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Post by Mansfieldmom 07/07/18, 02:02 pm

Hi All,
We are new to the world of “competitive” soccer. Our 7 year old is starting Academy this summer. I’ve been trying to read through some thing on this board but the ENCL, LH, DA, etc all confuses me. I’m assuming this is all related to older select teams, but I would appreciate if someone could break this down for me. ????

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Post by jogobonito06 07/07/18, 03:48 pm

FIFA - the World soccer governing body
USSF - the U.S. soccer governing body
USYS - one of 3 US youth soccer governing bodies
US Club - one of 3 US youth soccer governing bodies

GDA - Girls Development Academy - USSF league for girls U13-U19; exclusive to 80 odd clubs in the US

ECNL - Elite Clubs National League - US Club league for girls U13-U19; exclusive to certain clubs in the US. Lost count how many.

Both GDA and ECNL hold playoffs to determine National Champions and are generally considered the top level for girl's soccer.

Then both USYS and US Club offer a separate path to National Championships.

In USYS, it starts with the LHGCL (Lake Highlands Girls Classic League) for girls U11-U19. Pre-ECNL, this was the pinnacle of competition in NTX. The top teams in LHGCL can qualify for Regional League play. Up till recently, this was the SRPL (Southern Regional Premier League). Not sure what the new name is. The top teams from SRPL could qualify for the NL (National League) as well as the Regional Championships. State Cup champions also qualify. The idea is to play for a National Championship.

Not to be outdone, US Club set up their own path to a National Championship. Realizing that some clubs were shut out of ECNL, they devised a system of NPL (National Premier Leagues) for the excluded to play Regional competition. The most recent entries locally were TCL (Texas Champions League) and RRPL (Red River Premier League). These various champions then vie for a National Championship.

Outside of DA and ECNL, there is plenty of cross-over in the leagues. For example, a LHGCL team could also play TCL, SRPL or RRPL.

Now to the newer entries.
JDL (Junior Development League) is an exclusive league set up by the Big 5 in Dallas (FCD, Texans, Sting, Solar, D'feeters). They don't keep score and there are zero rules regarding rosters.

FDL - Frontier Development League - a new one this year set up by the 3 DA clubs (FCD, Texans, Solar) here and the 3 in OKC, Houston and Austin. The idea is its an unofficial sister to the DA teams in each club with a "clear pathway" to DA. Whatever that means.

And of course, not to be outdone, the ECNL-only clubs (Sting and D'Feeters locally) have banded together with their like-minded Regional brethren and are creating an ECNL2 league as we speak. No idea what the acronym is but I'd suggest 2MANY.

At 7, you need not worry about any of this. It will all change by the time your little is U11.

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Post by Mansfieldmom 07/07/18, 04:06 pm

Unmmm WOW!

Thanks for that. Good thing we have a few YEARS before any of this matters. Wink It’s going to take me most of that time to wrap my head around it all.

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Post by Foxysoccermom 07/07/18, 05:23 pm

The easiest way to break it all down is to compare it to organized crime.  You have multiple crime families and multiple rackets that all kick money up to the Godfather.


jogobonito06 wrote:FIFA - the World soccer governing body

-Fifa is like the head family, they get a kick back from all the families and rackets.  They don't care how the money comes in as long as it comes in.
--Recent convictions include bribery and extortion--

USSF - the U.S. soccer governing body

-We will call USSF the Gambino family, they are the top US family who get a kickback on all US rackets.
--Always under scrutiny for incompetence and money laundering, RICO will be what brings this organization down--

USYS - one of 3 US youth soccer governing bodies

-USYS is a smaller crime family that runs multiple regional rackets.  We will call them the Genovese family.

US Club - one of 3 US youth soccer governing bodies

-US Club is another family running their own rackets.  We will call them the Bonnano family.

GDA - Girls Development Academy - USSF league for girls U13-U19; exclusive to 80 odd clubs in the US

-GDA is like the new Crack cocaine that the Gambinos are pushing because they weren't getting a big enough kick back from the Genovese's crack sales (ECNL).

