The Pit - Frisco

A great place to play & compete, especially if you pay off the right people! Overheard parents upset this past weekend for their SIX YEAR OLD daughters championship soccer game where one team (I won't name any names here) added girls from another club to compete against the other team but were not on the approved roster sheet. When the parents of the other team who were upset about these new girls suddenly playing against them went to the front desk they were told by The Pit Frisco that this was "approved by corporate". Also that the certain coach in question here "brings a lot of teams through so while it's not fair there is only so much they can do".

I understand it's a numbers thing and he probably does bring many teams through but c'mon, these are 6 year old's. We're really stooping down to this level to cheat already? I realize with my daughter's teams who are now in high school could come up with something like that but i can't imagine to have to deal with it at 6 years old. Anyways just thought that was interesting from this weekend. Yay, youth sports!

I know that can be frustrating, but hopefully the girls learned something from the experience. Tougher competition accelerates development and that's a perfect time/place to gain the experience. At six years old in the indoor league that doesn't go on Gotsoccer team records. As far as having guest players, that's nothing really new, especially in the more informal indoor league setting.

The kids that Sat on the bench as spectators probably weren't too happy either. In this case no one wins except a coach that can't develop the players he's got.

ProDallas wrote:I know that can be frustrating, but hopefully the girls learned something from the experience. Tougher competition accelerates development and that's a perfect time/place to gain the experience. At six years old in the indoor league that doesn't go on Gotsoccer team records. As far as having guest players, that's nothing really new, especially in the more informal indoor league setting.  

Yeah, I don't think too many 6-year olds are worried about Gotsoccer rankings.

Good time to learn that some adults suck?  At 6?  

It's people like you with attitudes like this that try to suck the joy out of 6 YEAR OLD soccer.

SOS, you are missing the point. It is six-year old soccer. It is such a crucial time time in their soccer development. I mean, winning first place at the PIT for indoor soccer in kindergarten will probably be the difference in whether they make the USWNT one day. #adultsruinyouthsports #itisaboutthekids

Uncleof05AP wrote:SOS, you are missing the point.  It is six-year old soccer.   It is such a crucial time time in their soccer development.   I mean, winning first place at the PIT for indoor soccer in kindergarten will probably be the difference in whether they make the USWNT one day.  #adultsruinyouthsports #itisaboutthekids

My best advice is you should control that which you have control of. If you feel you have been cheated then make the change and move on. Your six year old probably had no clue what this other coach was doing. It seems the parent were the only ones that were effected here.

This coach isn't teaching his kids squat sitting on the bench who is this guy. I wouldn't waste my time playing on his team. If he is that clueless to not place the team he has in the right division I would be worried. Time to find a new team. Padding at this age is a joke.

Zizou wrote:

Uncleof05AP wrote:SOS, you are missing the point.  It is six-year old soccer.   It is such a crucial time time in their soccer development.   I mean, winning first place at the PIT for indoor soccer in kindergarten will probably be the difference in whether they make the USWNT one day.  #adultsruinyouthsports #itisaboutthekids

My best advice is you should control that which you have control of. If you feel you have been cheated then make the change and move on. Your six year old probably had no clue what this other coach was doing. It seems the parent were the only ones that were effected here.

Apparently you didn't read the original post.  Let me recap -

"one team (I won't name any names here) added girls from another club to compete against the other team but were not on the approved roster sheet" -  That team then won.  The team who played in the league as a team and brought their team to play - lost.

See the impact now?  See how the team who followed the rules, did what was expected, and played their way to the finals, was affected by the team that brought in ringers?  

If you are too stupid to realize that the 6 year old girls who lost were impacted by the actions of the other coach . . .

SickofStupidity wrote:

ProDallas wrote:I know that can be frustrating, but hopefully the girls learned something from the experience. Tougher competition accelerates development and that's a perfect time/place to gain the experience. At six years old in the indoor league that doesn't go on Gotsoccer team records. As far as having guest players, that's nothing really new, especially in the more informal indoor league setting.  

Yeah, I don't think too many 6-year olds are worried about Gotsoccer rankings.

Good time to learn that some adults suck?  At 6?  

It's people like you with attitudes like this that try to suck the joy out of 6 YEAR OLD soccer.

SOS, Thanks for sharing your moral authority here on this society-changing message board. I personally don't think teams should bring in the "ringers" just to win a championship, if that's indeed what happened here. Does the original poster actually have evidence this happened? He said he "overheard" that this happened. Yes, "overheard." That's not terribly convincing evidence.

Either way, if the girls "brought in" were six and under, then how is it completely unfair? They are the proper age level - so there's no cheating on that level. And, we know that many academy teams have fluid rosters, which provides more playing opportunities (development). If it happened to my DD's team, I might be frustrated about it, but I would also realize that the experience provided an opportunity for the DDs to have to play against some really good six-year-old DDs, which then provides them the chance to see how they can improve their game, improve their speed, skills, etc. The experience combined with motivation to improve will in turn help them push their own game to another level. It's never fun to lose, but dang, I'd much rather lose when I'm six, use that as a motivator to get better so that by the time I'm in my teens, I'm hopefully a top player. Think about it.

