'03 Advanced Power Rankings (12/14/2012) End of Fall Season

The following poll is based on scoring data from TGPL,PTCL, SDL, EAL, DIAL, UAL, PAL, PSA from 8/1/12 to date.
Head-to-head matchups, strength of schedule, success vs. common opponent(s), and goal differential values were all considered. Because recent games are weighted more heavily than older ones, a team's ranking could move significantly in just one or two weeks (as you see in this week's Top10). As an additional measure, teams within a certain range are graded against each other by applying a simple mathematical formula. This program is not FBR. It was designed to compliment FBR and the Human Rankings and to provide for a 'BCS' like ranking system.

Before I get lambasted for the jump of Sting AG to #4...please understand that this system gives great value to a team's most recent game(s). APR recognizes a win in PKs as a WIN.....and in this case a win over a #5 team. I wasn't there to see who outplayed who...and if I was...there's not a measurement for that. So,simply put, it was a win.

FBRs looks at the Fall season as a 'body of work'....my system is more geared to 'what have you done lately'. This will be the final APR until 2/8/12. I expect to release a preseason Spring APR on that date.

Good stuff as always scoop

IMO: We(LP Dalglish)/Fever/DTFTW are ranked to low. First two should be in the top 5. DTFTW should be abouve GSSC and Barakat. These opinions are based on rather recent results..

Rankings, Rankings, Rankings!!!!!!

Computerized YES- but not sure how you compare a 9v9 or smaller league versus a 11v11 larger field league? You can't......... the smaller field teams and leagues are fine but cant compare these teams to the larger fields or 11v11. The teams that can't run or sprint will get beat and maybe by 4 or more goals.

Example some teams ( 9v9) might be ranked higher in the rankings and then they play some 11v11 games on a larger field and start now losing games 8-0,6-0,7-0, 6-0,6-0, and Now why would these teams still be ranked higher than say other teams losing maybe 3-0 or 4-0 to similar ranked teams....????? really depends on how you are personally ranking. top 10-maybe 20 if you want to rank and those teams have been playing 11v11 for a while. The rest of the teams really no use in ranking them...they are pretty much the same on any given day.... they are young and learning. some games maybe they tie 0-0 and they get a higher rank but they were in the defending the whole game.

Not really sure why you all do rankings past 20 really???? and it should all be the 11v11 game by now to do rankings,the 9v9 games or teams should not be in the rankings only the games they play 11v11.

ru4real wrote:IMO: We(LP Dalglish)/Fever/DTFTW are ranked to low. First two should be in the top 5. DTFTW should be abouve GSSC and Barakat. These opinions are based on rather recent results..

LPD's PK loss to then #10 dropped them one spot...but still in the top 5 and a very strong team.
Fever also lost to a #10 in Cosmos but otherwise had a very nice tournament. Still a dangerous team....a slight slip towards the end of PT and some inactivity may have caused a drop in rankings....probably better than the #10, I'd agree.

DTFW finished below Thunder Black in the PT Silver division. DTFW did beat Thunder
In a recent tournament... If that was Black then you're right...but the GSSC team was not listed as Black or White and the results were not considered in the APRs.
I'll update if more info can be provided.

Personally I think Cosmos is a little to low. If I'm not mistaken they beat Sting G a month ago so shouldn't that win mean more now that they are ranked 4th? Yes I know they lost to them in the last tournament but the one 3 weeks prior they won the head to head matchup. Heck the one win Sting G had over LPD seems to be extremely weighted considering within the last month Sting G lost to a team at the time barely in the top 30 and to Cosmos. Doesn't seem like a very large sample size to justify the jump. Not a big deal though, just more of a conversation starter.

It's all a crap shoot anyway with teams in the top 10 as I personally think if they all played each other 10 times they'd all end up within a game of each other. There's some very good teams in the 03 group.

Thanks Scoop for giving us something to talk about

FBRs looks at the Fall season as a 'body of work'....my system is more geared to 'what have you done lately'. This will be the final APR until 2/8/12. I expect to release a preseason Spring APR on that date.


This should get people's blood pumping, lol

"FBRs looks at the Fall season as a 'body of work'....my system is more geared to 'what have you done lately'. This will be the final APR until 2/8/12. I expect to release a preseason Spring APR on that date."


I'm going to have to break out the Delorean with the Flux Capacitor!

I saw a Delorean on Pawn Stars the other night. You can pick one up fairly cheap but what a piece of crap car...and slow.
Obviously, I meant 2/8/2013, on the next APR...working feverishly to meet that deadline!

This may sound like an idiot question, but I have to ask. When and how do we take in to account teams that invite a guest player to come in and help the team to get the win? We have seen this recently on a few top 10 teams. Should this only be a factor in the human rankings since a computer can't weigh a match up with/without guests? Or just look at the rankings and understand that the only reason why the team is where they are is because of guest help? I understand we are going to see a lot more of guest playing in the coming months. I was just curious if this is weighted or not.