ECNL - Elite Clubs National League - US Club league for girls U13-U19; exclusive to certain clubs in the US. Lost count how many.

-ECNL is The Genovese's Crack trade ie money maker.

Both GDA and ECNL hold playoffs to determine National Champions and are generally considered the top level for girl's soccer.  

-Top grade Crack in these two leagues...people pay a fortune to get the special high they both offer.

Then both USYS and US Club offer a separate path to National Championships.

-These are more like the less profitable rackets run by the families...think gambling, extortion etc...not as lucrative as high dollar crack but still good earners.

In USYS, it starts with the LHGCL (Lake Highlands Girls Classic League) for girls U11-U19.  Pre-ECNL, this was the pinnacle of competition in NTX.  The top teams in LHGCL can qualify for Regional League play.  Up till recently, this was the SRPL (Southern Regional Premier League).  Not sure what the new name is.  The top teams from SRPL could qualify for the NL (National League) as well as the Regional Championships.  State Cup champions also qualify. The idea is to play for a National Championship.

Not to be outdone, US Club set up their own path to a National Championship.  Realizing that some clubs were shut out of ECNL, they devised a system of NPL (National Premier Leagues) for the excluded to play Regional competition.  The most recent entries locally were TCL (Texas Champions League) and RRPL (Red River Premier League).  These various champions then vie for a National Championship.

Outside of DA and ECNL, there is plenty of cross-over in the leagues.  For example, a LHGCL team could also play TCL, SRPL or RRPL.

-All of these leagues are lower level crimes that are again more like gambling revenue.

Now to the newer entries.
JDL (Junior Development League) is an exclusive league set up by the Big 5 in Dallas (FCD, Texans, Sting, Solar, D'feeters).  They don't keep score and there are zero rules regarding rosters.

-The newer rackets or leagues are run by the local capos also known as soccer clubs.
--Local clubs are known for money laundering and extortion. So far their soldiers (coaches) have taken the fall for drugs, money laundering etc. If RICO is applied here the rats will flee the ship.--

FDL - Frontier Development League - a new one this year set up by the 3 DA clubs (FCD, Texans, Solar) here and the 3 in OKC, Houston and Austin.  The idea is its an unofficial sister to the DA teams in each club with a "clear pathway" to DA.  Whatever that means.


-Imagine this league is run by the Genoveses and draws in the crack seeking people that can't quite afford the really good stuff but the family take is fantastic. 

And of course, not to be outdone, the ECNL-only clubs (Sting and D'Feeters locally) have banded together with their like-minded Regional brethren and are creating an ECNL2 league as we speak.  No idea what the acronym is but I'd suggest 2MANY.  

-This is the same as FDL above only run by the Bonnano Family.

At 7, you need not worry about any of this.  It will all change by the time your little is U11.

-This is correct but just know, that your little league soccer association dues get kicked up to the families and the Godfather.  The goal is to get you hooked on the crack so the kickback grows.
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Post by Mansfieldmom 07/07/18, 06:10 pm

Sadly and amazingly it’s all perfectly clear now!

So if you don’t make a GDA or ECNL team them you just play for one of the local clubs correct? And is it safe to assume that GDA and ECNL do a lot of traveling to play other teams in the region? And how does regular high school soccer work into all of this?

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Post by Foxysoccermom 07/07/18, 06:44 pm

Mansfieldmom wrote:Sadly and amazingly it’s all perfectly clear now!

So if you don’t make a GDA or ECNL team them you just play for one of the local clubs correct? And is it safe to assume that GDA and ECNL do a lot of traveling to play other teams in the region? And how does regular high school soccer work into all of this?

I find the best way to explain all the options now is to explain where we came from.  Not long ago there were three main leagues in DFW.

ECNL- 5 traveling teams in DFW that drew the top players at U14 I believe.

Lake Highlands-Which had 3 divisions 1,2 and 3 with 10 teams in each.  You had to qualify and could be relegated based on performance.  It was considered one of best leagues in the country.