Yea, six-year olds really need to see better players so they can improve their speed, skills, etc.  

ProDallas wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

ProDallas wrote:I know that can be frustrating, but hopefully the girls learned something from the experience. Tougher competition accelerates development and that's a perfect time/place to gain the experience. At six years old in the indoor league that doesn't go on Gotsoccer team records. As far as having guest players, that's nothing really new, especially in the more informal indoor league setting.  

Yeah, I don't think too many 6-year olds are worried about Gotsoccer rankings.

Good time to learn that some adults suck?  At 6?  

It's people like you with attitudes like this that try to suck the joy out of 6 YEAR OLD soccer.

SOS, Thanks for sharing your moral authority here on this society-changing message board. I personally don't think teams should bring in the "ringers" just to win a championship, if that's indeed what happened here. Does the original poster actually have evidence this happened? He said he "overheard" that this happened. Yes, "overheard." That's not terribly convincing evidence.  

Either way, if the girls "brought in" were six and under, then how is it completely unfair? They are the proper age level - so there's no cheating on that level. And, we know that many academy teams have fluid rosters, which provides more playing opportunities (development). If it happened to my DD's team, I might be frustrated about it, but I would also realize that the experience provided an opportunity for the DDs to have to play against some really good six-year-old DDs, which then provides them the chance to see how they can improve their game, improve their speed, skills, etc. The experience combined with motivation to improve will in turn help them push their own game to another level. It's never fun to lose, but dang, I'd  much rather lose when I'm six, use that as a motivator to get better so that by the time I'm in my teens, I'm hopefully a top player. Think about it.  

So it's not completely unfair, just partially unfair?

Partially unfair - ok.  Completely unfair - maybe still ok since it encourages development.

And YOU don't know there was NOT cheating just because they are the same age.  The original poster alleges they were not rostered.  In the leagues my DD has played in that would constitute cheating (but I guess in your book, that would only be kinda cheating, since they were six after all).

yea, I have heard about all this "they should be thankful to play against better competition because it can only make them better" argument.  That the experience can be "motivating" for future development, can allow them to "see how they can improve their game".  Seriously?  They are freaking SIX YEARS OLD.

So - does your daughter's team enter tournaments and request to be moved up a year or 2 or to be placed into the highest division for every tournament?  They should because playing tougher competition accelerates development and only serves to motivate them to improve.  Has your daughter's team ever won a tournament?  If so, they were clearly not playing at the right level to be challenged by better players.

Moral authority?  Nope, just my opinion.  So just to be clear - if the original post is true and the coach brought in non-rostered players from another club (presuming he would have enough to start without the subs) in order that he could win a 6-year-old soccer game that doesn't even count towards rankings, then IMO, the coach is a piece of shyte.

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Zizou wrote:

Uncleof05AP wrote:SOS, you are missing the point.  It is six-year old soccer.   It is such a crucial time time in their soccer development.   I mean, winning first place at the PIT for indoor soccer in kindergarten will probably be the difference in whether they make the USWNT one day.  #adultsruinyouthsports #itisaboutthekids

My best advice is you should control that which you have control of. If you feel you have been cheated then make the change and move on. Your six year old probably had no clue what this other coach was doing. It seems the parent were the only ones that were effected here.

Apparently you didn't read the original post.  Let me recap -

"one team (I won't name any names here) added girls from another club to compete against the other team but were not on the approved roster sheet" -  That team then won.  The team who played in the league as a team and brought their team to play - lost.

See the impact now?  See how the team who followed the rules, did what was expected, and played their way to the finals, was affected by the team that brought in ringers?  

If you are too stupid to realize that the 6 year old girls who lost were impacted by the actions of the other coach . . .[/

Sorry, I pretty sure those 6 year olds had no clue what the other coach was doing. Yes , we as parents make more of it than the kids.

Let me lay it out more simply for you -

Just because they didn't know what the other coach was doing, doesn't mean they weren't affected by it

SOS, you're really worked up about this. You seem very emotionally connected to a situation you have absolutely no idea even happened in reality. However, you may recall I said I do not agree with bringing in ringers, if that's actually what happened. I also do think it's important to try to find a balance between positioning DDs in environments where they can have success, but also face challenges. I also acknowledged that I would be frustrated if this happened to my DD's team. But, I would also find the value in such an experience - getting to see where the DDs stack up against evidently world-class six-year-old talent (they must have been amazing to evoke this kind of outcry). I also wouldn't come onto this society-saving message board to cry about it.