Unfortunately, there's no formula to measure guest influence.
It's nearly impossible to keep track of each week.
Furthermore, every guest situation is unique. A guest from SRSA may change a team greatly while 2 guests from another Top5 may have little influence on the outcome. And many times, there's guest play that never gets reported here. So in short, I can't measure it. Certain team's ranking(s) will be inflated by guest play and we just have to grin and bear it. Sorry.
Interestingly, this is where the Human Poll, assuming the posters remain unbiased, can be more accurate than the computer's. The problem with that though is: Humans on here are real good with 1 thru 10, but after it gets unreliable.

scoop99 wrote:Unfortunately, there's no formula to measure guest influence.
It's nearly impossible to keep track of each week.
Furthermore, every guest situation is unique. A guest from SRSA may change a team greatly while 2 guests from another Top5 may have little influence on the outcome. And many times, there's guest play that never gets reported here. So in short, I can't measure it. Certain team's ranking(s) will be inflated by guest play and we just have to grin and bear it. Sorry.

no worries, grin and bear it was my thought too.

scoop99 wrote:Unfortunately, there's no formula to measure guest influence.
It's nearly impossible to keep track of each week.
Furthermore, every guest situation is unique. A guest from SRSA may change a team greatly while 2 guests from another Top5 may have little influence on the outcome. And many times, there's guest play that never gets reported here. So in short, I can't measure it. Certain team's ranking(s) will be inflated by guest play and we just have to grin and bear it. Sorry.Interestingly, this is where the Human Poll, assuming the posters remain unbiased, can be more accurate than the computer's. The problem with that though is: Humans on here are real good with 1 thru 10, but after it gets unreliable.

Unless you were SRSA's B team winning the silver division in TGPL. Then you will be completely left out of the rankings. FCD Premier Diaz players played in every FCD Palmisano game, yet you still ranked Palmisano.

You forgot to mention FCD Premier Frisco too.
The SRSA B and FCD Premier Frisco teams were not 'guest situations'
Those were dependent teams..supported by their top team(s). SRSA B had as few as 5 of their own players at certain TGPL games. The rest were SRSA players.
This Spring, that will be a different story. Solar Chelsea will not rely on SRSA for help and I expect them to be a top 10 team. But, they have to win a game as an 'independent' before that will happen.

Didn't know anything about Palmisano.

scoop99 wrote:I saw a Delorean on Pawn Stars the other night. You can pick one up fairly cheap but what a piece of crap car...and slow.
Obviously, I meant 2/8/2013, on the next APR...working feverishly to meet that deadline!

Scoop, just clowning around...
Thanks for your work!

Does FC Dallas Palmisano still exist?

Infinity04Dad wrote:Does FC Dallas Palmisano still exist?

FC Dallas Thompson

scoop99 wrote:You forgot to mention FCD Premier Frisco too.
The SRSA B and FCD Premier Frisco teams were not 'guest situations'
Those were dependent teams..supported by their top team(s). SRSA B had as few as 5 of their own players at certain TGPL games. The rest were SRSA players.
This Spring, that will be a different story. Solar Chelsea will not rely on SRSA for help and I expect them to be a top 10 team. But, they have to win a game as an 'independent' before that will happen.

Didn't know anything about Palmisano.

From what I saw in the Futsal league this winter, the SRSA / Chelsea group has depth to spare. The Chelsea team Top 10? Not at first if they are indeed playing with out help from SRSA. I mean, give me a break - they have never even played an outdoor game together as a team.

So talent yes, they have it - team chemistry, no they won't have it yet. I think they will have to weather the storm of the first 4 or 5 games to gel - but with their coaching staff and quality of practices, I don't even need my crystal ball to predict that they will be in good shape to make a run at a top 10 seed when QT rolls around. The Chelsea / Mendoza game should be interesting to watch on Saturday as both teams have a ? mark on them right now.

I think Sting G was in a similar situation with their group earlier in the summer which is why all of the "guess" play in tournaments this spring. If they would not have used the guests, they probably would have floundered before getting their footing and would have dropped in the rankings - the difference is, they did not have the numbers or depth to do so and survive. But now, after some tournament wins under their belts, plentiful new recruits and a superb coach comfortably in control, they should be stabilized enough to (and hopefully will) drop all the guests and settle in just fine in the top 10 if not 5 by QT.

flygirl wrote:

scoop99 wrote:You forgot to mention FCD Premier Frisco too.
The SRSA B and FCD Premier Frisco teams were not 'guest situations'
Those were dependent teams..supported by their top team(s). SRSA B had as few as 5 of their own players at certain TGPL games. The rest were SRSA players.
This Spring, that will be a different story. Solar Chelsea will not rely on SRSA for help and I expect them to be a top 10 team. But, they have to win a game as an 'independent' before that will happen.

Didn't know anything about Palmisano.

From what I saw in the Futsal league this winter, the SRSA / Chelsea group has depth to spare. The Chelsea team Top 10? Not at first if they are indeed playing with out help from SRSA. I mean, give me a break - they have never even played an outdoor game together as a team.

