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Post by ElClassico on 22/03/17, 12:58 pm

After reading a few threads discussing DA vs. ECNL and what to do with the "watering down of LH" I came up with this....eliminate Lake Highlands and go back to basically what was youth soccer originally.

At the top...DA / ECNL nothing changes with these.

1. Create a new league system that is based on where the girls live, so now they have a better chance of playing with girls they go to school with. So in theory return power back to the PPL's and APL's of the world or a better version of them.

2. Create a maximum limit on fees that's more in proportion to the level of competition and instruction received. However, tier the coach's pay based on the license level the achieve. (x for a D license, x + 10% for a C, etc) This would push them to continue their development.

3. Require coaches to have a minimum of a D license, if they can't do this the can't coach. A D license isn't that hard and the leagues could offer everything needed.

4. No CPP, Dual Rostering or any of that crap. You're either an ECNL player or not. If a situation arises that a team has an injury or something then they must pull from a team below them. This would Dribble clubs to ensure that the quality of coaching is the same from top to bottom and hopefully the girls are being taught the same systems.

5. Each city / town would have as many 10 team divisions as needed with pro / rel for the bottom 2 / top two of each division. So now FC Independent will have more opportunity to compete. Big clubs will be happy because they can create 2 or 3 teams in each city. But because there may be 10 leagues they won't be able to dominate a single league. Maybe even have a cap on the number of teams a club can have in each league, this would encourage them to spread the teams out instead of having 9 FCD teams in Frisco.

6. The top 2 or 3 teams from each town could play in a "Champions League" similar to UEFA. They'd have there league games and then participate in a regional wide CL type tournament.

7. This system should also help strengthen HS soccer in the area because the girls have played together for years and the HS coaches can "scout" easier.

8. Very large cities (Dallas) could split into N,S,E,W.

9. System would provide better access to quality coaching for all kids. Now a kid from South Dallas wouldn't have to travel 30 minutes to play for FCD or Solar.

10. Somehow, somewhere in some division there is a spot for every kid to play and receive quality coaching. Who cares if its Division 4 in Mesquite. They're playing and have the same path as everyone else. The sport should be inclusive not exclusive. Your income should not be the determining factor on your kids development in the sport. Stop with the scholarship nonsense, which parent is approaching the team manager in her Mercedes to tell them they can't pay. Scholarships should be league based.

11. Teams need to have a minimum number of practices in the town the team plays in. Easier for the parents, less time consuming for the kids. Encourage the clubs and towns to develop quality fields.

12. Create a "transfer" system that allows a player to move during winter break.

13. Limit the number of add / drops in the summer to discourage recruiting from club to club. Dribble clubs to promote girls from within.

14. Require girls that want to leave a team to send the league a form. In general girls want to stay together unless there's an issue with the coach. If the league sees an abnormal amount of players wanting to leave they would request a performance review with the club and coach. If it's found that the coach is not performing, a total jerk, etc. they would be removed from the league.

The idea of 12-14 is to eliminate coaches from blowing teams up because they get promoted. Let the girls play and develop.

Yes I was a bit bored sitting at home today.

Yes this is pure fiction and will never happen
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Post by KeeperCommander on 22/03/17, 04:08 pm

ElClassico wrote:After reading a few threads discussing DA vs. ECNL and what to do with the "watering down of LH" I came up with this....eliminate Lake Highlands and go back to basically what was youth soccer originally.

At the top...DA / ECNL nothing changes with these.

1. Create a new league system that is based on where the girls live, so now they have a better chance of playing with girls they go to school with. So in theory return power back to the PPL's and APL's of the world or a better version of them.

2. Create a maximum limit on fees that's more in proportion to the level of competition and instruction received. However, tier the coach's pay based on the license level the achieve. (x for a D license, x + 10% for a C, etc) This would push them to continue their development.

3. Require coaches to have a minimum of a D license, if they can't do this the can't coach. A D license isn't that hard and the leagues could offer everything needed.

