, 05:18 pm

Don't worry, it's a badly kept secret.

News is coming. Get the popcorn ready!

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Post by Big Ern 08/01/18, 06:30 pm

SickofStupidity wrote:Well then, I guess the following is true as well:

1.76% could end up on one
or 84.534%
or .000046%
or 6.3342%
or 12.649%

So . . . what was the point of throwing a couple of numbers out there (like dividing the number of US NT spots by the number of kids in DA to create a percentage . . .  that means nothing?)

With your statement "with roughly 4,800 kids participating in GDA with ~216 roster spots on US NTs = 4.5% could end up on one," I thought you were trying to use those numbers to make some kind of point.

Apparently the only point you were trying to make was "look here, I know how to divide".   Impressive!


Rough ^ (I expected a little more out of a varsity letterman) --

Ummm ... that, or ...

My point coulda been that trippin's, "99.9% of DA players, won't make the National Team ... I would add several 9's to that number" commentary is a tad off base Sir.  You know ... that .00000001% isn't near as accurate as the 4.5% number that could end up on one.

But we're splittin' hairs here aren't we?  The number is small and as I mentioned, it's not the expectation of most for the GDA kids to make a YNT, nor is it really all that relevant to the gist of my reply now is it?

What do you want to discuss now?  My favorite color?  What is it in that lil' head of yours that can't help but frantically skim through any post I make in desperate search of the most irrelevant component of it?  Puzzling.  Is it the short lived satisfaction where you think, "ohhh ... I got him now"?  Or maybe you were one of those class clown types that gets a kick outta making ole Bubba in the back of the room giggle a bit?  

Regardless, the smart people on this forum have spoken -- It's time to button this one up Gentlemen.

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Post by Medicine Man 08/01/18, 09:47 pm

BigE do we say the ECNL number is approximately  99.995 not making the national team before DA? Your a smart guy write up a hypothesis and get back to us. I am going to pull a Zizou....Zzzzz.

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Post by Multivitamin 09/01/18, 12:21 am

Sure would be nice to see a true North American Cup replace the Champions league with an ECNL Canada and an ECNL Mexico. study

Sure makes a Phoenix trip worth a little ECNL international action. Sure makes a New Jersey trip plausible from ECNL Canada team. Right now DIG, Disney and Vegas continually bring international teams to name a few tourneys/showcases. They went pure age for a reason folks! Money talks and whomever grabs the bull by the horns and gets the money for international play at youth level will win this war. ECNL will survive!
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Post by Zizou 09/01/18, 01:12 pm

International teams bring very little to the table as far as increasing competition levels.

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Post by Multivitamin 09/01/18, 01:17 pm

Zizou wrote:International teams bring very little to the table as far as increasing competition levels.


Oh contrary the benefits are exponential.
1) International Travel
2) Easier access for colleges to identify International talent
3) More revenue ( all parties ) - not the parents though.
4) Diversity
5) Exposed to different styles of play
6) Exposed to cultural values ( travel play )
7) International Scouts exposure

I'm sure we can add more but this holds a big enough carrot to me to compete with DA!
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Post by Lefty 09/01/18, 01:18 pm

Zizou wrote:International teams bring very little to the table as far as increasing competition levels.

Would agree for the most part.

My perception has been they are typically non-competitive if not affiliated with one of the professional teams, and even then, they tend to be skilled and tactical but woefully short of athletic ability.

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Post by Multivitamin 09/01/18, 01:24 pm

Lefty wrote:
Zizou wrote:International teams bring very little to the table as far as increasing competition levels.

Would agree for the most part.  

My perception has been they are typically non-competitive if not affiliated with one of the professional teams, and even then, they tend to be skilled and tactical but woefully short of athletic ability.


Typically non-competitive somewhat agree..... ( although their is teams of girls who play boys and also co-ed who I have seen that are incredible internationally )

When you throw ECNL International - well its like how everyone flocked to DA teams is what would happen in Canada and Mexico. Throw in Costa Rica and Puerto Rico - Both have been competing with ODP for years! Its a win win and whomever grabs the market will benefit and establish themselves as the BEST organization in my book.
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