Rival of FDL

http://challengesoccer.com/challenge-launches-new-regional-league-with-six-other-ecnl-clubs

RichAggie wrote:http://challengesoccer.com/challenge-launches-new-regional-league-with-six-other-ecnl-clubs

Thank God!  We needed another layer of money, I mean soccer! Is this because Composite is going away?

mixitup wrote:

RichAggie wrote:http://challengesoccer.com/challenge-launches-new-regional-league-with-six-other-ecnl-clubs

Thank God!  We needed another layer of money, I mean soccer!  Is this because Composite is going away?

That would be the thought.

It's like wearing a polo shirt versus Izod.

Medicine Man wrote:It's like wearing a polo shirt versus Izod.

Izod or Izod Lacoste?

RichAggie wrote:http://challengesoccer.com/challenge-launches-new-regional-league-with-six-other-ecnl-clubs

This is hilarious ????

Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

Sting and Challenge 2nd teams play in TCL now. Take a look at the standings. Challenge isn't doing great, neither is D'Feeters. Sting is hanging in, for the most part. Looks like Lonestar (also their 2nd teams since they are DA with no ECNL) are doing the best over most of the age groups.

Honestly, it’s exactly what TCL should’ve been when it was created. The key to value is if either FDL or this new “ECNL2”, can truly co-schedule and co-locate the matches with the Respective DA/ECNL matches, possibly allowing for some college coach bleedover. Otherwise, neither FDL or ECNL2 provide and better competition or better college exposure, than if all of the DFW club #2 teams had just stayed in LH and saved the parents a couple of grand in travel expense.

G21DD wrote:

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

Sting and Challenge 2nd teams play in TCL now.  Take a look at the standings.  Challenge isn't doing great, neither is D'Feeters.  Sting is hanging in, for the most part.  Looks like Lonestar (also their 2nd teams since they are DA with no ECNL) are doing the best over most of the age groups.  

That's only because of their player pool.

Did you see Lonestar made 44 U11G teams during tryouts this week.

Lets wait 7 years and see if that calculates to 5-6 11v11 teams.

Colin Kaepernick

Can I get an Amen!

Where can one see the TCL standings?

Nothing_but_net wrote:Where can one see the TCL standings?

https://www.texaschampionsleague.org/schedules

Click on the age group you want to look at, and then click on any team in the list and it will display the standings.

Thanks Delta TauChi...tried that but it wouldn’t load. ????

Thought maybe you saw it somewhere else.

Dunno what to tell ya. Works fine for me.

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

What do you mean no winner???
1. Clubs and leagues are making money.
2. Airlines make money on all the travel expenses
3. Hotel chains with deals in place with tournaments make money.
4. Cities hosting tournaments become the make shift vacations for soccer families and get tourism dollars.

Biggest losers are the girls???....nope.
It's the pocketbooks of the parents that are the biggest losers.
The girls are probably fine as long as they enjoy their team and coach and have fun on the pitch.

And none of this is news.

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

What standings are you looking at that shows FCD can produce even a good 2nd team?

Whats the big deal? We're paying for a service, if you don't like the product don't buy it.

KeeperCommander wrote:

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

What standings are you looking at that shows FCD can produce even a good 2nd team?

FCD #2 teams - 3 placed 8th in ECNL and 4 placed 9th.  Only Sting Austin's dismal performance kept FC Dallas from being the worst club in the Texas Conference.

SickofStupidity wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

What standings are you looking at that shows FCD can produce even a good 2nd team?

FCD #2 teams - 3 placed 8th in ECNL and 4 placed 9th.  Only Sting Austin's dismal performance kept FC Dallas from being the worst club in the Texas Conference.

Wouldn't it be rad if a touch of common sense were to be utilized when throwing out this old, tired drivel.  The results referenced here are from matches primarily between 1st teams (ECNL exclusive clubs) playing against 2nd teams (including those from FCD).  

How 'bout we discuss what the results would look like when the 2nd teams from Sting, D'Feeters, what have you, play the 1st teams from GDA clubs ... cuz that would be even radder

While I'd expect to see a bit of improvement in the ECNL standings for FCD next year based on additions already made, I still expect that they'll naturally struggle with the ECNL exclusive clubs (doesn't take a lawyer to figure this one out).

I'd guess that the new regional league created by TX ECNL clubs (and the FDL outside of the Solar and FCD due to their ECNL participation) should make for a more even keel level of comp overall --

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

What standings are you looking at that shows FCD can produce even a good 2nd team?

FCD #2 teams - 3 placed 8th in ECNL and 4 placed 9th.  Only Sting Austin's dismal performance kept FC Dallas from being the worst club in the Texas Conference.

Wouldn't it be rad if a touch of common sense were to be utilized when throwing out this old, tired drivel.  The results referenced here are from matches primarily between 1st teams (ECNL exclusive clubs) playing against 2nd teams (including those from FCD).  

How 'bout we discuss what the results would look like when the 2nd teams from Sting, D'Feeters, what have you, play the 1st teams from GDA clubs ... cuz that would be even radder

While I'd expect to see a bit of improvement in the ECNL standings for FCD next year based on additions already made, I still expect that they'll naturally struggle with the ECNL exclusive clubs (doesn't take a lawyer to figure this one out).