4. No CPP, Dual Rostering or any of that crap. You're either an ECNL player or not. If a situation arises that a team has an injury or something then they must pull from a team below them. This would Dribble clubs to ensure that the quality of coaching is the same from top to bottom and hopefully the girls are being taught the same systems.

5. Each city / town would have as many 10 team divisions as needed with pro / rel for the bottom 2 / top two of each division. So now FC Independent will have more opportunity to compete. Big clubs will be happy because they can create 2 or 3 teams in each city. But because there may be 10 leagues they won't be able to dominate a single league. Maybe even have a cap on the number of teams a club can have in each league, this would encourage them to spread the teams out instead of having 9 FCD teams in Frisco.

6. The top 2 or 3 teams from each town could play in a "Champions League" similar to UEFA. They'd have there league games and then participate in a regional wide CL type tournament.

7. This system should also help strengthen HS soccer in the area because the girls have played together for years and the HS coaches can "scout" easier.

8. Very large cities (Dallas) could split into N,S,E,W.

9. System would provide better access to quality coaching for all kids. Now a kid from South Dallas wouldn't have to travel 30 minutes to play for FCD or Solar.

10. Somehow, somewhere in some division there is a spot for every kid to play and receive quality coaching. Who cares if its Division 4 in Mesquite. They're playing and have the same path as everyone else. The sport should be inclusive not exclusive. Your income should not be the determining factor on your kids development in the sport. Stop with the scholarship nonsense, which parent is approaching the team manager in her Mercedes to tell them they can't pay. Scholarships should be league based.

11. Teams need to have a minimum number of practices in the town the team plays in. Easier for the parents, less time consuming for the kids. Encourage the clubs and towns to develop quality fields.

12. Create a "transfer" system that allows a player to move during winter break.

13. Limit the number of add / drops in the summer to discourage recruiting from club to club. Dribble clubs to promote girls from within.

14. Require girls that want to leave a team to send the league a form. In general girls want to stay together unless there's an issue with the coach. If the league sees an abnormal amount of players wanting to leave they would request a performance review with the club and coach. If it's found that the coach is not performing, a total jerk, etc. they would be removed from the league.

The idea of 12-14 is to eliminate coaches from blowing teams up because they get promoted. Let the girls play and develop.

Yes I was a bit bored sitting at home today.

Yes this is pure fiction and will never happen
You lost me after #1

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Re: DA, ECNL, LH Solution

Post by CrazySoccerParent on 22/03/17, 06:10 pm

Wait a minute. Do you work for North Texas Soccer?
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Re: DA, ECNL, LH Solution

Post by KeeperCommander on 22/03/17, 06:22 pm

Back to Rec, drawing up league boundaries. We can't draw school boundaries right or much less voting districts correctly after how many years. Yeah drawing boundaries is the perfect answer.

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Re: DA, ECNL, LH Solution

Post by Lefty on 22/03/17, 09:26 pm

Great ideas but you forgot to address that youth soccer is a business to the clubs and coaches.

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Re: DA, ECNL, LH Solution

Post by turftoe9 on 22/03/17, 09:39 pm

Who drives less than 30 minutes for practice?
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Re: DA, ECNL, LH Solution

Post by KeeperCommander on 22/03/17, 09:47 pm

The coach

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Post by db10 on 22/03/17, 09:52 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:Back to Rec, drawing up league boundaries.  We can't draw school boundaries right or much less voting districts correctly after how many years.  Yeah drawing boundaries is the perfect answer.

As an adult you don't know where your town or city boundaries are? Rolling Eyes

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Post by KeeperCommander on 22/03/17, 10:47 pm

Hmmm. That would make one assume I am an adult.

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Post by RacerMartin99 on 23/03/17, 09:38 am

Great idea! Like many great ideas that both make sense and put the interest of those that matter most (the kids) first, this idea has no chance of ever succeeding.....which is unfortunate.

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Post by Guest on 23/03/17, 10:51 am

What you have described is Obamasoccer

That might work in California or Washington or New York, but you are in Texas, and the majority here want Trumpsoccer

Good luck with that...

