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Post by Zizou 08/11/17, 06:23 am

My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.

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Post by KeeperCommander 08/11/17, 06:34 am

Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Aside from the classroom lectures which unless you are 17 or 18 is not needed or useful we have everything that you just mentioned. Perhaps your ECNL coach just sucked.

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Post by SickofStupidity 08/11/17, 07:30 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Aside from the classroom lectures which unless you are 17 or 18 is not needed or useful we have everything that you just mentioned. Perhaps your ECNL coach just sucked.

cheers

And not every DA team has everything Zuzu listed above.

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Post by HomeStretch 08/11/17, 08:07 am

1more_dd_dad wrote:ECNL will survive and remain relevant because of its stated goal.  ECNL is a platform to gain exposure for college.  I think things will settle after a few years when ECNL proves its still able to have a large percentage of its young ladies gain college commitments.  The funny thing about DA, it is supposed to be a platform to create a common curriculum that ultimately leads to the National Team.  When will Solar adopt the Texans play style or FCD adopt Solar's play style or when will all three adopt the Michigan Hawks play style?  Nothing has changes except DA is ECNL v2 with more practice and no high school for a group of girls that 99.9% will never be sniffed by the US National team...

USYS still produced 40% of D1 college commitments even when ecnl was in its heyday. That doesn't tell the story of how ecnl had substantially eroded the quality from NL / PL. Every year more top talent was absorbed into the top league. The coaches will follow the talent. ECNL will survive and have paying customers just as USYS still hosts all the same leagues and competitions. That doesn't mean it will be "elite" or the destination for the majority of the best players in 3 to 5 years.

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Post by Zizou 08/11/17, 08:55 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Aside from the classroom lectures which unless you are 17 or 18 is not needed or useful we have everything that you just mentioned. Perhaps your ECNL coach just sucked.

cheers

And not every DA team has everything Zuzu listed above.

That is funny you say that!

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Post by Medicine Man 08/11/17, 11:15 am

Zizou been talking to the FBI how would he know? His kid hasn't been in ODP ECNL or competitive soccer for 5 years. He's been taking MMA lessons getting signed up by the great Shaw of Mid South Wrestling.

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Post by President Camacho 08/11/17, 11:19 am

Just when I thought Medicine Man had calmed down and making more sensible posts, he goes off the rails trolling again with obscure references...and I'm not comprehending them all.
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Post by Medicine Man 08/11/17, 11:46 am

Macho Camacho is ready for his wrestling match.

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Post by KeeperCommander 08/11/17, 02:33 pm

Zizou wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Aside from the classroom lectures which unless you are 17 or 18 is not needed or useful we have everything that you just mentioned. Perhaps your ECNL coach just sucked.

cheers

And not every DA team has everything Zuzu listed above.

That is funny you say that!
Take a step back and look at all the coaches that are coaching DA right now. Anything look familiar? It should. It’s the same coaches that coached ECNL or LH and maybe Academy. Nothing is different. If they sucked then they will suck now. The way they coach, philosophy, skill level, everything. If they were good then they still are good. If you are lucky enough to have one of those then awesome for you.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 09/11/17, 09:02 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Aside from the classroom lectures which unless you are 17 or 18 is not needed or useful we have everything that you just mentioned. Perhaps your ECNL coach just sucked.

cheers

And not every DA team has everything Zuzu listed above.

That is funny you say that!
Take a step back and look at all the coaches that are coaching DA right now. Anything look familiar? It should. It’s the same coaches that coached ECNL or LH and maybe Academy. Nothing is different. If they sucked then they will suck now. The way they coach, philosophy, skill level, everything. If they were good then they still are good. If you are lucky enough to have one of those then awesome for you.

You have hit the nail KC.  The only counter is that one of the DA clubs has already shown that one coach couldn't cut it and made a change.  Performance was bad, results were worse, and nothing had changed from the year before.  Did USSF demand the change or did the club?  That is the question.
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Post by KeeperCommander 09/11/17, 09:07 am

Probably more player talent deficiency that coaching performance.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 09/11/17, 09:18 am

KeeperCommander wrote:Probably more player talent deficiency that coaching performance.

Probably both.
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Post by Guest 09/11/17, 09:21 am

KeeperCommander wrote:Probably more player talent deficiency that coaching performance.


Yep...
Because even with the coaching change the results are similar.

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Post by KeeperCommander 09/11/17, 09:22 am

For DA to work you have to have the top players. Otherwise the structure does not work. They had it backwards.

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Post by SickofStupidity 09/11/17, 09:26 am

JonSneauxTargaryen wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:Probably more player talent deficiency that coaching performance.


Yep...
Because even with the coaching change the results are similar.


Prior to coaching change - Solar wins 5-0
A few weeks after coaching change - Tie 0-0

yep, similar

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Post by Guest 09/11/17, 09:33 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
JonSneauxTargaryen wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:Probably more player talent deficiency that coaching performance.


Yep...
Because even with the coaching change the results are similar.