PPL/APL-These were leagues where teams would play if they didn't make Lake Highlands, with the hopes of qualifying the next year for LH>

The problem with this system is it was pretty easy to see what level a team played at and where your dd might fit.  This wreaked havoc on the large clubs income stream, because people could track their performance.  What they learned is if they could control the league and relegation, they could confuse the paying customer and if they could limit the competition they could hopefully charge more.

So this is why you now have complete dilution of talent over multiple leagues that aren't very cost efficient.  So this history lesson should prepare you for the soccer minefield of today.

Tomorrow we will discuss how CPP and club byes help destroy Lake Highlands.  But for now back to your questions.

The only reason for your dd to play GDA or ECNL is if she absolutly loves soccer and wants to play in college.  The yearly cost probably averages about $10k these days.  If she plays 6 years and gets an avg scholarship, you should be able to recoup $5k-$10k of the $60k you spent on soccer.  If she wants to play locally at a decent level you will probably spend $4k-$6k per year.  As of now DA players are not allowed to play in HS and most other leagues frown upon it.  The main reason for this, is the soccer family does not receive a kickback from HS.  

If you use the rap song...I got my mind on my money and my money on my mind...and apply it to any soccer question you will usually find the answer.
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Post by MurderWasTheCase 07/07/18, 07:46 pm

SPP = Sucker Paying Parent

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Post by Checkpoint Charlie 07/07/18, 08:15 pm

SRSA=Superstars Replacing Standard Athletes
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Post by BENDMEOVER 07/07/18, 09:13 pm

CDCF= chili dogs and cheese fries
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Post by MurderWasTheCase 07/07/18, 09:20 pm

WDWPFS = Why Do We Pay For Soccer

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Post by Checkpoint Charlie 07/07/18, 11:08 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:The easiest way to break it all down is to compare it to organized crime.  You have multiple crime families and multiple rackets that all kick money up to the Godfather.


jogobonito06 wrote:FIFA - the World soccer governing body

-Fifa is like the head family, they get a kick back from all the families and rackets.  They don't care how the money comes in as long as it comes in.
--Recent convictions include bribery and extortion--

USSF - the U.S. soccer governing body

-We will call USSF the Gambino family, they are the top US family who get a kickback on all US rackets.
--Always under scrutiny for incompetence and money laundering, RICO will be what brings this organization down--

USYS - one of 3 US youth soccer governing bodies

-USYS is a smaller crime family that runs multiple regional rackets.  We will call them the Genovese family.

US Club - one of 3 US youth soccer governing bodies

-US Club is another family running their own rackets.  We will call them the Bonnano family.

GDA - Girls Development Academy - USSF league for girls U13-U19; exclusive to 80 odd clubs in the US

-GDA is like the new Crack cocaine that the Gambinos are pushing because they weren't getting a big enough kick back from the Genovese's crack sales (ECNL).

ECNL - Elite Clubs National League - US Club league for girls U13-U19; exclusive to certain clubs in the US. Lost count how many.

-ECNL is The Genovese's Crack trade ie money maker.

Both GDA and ECNL hold playoffs to determine National Champions and are generally considered the top level for girl's soccer.  

-Top grade Crack in these two leagues...people pay a fortune to get the special high they both offer.

Then both USYS and US Club offer a separate path to National Championships.

-These are more like the less profitable rackets run by the families...think gambling, extortion etc...not as lucrative as high dollar crack but still good earners.

In USYS, it starts with the LHGCL (Lake Highlands Girls Classic League) for girls U11-U19.  Pre-ECNL, this was the pinnacle of competition in NTX.  The top teams in LHGCL can qualify for Regional League play.  Up till recently, this was the SRPL (Southern Regional Premier League).  Not sure what the new name is.  The top teams from SRPL could qualify for the NL (National League) as well as the Regional Championships.  State Cup champions also qualify. The idea is to play for a National Championship.