I'd guess that the new regional league created by TX ECNL clubs (and the FDL outside of the Solar and FCD due to their ECNL participation) should make for a more even keel level of comp overall --

I see your point and yes it is an old debate. On one side you have the debate that has brought pages and pages of banter and laughter on this forum. On the other side you have the poster that brought it up again. So there you go...
Again, yes FCD is going against some clubs that have their #1 teams and FCD has its #2. However a club the size of FCD should have been able to produce at least 1 halfway decent second team in all this. Even you can agree on this Big E. Especially since they were behind other clubs “second” teams as well.
Can’t comment on the actual number of teams and players but FCD should be up there.

You will continue to see new leagues offered in order to consolidate the market and grow the business model.

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

What standings are you looking at that shows FCD can produce even a good 2nd team?

FCD #2 teams - 3 placed 8th in ECNL and 4 placed 9th.  Only Sting Austin's dismal performance kept FC Dallas from being the worst club in the Texas Conference.

Wouldn't it be rad if a touch of common sense were to be utilized when throwing out this old, tired drivel.  The results referenced here are from matches primarily between 1st teams (ECNL exclusive clubs) playing against 2nd teams (including those from FCD).  

How 'bout we discuss what the results would look like when the 2nd teams from Sting, D'Feeters, what have you, play the 1st teams from GDA clubs ... cuz that would be even radder

While I'd expect to see a bit of improvement in the ECNL standings for FCD next year based on additions already made, I still expect that they'll naturally struggle with the ECNL exclusive clubs (doesn't take a lawyer to figure this one out).

I'd guess that the new regional league created by TX ECNL clubs (and the FDL outside of the Solar and FCD due to their ECNL participation) should make for a more even keel level of comp overall --

That's a beauty BigEgo - wouldn't expect anything less from the defender of all things FC Dallas.

But facing the facts, every FC Dallas team was in the bottom 3 in the ECNL standings.  No other club (aside from Sting Austin) has that honor . . . including the other 2 NTX clubs also sending their 2nd teams to ECNL.

In fact, FC Dallas teams placed behind all other clubs' "2nd teams" with a single exception.

Will you expect them to continue to struggle against the other clubs' 2nd teams as well?

KeeperCommander wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

timmyh wrote:Challenge and Sting Dallas can both produce a quality 2nd team. Can any of the other 5? Classics Elite and Sting Austin 2nd teams are awful, if they even exist. Albion is hit or miss depending on the age group. D'Feeters, too.  

Zero chance this league is better than Lake Highlands. But parents will sign up. At least with FDL the clubs (Lonestar, Dash, FCD, Solar, OKC, Texans) are massive with enough depth to produce quality 2nd teams (or 3rd teams for FCD or Solar).

What a cluster eff youth soccer in Texas has become with the pissing match between DA/FDL and ECNL/ECNL. There are no winners, and the biggest losers are the girls.

What standings are you looking at that shows FCD can produce even a good 2nd team?

FCD #2 teams - 3 placed 8th in ECNL and 4 placed 9th.  Only Sting Austin's dismal performance kept FC Dallas from being the worst club in the Texas Conference.

Wouldn't it be rad if a touch of common sense were to be utilized when throwing out this old, tired drivel.  The results referenced here are from matches primarily between 1st teams (ECNL exclusive clubs) playing against 2nd teams (including those from FCD).  

How 'bout we discuss what the results would look like when the 2nd teams from Sting, D'Feeters, what have you, play the 1st teams from GDA clubs ... cuz that would be even radder

While I'd expect to see a bit of improvement in the ECNL standings for FCD next year based on additions already made, I still expect that they'll naturally struggle with the ECNL exclusive clubs (doesn't take a lawyer to figure this one out).

I'd guess that the new regional league created by TX ECNL clubs (and the FDL outside of the Solar and FCD due to their ECNL participation) should make for a more even keel level of comp overall --

I see your point and yes it is an old debate. On one side you have the debate that has brought pages and pages of banter and laughter on this forum. On the other side you have the poster that brought it up again. So there you go...
Again, yes FCD is going against some clubs that have their #1 teams and FCD has its #2. However a club the size of FCD should have been able to produce at least 1 halfway decent second team in all this. Even you can agree on this Big E. Especially since they were behind other clubs “second” teams as well.
Can’t comment on the actual number of teams and players but FCD should be up there.

Sure KC -- Agreed that FCD has a ton of kids that shouldn't even be playing competitive soccer wearing their gear just because their parents don't know any better, but hey, good for FCD right?  This is just a byproduct of their marketing prowess, proximity to parents with a bunch of cash, and the competitive nature of the Frisco youth sports machine.

As I've mentioned before, FCD is primarily focused on building their top level.  I think it's safe to say that they have done that and will continue to do so on both the girl's and boy's side.  Over the past year, I've seen them using their 2nd tier (ECNL) primarily as an identification platform ... Going forward I'd expect that to continue there as well as with the new 3rd tier, FDL.

Granted, this isn't an easy concept to grasp as it goes a touch beyond common sense, but at Solar this year, they clearly took a bit more balanced approach when it came to rostering the ECNL and GDA sides respectively ... Placing more of their 7-8s on the ECNL rosters, while FCD placed them on their GDA rosters.  This resulted in Solar winning most of the ECNL matches and FCD coming out on top in most of the GDA matches.  Easy peasy right?  Same case with Texans for U15+ and we all know the deal with them last year at U13-U14.