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Post by db10 on 23/03/17, 11:50 am

I think we should simply create more leagues. Maybe one for teams that can beat ECNL teams but aren't invited to the party, one for teams that call themselves D1 but mysteriously have rosters filled with ECNL players. And another one for clubs who like bringing 19 to a LH game, this way the don't have to worry about CPP and that roster limit stuff. Nah just bring the whole club out and let them all play.

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 23/03/17, 12:04 pm

bwgophers wrote:What you have described is Obamasoccer

That might work in California or Washington or New York, but you are in Texas, and the majority here want Trumpsoccer

Good luck with that...

Lol. We Texans want to be lied to and fleeced by a crook.
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Post by Foxysoccermom on 23/03/17, 12:13 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
ElClassico wrote:After reading a few threads discussing DA vs. ECNL and what to do with the "watering down of LH" I came up with this....eliminate Lake Highlands and go back to basically what was youth soccer originally.

At the top...DA / ECNL nothing changes with these.

1. Create a new league system that is based on where the girls live, so now they have a better chance of playing with girls they go to school with. So in theory return power back to the PPL's and APL's of the world or a better version of them.

2. Create a maximum limit on fees that's more in proportion to the level of competition and instruction received. However, tier the coach's pay based on the license level the achieve. (x for a D license, x + 10% for a C, etc) This would push them to continue their development.

3. Require coaches to have a minimum of a D license, if they can't do this the can't coach. A D license isn't that hard and the leagues could offer everything needed.

4. No CPP, Dual Rostering or any of that crap. You're either an ECNL player or not. If a situation arises that a team has an injury or something then they must pull from a team below them. This would Dribble clubs to ensure that the quality of coaching is the same from top to bottom and hopefully the girls are being taught the same systems.

5. Each city / town would have as many 10 team divisions as needed with pro / rel for the bottom 2 / top two of each division. So now FC Independent will have more opportunity to compete. Big clubs will be happy because they can create 2 or 3 teams in each city. But because there may be 10 leagues they won't be able to dominate a single league. Maybe even have a cap on the number of teams a club can have in each league, this would encourage them to spread the teams out instead of having 9 FCD teams in Frisco.

6. The top 2 or 3 teams from each town could play in a "Champions League" similar to UEFA. They'd have there league games and then participate in a regional wide CL type tournament.

7. This system should also help strengthen HS soccer in the area because the girls have played together for years and the HS coaches can "scout" easier.

8. Very large cities (Dallas) could split into N,S,E,W.

9. System would provide better access to quality coaching for all kids. Now a kid from South Dallas wouldn't have to travel 30 minutes to play for FCD or Solar.

10. Somehow, somewhere in some division there is a spot for every kid to play and receive quality coaching. Who cares if its Division 4 in Mesquite. They're playing and have the same path as everyone else. The sport should be inclusive not exclusive. Your income should not be the determining factor on your kids development in the sport. Stop with the scholarship nonsense, which parent is approaching the team manager in her Mercedes to tell them they can't pay. Scholarships should be league based.

11. Teams need to have a minimum number of practices in the town the team plays in. Easier for the parents, less time consuming for the kids. Encourage the clubs and towns to develop quality fields.

12. Create a "transfer" system that allows a player to move during winter break.

13. Limit the number of add / drops in the summer to discourage recruiting from club to club. Dribble clubs to promote girls from within.

14. Require girls that want to leave a team to send the league a form. In general girls want to stay together unless there's an issue with the coach. If the league sees an abnormal amount of players wanting to leave they would request a performance review with the club and coach. If it's found that the coach is not performing, a total jerk, etc. they would be removed from the league.

The idea of 12-14 is to eliminate coaches from blowing teams up because they get promoted. Let the girls play and develop.

Yes I was a bit bored sitting at home today.

Yes this is pure fiction and will never happen
You lost me after #1


I think #1 was written after a six pack. From there I think he moved on to malt liquor and it gets a little fuzzy.
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Post by Poacher on 23/03/17, 12:39 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:
bwgophers wrote:What you have described is Obamasoccer

That might work in California or Washington or New York, but you are in Texas, and the majority here want Trumpsoccer

Good luck with that...