If this was such a problem, the team should take it up with the league and ensure that there are rules in place to protect roster integrity in the future. If they don't like the league's response or solution to their complaint, they should find a league that will ensure their satisfaction. That way they won't have to come crying on this board because their six-year-old DDs lost an indoor game to a team of better six-year-olds (assuming they're as amazing as this outcry indicates). Meanwhile, the DDs will actually benefit from the experience, even though the parents are so sad.

SickofStupidity wrote:Let me lay it out more simply for you -

Just because they didn't know what the other coach was doing, doesn't mean they weren't affected by it

I heard that the kids were all severely affected by this all the way until they got to Yumilicious on the way home from the game. Then... no so much.

ProDallas wrote:SOS, you're really worked up about this. You seem very emotionally connected to a situation you have absolutely no idea even happened in reality. However, you may recall I said I do not agree with bringing in ringers, if that's actually what happened. I also do think it's important to try to find a balance between positioning DDs in environments where they can have success, but also face challenges. I also acknowledged that I would be frustrated if this happened to my DD's team. But, I would also find the value in such an experience - getting to see where the DDs stack up against evidently world-class six-year-old talent (they must have been amazing to evoke this kind of outcry). I also wouldn't come onto this society-saving message board to cry about it.

If this was such a problem, the team should take it up with the league and ensure that there are rules in place to protect roster integrity in the future. If they don't like the league's response or solution to their complaint, they should find a league that will ensure their satisfaction. That way they won't have to come crying on this board because their six-year-old DDs lost an indoor game to a team of better six-year-olds (assuming they're as amazing as this outcry indicates). Meanwhile, the DDs will actually benefit from the experience, even though the parents are so sad.  

Nah, just disgusted with POS coaches who would do this to 6 year old girls, and POS parents who excuse / enable it.

DeltaTauChi wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:Let me lay it out more simply for you -

Just because they didn't know what the other coach was doing, doesn't mean they weren't affected by it

I heard that the kids were all severely affected by this all the way until they got to Yumilicious on the way home from the game.  Then...  no so much.

If you took more than 3 seconds to read the topic, the response was related to shitzu's post that no one besides parents were effected

SickofStupidity wrote:

DeltaTauChi wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:Let me lay it out more simply for you -

Just because they didn't know what the other coach was doing, doesn't mean they weren't affected by it

I heard that the kids were all severely affected by this all the way until they got to Yumilicious on the way home from the game.  Then...  no so much.

If you took more than 3 seconds to read the topic, the response was related to shitzu's post that no one besides parents were effected

Lighten up Francis. You're on the verge of making all of us nauseous.

ForReal wrote:Yea, six-year olds really need to see better players so they can improve their speed, skills, etc.  

ForReal, so, is your point that coaches and parents should NOT try to facilitate player development? I know having fun should be the top priority, but isn't it also fun to continuously improve as an athlete? I never thought it was fun to get beat as a kid, even when I was six. It is a sport. Perhaps if player development isn't part of the equation, the kids you're referencing would be better served playing on a rec team or just play on the swing-set instead.

This sounds like some very sour grapes here...

The Pit - Frisco has always come off to me as a very rules oriented place.

Every time my child has played there, the front desk has a printed roster and every child checks in and gets their bracelet. Even this past season the refs would enforce it.

We tried to guest play there once (friends team would be short players) and was completely denied. They had the team forfeit and we played for fun but they still made us register her and pay for the "Insurance and liability" aspect. Which I understand.

If it bothers you that much call and speak with the manager there so you can get first hand clarification instead of assuming that an upsets parent account is the gospel.

That seems more reasonable than a first time post of aggrieved hearsay.

"Six year olds, Dude"...

(I know its Eight)

Also...

If this Coach in questions brings in so many other teams throughout the year why would he "borrow" girls from another club?

Sounds pretty dumb for a coach to willingly give a coach from another CLUB access to his parents and players.

See how this already doesn't add up?

Yep, it does seem like a case of winning vs. losing. The loser usually finds something others have done wrong , such as , illegal players , referees were bad, and now a new one facilities / league showing favoritism.

ProDallas wrote:

ForReal wrote:Yea, six-year olds really need to see better players so they can improve their speed, skills, etc.  

ForReal, so, is your point that coaches and parents should NOT try to facilitate player development? I know having fun should be the top priority, but isn't it also fun to continuously improve as an athlete? I never thought it was fun to get beat as a kid, even when I was six. It is a sport. Perhaps if player development isn't part of the equation, the kids you're referencing would be better served playing on a rec team or just play on the swing-set instead.

Look, so long as you think 6-year olds need to be playing for clubs and have to play better talent at age 6 in a championship indoor game to develop, there's no reasoning with you. Good luck to you and your daughter, Mr. Marinovich.

The ponzee scheme starts at diaper dandies doesn't it....sounds like a bunch of low class coaches which is typical in N TX.