Prior to coaching change - Solar wins 5-0
A few weeks after coaching change - Tie 0-0

yep, similar

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overall..... "similar"

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Post by Big Ern 09/11/17, 09:47 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Aside from the classroom lectures which unless you are 17 or 18 is not needed or useful we have everything that you just mentioned. Perhaps your ECNL coach just sucked.

cheers

And not every DA team has everything Zuzu listed above.

That is funny you say that!
Take a step back and look at all the coaches that are coaching DA right now. Anything look familiar? It should. It’s the same coaches that coached ECNL or LH and maybe Academy. Nothing is different. If they sucked then they will suck now. The way they coach, philosophy, skill level, everything. If they were good then they still are good. If you are lucky enough to have one of those then awesome for you.

You have hit the nail KC.  The only counter is that one of the DA clubs has already shown that one coach couldn't cut it and made a change.  Performance was bad, results were worse, and nothing had changed from the year before.  Did USSF demand the change or did the club?  That is the question.

Not sure guys why you'd expect the coaches to change much for the kids going from ECNL to DA ... other than the addition of AG, BT and MO at FCD (two USSF A and one B), I think the DA staffs are the same as the ECNL staffs were last year at the Big 3.  The changes come with implementation of USSDA guidelines which enforce structure to the clubs and coaches, whereas the clubs and coaches were free to operate as they like with ECNL.  

Sure ... There have been secondhand claims from a couple of you soccer dads that heard from a friend of a friend (and don't even have kids participating in the program) that a coach has gone about 'business as usual', and I'm sure this is the case, especially at the Texans in the U13 (which is a 'pilot' so isn't required to adhere to the guidelines) or U14 (which is sadly dreadful and they've already made a coaching change) groups.  GDA is in it's infancy -- Just as you'll see some clubs losing DA designation next year, you can expect to see this happening with petulant coaches as well.  And speaking of USSDA demands ... You can bet that you'll see most of their (Texans U13/U14) better talent from the ECNL sides in DA next year.  

As I/we have mentioned, we're about 10 weeks in.  No better way to call making statements like, "nothing's changed" than silly.  And KC ... outside of Texans in the younger groups, I'd challenge you to find a DA coach that you can make a legitimate case 'sucks'.

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Post by Guest 09/11/17, 09:54 am

BigErn wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:
SickofStupidity wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Aside from the classroom lectures which unless you are 17 or 18 is not needed or useful we have everything that you just mentioned. Perhaps your ECNL coach just sucked.

cheers

And not every DA team has everything Zuzu listed above.

That is funny you say that!
Take a step back and look at all the coaches that are coaching DA right now. Anything look familiar? It should. It’s the same coaches that coached ECNL or LH and maybe Academy. Nothing is different. If they sucked then they will suck now. The way they coach, philosophy, skill level, everything. If they were good then they still are good. If you are lucky enough to have one of those then awesome for you.

You have hit the nail KC.  The only counter is that one of the DA clubs has already shown that one coach couldn't cut it and made a change.  Performance was bad, results were worse, and nothing had changed from the year before.  Did USSF demand the change or did the club?  That is the question.

Not sure guys why you'd expect the coaches to change much for the kids going from ECNL to DA ... other than the addition of AG, BT and MO at FCD (two USSF A and one B), I think the DA staffs are the same as the ECNL staffs were last year at the Big 3.  The changes come with implementation of USSDA guidelines which enforce structure to the clubs and coaches, whereas the clubs and coaches were free to operate as they like with ECNL.  

Sure ... There have been secondhand claims from a couple of you soccer dads that heard from a friend of a friend (and don't even have kids participating in the program) that a coach has gone about 'business as usual', and I'm sure this is the case, especially at the Texans in the U13 (which is a 'pilot' so isn't required to adhere to the guidelines) or U14 (which is sadly dreadful and they've already made a coaching change) groups.  GDA is in it's infancy -- Just as you'll see some clubs losing DA designation next year, you can expect to see this happening with petulant coaches as well.  And speaking of USSDA demands ... You can bet that you'll see most of their (Texans U13/U14) better talent from the ECNL sides in DA next year.  

As I/we have mentioned, we're about 10 weeks in.  No better way to call making statements like, "nothing's changed" than silly.  And KC ... outside of Texans in the younger groups, I'd challenge you to find a DA coach that you can make a legitimate case 'sucks'.

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Post by KeeperCommander 09/11/17, 10:04 am

BigErn wrote:
Not sure guys why you'd expect the coaches to change much for the kids going from ECNL to DA ... other than the addition of AG, BT and MO at FCD (two USSF A and one B), I think the DA staffs are the same as the ECNL staffs were last year at the Big 3.  The changes come with implementation of USSDA guidelines which enforce structure to the clubs and coaches, whereas the clubs and coaches were free to operate as they like with ECNL.  

Sure ... There have been secondhand claims from a couple of you soccer dads that heard from a friend of a friend (and don't even have kids participating in the program) that a coach has gone about 'business as usual', and I'm sure this is the case, especially at the Texans in the U13 (which is a 'pilot' so isn't required to adhere to the guidelines) or U14 (which is sadly dreadful and they've already made a coaching change) groups.  GDA is in it's infancy -- Just as you'll see some clubs losing DA designation next year, you can expect to see this happening with petulant coaches as well.  And speaking of USSDA demands ... You can bet that you'll see most of their (Texans U13/U14) better talent from the ECNL sides in DA next year.  