Lol. We Texans want to be lied to and fleeced by a crook.

Speaks volumes!
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Post by Lefty on 23/03/17, 03:26 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:
bwgophers wrote:What you have described is Obamasoccer

That might work in California or Washington or New York, but you are in Texas, and the majority here want Trumpsoccer

Good luck with that...

Lol. We Texans want to be lied to and fleeced by a crook.

Your inner Hillary has been showing through in your last few posts.

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 23/03/17, 04:25 pm

Lefty wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote:
bwgophers wrote:What you have described is Obamasoccer

That might work in California or Washington or New York, but you are in Texas, and the majority here want Trumpsoccer

Good luck with that...

Lol. We Texans want to be lied to and fleeced by a crook.

Your inner Hillary has been showing through in your last few posts.


Nah. I hate her too. Just like my presidents to be sane.
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Not even close to 30 - Try 10 Minutes

Post by SoccerDad75070 on 27/03/17, 12:30 pm

turftoe9 wrote: Who drives less than 30 minutes for practice?

With effort and time, found our club 10 minutes away.

Imagine that.

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Post by Guest on 27/03/17, 12:34 pm

SoccerDad75070 wrote:
turftoe9 wrote: Who drives less than 30 minutes for practice?

With effort and time, found our club 10 minutes away.

Imagine that.

We did too back in the day.

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Post by weatherbug on 28/03/17, 12:11 pm

bwgophers wrote:What you have described is Obamasoccer

That might work in California or Washington or New York, but you are in Texas, and the majority here want Trumpsoccer

Good luck with that...

LOL! We moved to Washington two years ago and we have pieces of the suggestions above! Laughing
Rec leagues are small and kids just play with and against other local kids.
If you want to commit a little more effort and time to soccer you move up to "Select" soccer. It's a little extra practice and you play other regional select teams. It costs less than what NTX thinks of as select soccer but you still have a professional trainer to run practices. I would compare it to PPL.
If you are really IN to soccer you try out for a Premier team. These are organized geographically. Rec and select teams close to the Premier club feed up into the Premier teams. This compares to LH and Classic league. They have true tryouts yearly to form teams from the pool of players who show up.
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Post by Guest on 28/03/17, 12:34 pm

weatherbug wrote:
bwgophers wrote:What you have described is Obamasoccer

That might work in California or Washington or New York, but you are in Texas, and the majority here want Trumpsoccer

Good luck with that...

LOL! We moved to Washington two years ago and we have pieces of the suggestions above! Laughing
Rec leagues are small and kids just play with and against other local kids.
If you want to commit a little more effort and time to soccer you move up to "Select" soccer. It's a little extra practice and you play other regional select teams. It costs less than what NTX thinks of as select soccer but you still have a professional trainer to run practices. I would compare it to PPL.
If you are really IN to soccer you try out for a Premier team. These are organized geographically. Rec and select teams close to the Premier club feed up into the Premier teams. This compares to LH and Classic league. They have true tryouts yearly to form teams from the pool of players who show up.

Good to hear from you WB! Hope all is well in the Great NW!

You must not have nearly enough drama in your WA soccer if you have the time and/or need to come back on here and check up on us! Twisted Evil

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 30/03/17, 06:07 am

I'm starting to feel a good buzzzzzzz from all the commentaries.....it's all the sames kids I see on the different teams this year in the league...get rid of player pass and guest play that will solve alot of problems and help strengthen the soccer in N TX. No wonder development is lacking w the big clubs and not enough talent to fill their bank accounts.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 30/03/17, 06:28 am

Maybe next year we will see what's real and what's not and their ECNL teams will be watered down because DA will be the master.

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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 06:30 am

Oh you think it just the big clubs using their talented players to support their lower teams. Yep, it's time to pull your head out of the sand. Plus NTX players and teams compete at a high level nationally. Once we finish consolidating our talented players it will only improve.

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Post by Zizou on 30/03/17, 06:32 am

No, what you will see is their any reason to pay to play At the rec level in LHGCL.

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