03 QT Change

Rex Ryan Ate My Hamster wrote:Just so we know what sandbox we’re playing in:

Falsification of a birth certificate or knowingly presenting or using a falsified birth certificate is a violation of Chapter 37.10 of the Texas Penal Code.  Depending on the circumstances, penalties range from a Class A Misdemeanor (1 year in jail, $4,000 fine) up to a Second Degree Felony (up to 20 yrs in jail, 2 year minimum and a $10,000 fine).   I have zero knowledge of the facts and am not alleging that anything actually happened here, but if what’s described on this board is true that could constitute what is lovingly referred to in Texas as a “State Jail Felony” (2 yrs in jail, 180 day minimum and a $10,000 fine).   The language of the statute is very broad, under some circumstances it could possibly apply to people other than a parent - a coach, a team manager or a club official as well if they had actual knowledge of the false birth certificate.  

For your reading pleasure:  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.37.htm#37.10  

Although prosecution may not be likely under these circumstances, why would anyone do this for 10 year old soccer???   Or for any other purpose???    Worst.  Decision.  Ever.  

First-time poster but this got my attention like nothing else on this board ever has.   Again, I am in no way alleging or implying that anything happened here, nor that the club, coach, manager or other parents had any knowledge and am not advocating that anyone be prosecuted in this context, just want the possible consequences to be known so that people don’t make this very bad decision.

12monkeys wrote:

Rex Ryan Ate My Hamster wrote:Just so we know what sandbox we’re playing in:

Falsification of a birth certificate or knowingly presenting or using a falsified birth certificate is a violation of Chapter 37.10 of the Texas Penal Code.  Depending on the circumstances, penalties range from a Class A Misdemeanor (1 year in jail, $4,000 fine) up to a Second Degree Felony (up to 20 yrs in jail, 2 year minimum and a $10,000 fine).   I have zero knowledge of the facts and am not alleging that anything actually happened here, but if what’s described on this board is true that could constitute what is lovingly referred to in Texas as a “State Jail Felony” (2 yrs in jail, 180 day minimum and a $10,000 fine).   The language of the statute is very broad, under some circumstances it could possibly apply to people other than a parent - a coach, a team manager or a club official as well if they had actual knowledge of the false birth certificate.  

For your reading pleasure:  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.37.htm#37.10  

Although prosecution may not be likely under these circumstances, why would anyone do this for 10 year old soccer???   Or for any other purpose???    Worst.  Decision.  Ever.  

First-time poster but this got my attention like nothing else on this board ever has.   Again, I am in no way alleging or implying that anything happened here, nor that the club, coach, manager or other parents had any knowledge and am not advocating that anyone be prosecuted in this context, just want the possible consequences to be known so that people don’t make this very bad decision.

Wow...what if there were 2 illegal players?

FastPitch wrote:If 1 kid, the DD should be ban from LH for two years. If two players, the ban should go to the coach and Director.  This behavior should be dealt with severely.  How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

FastPitch wrote:If two players, the ban should go to the coach and Director.  This behavior should be dealt with severely.

turboblaster wrote:There is at least 1 other 03 Sting girl whose age was questioned last weekend.  I never heard the outcome of that investigation.

FastPitch wrote:
If two players, the ban should go to the coach and Director. This behavior should be dealt with severely.

turboblaster wrote:

FastPitch wrote: How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

While I agree that there were some interesting questions raised about the birth certificate in question, I think we would be best served by leaving local/state/national politics off this board.   There is way too much going on in the 03 soccer world to worry about that other one here.

Seven wrote:

turboblaster wrote:

FastPitch wrote: How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

While I agree that there were some interesting questions raised about the birth certificate in question, I think we would be best served by leaving local/state/national politics off this board.   There is way too much going on in the 03 soccer world to worry about that other one here.

If they wait a few months maybe they will be granted amnesty.

03eagle wrote:

pro16 wrote:Heard that coach was unaware and has been cleared. Anybody know if that's accurate?

I think that depends on one's perspective of "unaware" and "cleared".  After talking with a former parent on the team and some others claiming knowledge, it is a concerning set of circumstances.  On the BB Board, it seemed to be acknowledged that an illegal player was used, whether it was done "knowingly" seemed to be the issue.  There was no reply when several on point questions were asked on the Board.

The grass is greener wrote:Everyone knows the deceit, deception, multiple identities and cunning of the characters we all are entertained by – James Bond, Jason Bourne, etc...  This is a sad day in Soccer when 15 innocent U11 players, our coach and our manager are punished for the work of one who has deceived.  Not only did this individual deceive our team and our club; they deceived Lake Highlands Girls Classic Soccer as well as North Texas Soccer.  We pay a fee to be input into the database of North Texas Soccer as a check and balance …  We submit rosters for league play and tournaments as a check and balance…  Lake Highlands verified and cleared our team, manager and coach, as we all did everything that we should have done correctly, by the book.   This, unfortunately, could happen to any team – I sure hope it doesn’t, but it could.  There is a fault in the system when this type of forgery is not caught and the sins of one are held to the entire group – guilty by association.  I choose to believe that people are honest and good at heart and to give the benefit of the doubt, that this is not the norm but the exception.   But in our case, one has had a grave impact on the many as we are not allowed to play in the second round of the QT at the time of this post.  I am deeply saddened for our girls, as they have worked so hard for so long – not just this year, to be thwarted by the “system” and a single player and parent who had just joined our team.  Put yourself in our shoes – it could happen to any team…  

DDx3 wrote:Judging the team, club, and other player’s parents is unjust.  I highly doubt any other parents knew of these circumstances ahead of time.  This is a good team that had a very good chance of making Lake Highlands.  I wish all the parents and kids the best.

The grass is greener wrote:Everyone knows the deceit, deception, multiple identities and cunning of the characters we all are entertained by – James Bond, Jason Bourne, etc...  This is a sad day in Soccer when 15 innocent U11 players, our coach and our manager are punished for the work of one who has deceived.  Not only did this individual deceive our team and our club; they deceived Lake Highlands Girls Classic Soccer as well as North Texas Soccer.  We pay a fee to be input into the database of North Texas Soccer as a check and balance …  We submit rosters for league play and tournaments as a check and balance…  Lake Highlands verified and cleared our team, manager and coach, as we all did everything that we should have done correctly, by the book.   This, unfortunately, could happen to any team – I sure hope it doesn’t, but it could.  There is a fault in the system when this type of forgery is not caught and the sins of one are held to the entire group – guilty by association.  I choose to believe that people are honest and good at heart and to give the benefit of the doubt, that this is not the norm but the exception.   But in our case, one has had a grave impact on the many as we are not allowed to play in the second round of the QT at the time of this post.  I am deeply saddened for our girls, as they have worked so hard for so long – not just this year, to be thwarted by the “system” and a single player and parent who had just joined our team.  Put yourself in our shoes – it could happen to any team…  

Triumph FC wrote:Maybe it was the player driving to games that got her noticed along with saying next years college coach was coming to watch her play!