Not to be outdone, US Club set up their own path to a National Championship.  Realizing that some clubs were shut out of ECNL, they devised a system of NPL (National Premier Leagues) for the excluded to play Regional competition.  The most recent entries locally were TCL (Texas Champions League) and RRPL (Red River Premier League).  These various champions then vie for a National Championship.

Outside of DA and ECNL, there is plenty of cross-over in the leagues.  For example, a LHGCL team could also play TCL, SRPL or RRPL.

-All of these leagues are lower level crimes that are again more like gambling revenue.

Now to the newer entries.
JDL (Junior Development League) is an exclusive league set up by the Big 5 in Dallas (FCD, Texans, Sting, Solar, D'feeters).  They don't keep score and there are zero rules regarding rosters.

-The newer rackets or leagues are run by the local capos also known as soccer clubs.
--Local clubs are known for money laundering and extortion.  So far their soldiers (coaches) have taken the fall for drugs, money laundering etc.  If RICO is applied here the rats will flee the ship.--

FDL - Frontier Development League - a new one this year set up by the 3 DA clubs (FCD, Texans, Solar) here and the 3 in OKC, Houston and Austin.  The idea is its an unofficial sister to the DA teams in each club with a "clear pathway" to DA.  Whatever that means.


-Imagine this league is run by the Genoveses and draws in the crack seeking people that can't quite afford the really good stuff but the family take is fantastic. 

And of course, not to be outdone, the ECNL-only clubs (Sting and D'Feeters locally) have banded together with their like-minded Regional brethren and are creating an ECNL2 league as we speak.  No idea what the acronym is but I'd suggest 2MANY.  

-This is the same as FDL above only run by the Bonnano Family.

At 7, you need not worry about any of this.  It will all change by the time your little is U11.

-This is correct but just know, that your little league soccer association dues get kicked up to the families and the Godfather.  The goal is to get you hooked on the crack so the kickback grows.
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Post by BENDMEOVER 08/07/18, 07:51 am

 by Foxysoccermom Yesterday at 06:44 pm

The only reason for your dd to play GDA or ECNL is if she absolutly loves soccer and wants to play in college.

Foxy I highlighted this statement are you saying kids that play elsewhere don't love the game and want to play at the next level? Your canned statement sounds familiar what club do you work for and teams you coach. Basically 99 percent of the NTX soccer is just playing for entertainment. Good stuff. 10K is low end of the costs for the travel teams.

You might want to rethink this thought. The system that was built is the minority.
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Post by Big Ern 08/07/18, 11:59 am

SoccerSuckers wrote: by Foxysoccermom Yesterday at 06:44 pm

The only reason for your dd to play GDA or ECNL is if she absolutly loves soccer and wants to play in college.

Foxy I highlighted this statement are you saying kids that play elsewhere don't love the game and want to play at the next level? Your canned statement sounds familiar what club do you work for and teams you coach. Basically 99 percent of the NTX soccer is just playing for entertainment. Good stuff. 10K is low end of the costs for the travel teams.

You might want to rethink this thought. The system that was built is the minority.

Speaking of Good stuff --

foxy is a coach ...

is ... are ...

220 ... 221 ... whatever it takes.

Assuming you and your kid are part of the 99% "just playing for entertainment".  Begs the questions suckers ...

Why pay clubs dues for professional coaching?  Why not play recreationally at your local association?  Why are you posting on this forum?

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Post by SickofStupidity 08/07/18, 12:51 pm

SoccerSuckers wrote: by Foxysoccermom Yesterday at 06:44 pm

The only reason for your dd to play GDA or ECNL is if she absolutly loves soccer and wants to play in college.

Foxy I highlighted this statement are you saying kids that play elsewhere don't love the game and want to play at the next level? Your canned statement sounds familiar what club do you work for and teams you coach. Basically 99 percent of the NTX soccer is just playing for entertainment. Good stuff. 10K is low end of the costs for the travel teams.

You might want to rethink this thought. The system that was built is the minority.


You clowns are hilarious.

Your grasp of the English language is even better.

The statement is pretty self-explanatory "The only reason for your dd to play GDA or ECNL is if she absolutly loves soccer and wants to play in college."