As I/we have mentioned, we're about 10 weeks in.  No better way to call making statements like, "nothing's changed" than silly.  And KC ... outside of Texans in the younger groups, I'd challenge you to find a DA coach that you can make a legitimate case 'sucks'.
You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. I will give you that DA is in its infancy for girls. Let’s just go ahead and give that one to you, but if we do you cant have the its the best thing out there. You can not hide behind one and claim the other. That’s lunacy.
Statement about coaches that may suck: Never said a DA coach sucked, that was your mind thinking that so you must have someone in mind. Again not my words, yours. General statement about it being the same coaches. So why would there be any big differences aside from the curriculum?


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Post by KeeperCommander 09/11/17, 10:06 am

It apppears the DA folks are getting in a big huff because the ECNL folks are not scared of the DA. Someone says the ECNL will survive and they come unglued.

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Post by Big Ern 09/11/17, 10:31 am

KeeperCommander wrote:It apppears the DA folks are getting in a big huff because the ECNL folks are not scared of the DA.  Someone says the ECNL will survive and they come unglued.

I hope with this you weren't referring to me ... I've been one of the biggest advocates claiming that ECNL will remain legitimate and remain on the scene as long as they like (see posts in this very thread).  

The sensitivity is clearly coming from you're end of things Sir ... Maybe a touch of an inferiority complex ... I don't know -- es ok KC ... We hope to see and will welcome you + your kid following the others out to DA tryouts next Spring -- the more the merrier Wink.   

So please tell me where I'm hiding and eating cake.  Other than my subjective prognostication about next year's Texans U13/14 talent heading to the DA side (which, btw, most smart people agree with), what have I said here that isn't true?

Speaking of, "that was your mind thinking that", I never said that ECNL folks are scared of the DA ... Why would they be?  However, you can't tell us in writing this, "Take a step back and look at all the coaches that are coaching DA right now. Anything look familiar? It should. It’s the same coaches that coached ECNL or LH and maybe Academy. Nothing is different. If they sucked then they will suck now", that you didn't imply that some of the DA coaches sucked.

Lunacy?

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Post by Guest 09/11/17, 10:40 am

....he gotcha there.
You did imply that some coach in DA possibly “sucked.”

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Post by KeeperCommander 09/11/17, 10:49 am

BigErn wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:It apppears the DA folks are getting in a big huff because the ECNL folks are not scared of the DA.  Someone says the ECNL will survive and they come unglued.

I hope with this you weren't referring to me ... I've been one of the biggest advocates claiming that ECNL will remain legitimate and remain on the scene as long as they like (see posts in this very thread).  

The sensitivity is clearly coming from you're end of things Sir ... Maybe a touch of an inferiority complex ... I don't know -- es ok KC ... We hope to see and will welcome you + your kid following the others out to DA tryouts next Spring -- the more the merrier Wink.   

So please tell me where I'm hiding and eating cake.  Other than my subjective prognostication about next year's Texans U13/14 talent heading to the DA side (which, btw, most smart people agree with), what have I said here that isn't true?Actually most people have just been hoping and optimistic that it will happen.

Speaking of, "that was your mind thinking that", I never said that ECNL folks are scared of the DA ... Why would they be?  However, you can't tell us in writing this, "Take a step back and look at all the coaches that are coaching DA right now. Anything look familiar? It should. It’s the same coaches that coached ECNL or LH and maybe Academy. Nothing is different. If they sucked then they will suck now", that you didn't imply that some of the DA coaches sucked.Whatever, even though that was not the implication I will comply with your wish and say that some of them suck.

Lunacy?
Come on now E, you cant take everything so personal. No it wasn’t directed straight at you, more just about the general idea that was floating around the thread.

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Post by President Camacho 09/11/17, 10:55 am

Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Curious as to how much of the intended curriculum is getting used early on... Like how often does video analysis, nutrition and injury prevention get addressed? Concepts are great, Hope they are getting implemented.
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Post by SickofStupidity 09/11/17, 11:03 am

President Camacho wrote:
Zizou wrote:My DD has done both and we have definitely seen differences or have seen how USSF mandates how the coaches go about their training. A lot has to do with the clubs infrastructure and staff available to the players and teams. Nutrition, injury prevention, classroom lectures and teaching, video and coaches analysis , and multiple coaches training the girls. Just a few of the differences noticed.
Curious as to how much of the intended curriculum is getting used early on... Like how often does video analysis, nutrition and injury prevention get addressed? Concepts are great, Hope they are getting implemented.

BigE will tell you every team is providing everything above, as required. Some even have a psychologist on-hand!

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Post by Medicine Man 09/11/17, 11:48 am

BigE set the date for 2017. What will be the next date? 2012 2017 ?

It's a sinking ship w a new league.


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