So talent yes, they have it - team chemistry, no they won't have it yet. I think they will have to weather the storm of the first 4 or 5 games to gel - but with their coaching staff and quality of practices, I don't even need my crystal ball to predict that they will be in good shape to make a run at a top 10 seed when QT rolls around. The Chelsea / Mendoza game should be interesting to watch on Saturday as both teams have a ? mark on them right now.

I think Sting G was in a similar situation with their group earlier in the summer which is why all of the "guess" play in tournaments this spring. If they would not have used the guests, they probably would have floundered before getting their footing and would have dropped in the rankings - the difference is, they did not have the numbers or depth to do so and survive. But now, after some tournament wins under their belts, plentiful new recruits and a superb coach comfortably in control, they should be stabilized enough to (and hopefully will) drop all the guests and settle in just fine in the top 10 if not 5 by QT.

I would agree with this analysis of Solar Chelsea Gio. It is a great group of girls with a ton of potential. I have been through this drill before and have been guilty of placing expectations to high, too fast with a newly formed Solar team (Chelsea Canevari) - simply because they were associated and practiced with SRSA.

Gio will eventually be a good team and D1 contenders if they can - as Flygirl says "weather the storm" through the first part of this season. I feel they will come in and win some games, but there will be a honeymoon phase when they have to learn how to play with each other and become consistent in their performance.

I wish the best of luck to everyone this spring season, it should be exciting.

DID FCD Palmisano quit?

Has Thompson coached before? no Bio

Oh and #24 spot open Solar fell apart- Joey K team

JH01 wrote: DID FCD Palmisano quit?

Has Thompson coached before? no Bio

Palmisano is only coaching boys teams at FCD now. Bryan Thompson's bio is on the FCD Youth site. His info is pasted below.

Licensure:
-USSF B License
-NSCAA National License


Education:
-BBA, Southern Methodist University
-Texas Teaching Certificate: Social Studies, Business & Special Education

Coaching Experience:
-2004-12 Men's & Women's Club Coach: Comets Soccer Club
-North Texas 96 & 97 Boys Olympic Development Head Coach
-USSF Region III Staff Coach

-Men's & Women's Wylie East High School Head Coach
-District 21-4A Men's High School Coach of the Year

Playing Experience:
-1992 NSCAA College All-American
-1989 U20 World Cup (4th place finish)
-U17, U20 & U23 men's national teams
-U21 Toulon Tournament
-SMU 4 year starter and captain
-2 time parade high school All-American
-Finalist Hermann Trophy
-2 time Adidas Academic All-American
-GTE Southwestern Conference Scholar Athlete Award

Solarace wrote:

JH01 wrote: DID FCD Palmisano quit?

Has Thompson coached before? no Bio

Palmisano is only coaching boys teams at FCD now. Bryan Thompson's bio is on the FCD Youth site. His info is pasted below.

Licensure:
-USSF B License
-NSCAA National License


Education:
-BBA, Southern Methodist University
-Texas Teaching Certificate: Social Studies, Business & Special Education

Coaching Experience:
-2004-12 Men's & Women's Club Coach: Comets Soccer Club
-North Texas 96 & 97 Boys Olympic Development Head Coach
-USSF Region III Staff Coach

-Men's & Women's Wylie East High School Head Coach
-District 21-4A Men's High School Coach of the Year

Playing Experience:
-1992 NSCAA College All-American
-1989 U20 World Cup (4th place finish)
-U17, U20 & U23 men's national teams
-U21 Toulon Tournament
-SMU 4 year starter and captain
-2 time parade high school All-American
-Finalist Hermann Trophy
-2 time Adidas Academic All-American
-GTE Southwestern Conference Scholar Athlete Award

...and to think, he did it all without drinking a single 5-Hour Energy shot...

You forgot to mention FCD Premier Frisco too.
The SRSA B and FCD Premier Frisco teams were not 'guest situations'
Those were dependent teams..supported by their top team(s). SRSA B had as few as 5 of their own players at certain

What happened to the second FC Dallas Premier team- the one labeled Frisco?

I see that SRSA "B" team is playing TGPL Gold and is now Solar Chelsea Gio, but I only see FC Dallas Premier in TGPL Gold and FC Dallas Copa Thompson in TGPL Silver.

Infinity04Dad wrote:

You forgot to mention FCD Premier Frisco too.
The SRSA B and FCD Premier Frisco teams were not 'guest situations'
Those were dependent teams..supported by their top team(s). SRSA B had as few as 5 of their own players at certain

What happened to the second FC Dallas Premier team- the one labeled Frisco?

I see that SRSA "B" team is playing TGPL Gold and is now Solar Chelsea Gio, but I only see FC Dallas Premier in TGPL Gold and FC Dallas Copa Thompson in TGPL Silver.

Pretty sure they were just a mix of FCD Prem and Palmisano last Fall