NOWHERE does Foxy state that the other 99% are "just playing for entertainment" (and there is no way to draw that from her comments".  

Plenty of the "99 percent" (as you call them) want to play at a higher level.

As for "professional" coaching  . . . if you mean professional as in "paid", then you have it spot on.  Too bad so many of them don't actually act professional.

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Post by MurderWasTheCase 08/07/18, 12:59 pm

Professional coaching where? Compared to what, a volunteer parent? Enlighten us please.

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Post by Foxysoccermom 08/07/18, 01:33 pm

Big Ern wrote:
SoccerSuckers wrote: by Foxysoccermom Yesterday at 06:44 pm

The only reason for your dd to play GDA or ECNL is if she absolutly loves soccer and wants to play in college.

Foxy I highlighted this statement are you saying kids that play elsewhere don't love the game and want to play at the next level? Your canned statement sounds familiar what club do you work for and teams you coach. Basically 99 percent of the NTX soccer is just playing for entertainment. Good stuff. 10K is low end of the costs for the travel teams.

You might want to rethink this thought. The system that was built is the minority.

Speaking of Good stuff --

foxy is a coach ...

is ... are ...

220 ... 221 ... whatever it takes.

Assuming you and your kid are part of the 99% "just playing for entertainment".  Begs the questions suckers ...

Why pay clubs dues for professional coaching?  Why not play recreationally at your local association?  Why are you posting on this forum?


If you mean getting paid for services given, then yes, Foxy is a professional.  I don't need a certification do I?  You can also put it on the Underhill bill if you like.
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Post by Mansfieldmom 17/08/18, 08:55 am

So I just got an email about ODP tryouts. You have to pay to tryout? Wow! Didn’t know that! $150 wow!

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Post by Lefty 17/08/18, 09:37 am

Foxysoccermom wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
SoccerSuckers wrote: by Foxysoccermom Yesterday at 06:44 pm

The only reason for your dd to play GDA or ECNL is if she absolutly loves soccer and wants to play in college.

Foxy I highlighted this statement are you saying kids that play elsewhere don't love the game and want to play at the next level? Your canned statement sounds familiar what club do you work for and teams you coach. Basically 99 percent of the NTX soccer is just playing for entertainment. Good stuff. 10K is low end of the costs for the travel teams.

You might want to rethink this thought. The system that was built is the minority.

Speaking of Good stuff --

foxy is a coach ...

is ... are ...

220 ... 221 ... whatever it takes.

Assuming you and your kid are part of the 99% "just playing for entertainment".  Begs the questions suckers ...

Why pay clubs dues for professional coaching?  Why not play recreationally at your local association?  Why are you posting on this forum?


If you mean getting paid for services given, then yes, Foxy is a professional.  I don't need a certification do I?  You can also put it on the Underhill bill if you like.


Sounds like youth soccer coaches and Foxy both qualify as 'Professionals'

Participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs

In the world of youth soccer the only thing you can be sure of related to a coach being a 'professional' is that it means the coach gets paid.  

Nothing more nothing less.

. They have various level certifications and licenses, they all still get paid.  
. Some with licenses and certifications are great coaches and some are not, they still get paid.
. Some are great people and some are not, they still get paid.
. Some care about the kids and their development and some don't, they still get paid.
. Some do it because they love the game and want to be around it, some just need the $, they still get paid.
. Some do it as a sidelight to supplement their income and some do it for a living,  they still get paid.
. Some do it because they love the game and kids and some do it as a power trip, they still get paid.

I'm sure I missed a few.


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Post by NTXSoccaDad 17/08/18, 09:43 am

Mansfieldmom wrote:So I just got an email about ODP tryouts. You have to pay to tryout? Wow! Didn’t know that! $150 wow!

7 years olds can't try out just yet. :-(

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Post by Mansfieldmom 17/08/18, 09:52 am

Oh I know that. Just learning about the soccer world in general. We’re very happy with where she is now. LOL

Not sure how/why I got the email.

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