03 State Cup Team List

Big Daddy wrote:I look at this as a simple mistake made by NTX soccer.  Should have been corrected.  But why would the managers do the right thing and have it corrected? They wouldn't benefit from the change.  

Another example of winning at all cost before doing the right thing.

turftoe9 wrote:How is that a stretch? Right is Right.

ballhead wrote:

2ddsinsoccer wrote:GrandTx, yes a seeding meeting typically happens to determine the seeding.  One was held this year but no reminder was sent about it like years past.  In order to have remembered the meeting date, one would have had to write it down as a reminder on the calendar 2 months ago when the registration was done.  I would have written it down had I not known that the TD was not going to send a reminder to the team managers and Coaches like she did last year.  That being said neither Solar team in question was represented at the meeting.  Of the 7 or 8 teams that remembered and were present at the meeting, NONE disagreed obviously with the seeding of Solar Red 03 in 8th place and signed the seeding sheet to finalize the seeds.  That folks is how the #1 and #2 teams in the age group and the Champion and Finalist of 2014 State Cup and 2015 Dallas International Girls Cup ended up in the same bracket.

I was a team manager for 8 years.  It is not the TD's responsibility to send out reminders so that you don't have to "write it down".  I find it maddening when an organization gets blamed for not sending out a reminder to something that happens every year, and the date was published.  As a manager, it's incumbent upon us to know what dates are important (and this one qualifies).

It would have been nice if a reminder had gone out, but the date is clearly delineated on the State Cup "Important Dates" tab on the NTX website.  Everyone involved knew that there was going to be a manager's meeting, and should have taken the time to make sure they knew when it was going to be held.

You seem to suggest that perhaps the other teams (that did, somehow, remember to go) should have objected to the seeding and asked them to seed the absent team higher?  

Perhaps your club should have reminded it's managers that it was an important date.  Or maybe it's their fault, too!

2ddsinsoccer wrote:
Ballhead, don't come for me unless I send for you!  Did I say it was the TD's fault for not sending a reminder??  No I did not.  What I said was I would have written the date down on my calendar months ago when I registered had I known no reminder would be sent like years past.  If a reminder was sent about the Mandatory meeting last year, a logical person like myself would also think that a reminder would have been sent this year.  One wasn't sent and personally if you could see the concern in my left eye, you'd know it is even less in my right.  It's all water under the bridge now and really a moot point.  I work an 8 to 5 and on top of that I have had 2 death's in my family, have a 98 with her second ACL injury in 2 years and 94 year old Grandmother in the hospital with a blood clot in her neck all in the last 2 weeks.  The mandatory meeting was the farthest thing from my mind even if I had written it down.  I was answering GrandTX question about the meeting and you decided to point fingers this way.  I take all responsibility for my missing the meeting and as I said, had I been there I would certainly have objected to Solar Red 03 being seeded at #8 because in all honesty, EVERYONE knows that they should not have been seeded there.  As for Solar Chelsea 03, we will play any opponent in front of us.  We will win and we lose and we won't get on this board and boast and brag nor will we gripe or complain when either happens.  I've been a team manager for each of my daughter's teams since my 98 started Academy back in 2005, I've probably missed tons of soccer related meetings and if I continue to be a team manager, I'll probably miss several more.  You act like I jumped on this thread to complain about the seeding when all I did was answer a question that was directed at me.  You on the other hand, directly quoted my post and decided to read me for stating my opinion.   Are you the TD since you seem so hell bent on defending her?  Just like you find it maddening when an organization gets blamed for not sending out a reminder to something that happens every year, and the date was published.  I could have said I find it equally maddening when an organization sends reminders to mandatory meetings every year and then all of sudden this year they don't.  But, I did not say that now did I?   Please, you're barking up the wrong tree, maybe you have a beef with Solar SC or even Solar Red, but not with me.  I didn't start this thread, nor did I complain about the seeding.  I stated my opinion and said what I would have done had I been present at the meeting.  I was not there, the schedule is out and final and good luck to all teams in the tournament.

ballhead wrote:

2ddsinsoccer wrote:
Ballhead, don't come for me unless I send for you!  Did I say it was the TD's fault for not sending a reminder??  No I did not.  What I said was I would have written the date down on my calendar months ago when I registered had I known no reminder would be sent like years past.  If a reminder was sent about the Mandatory meeting last year, a logical person like myself would also think that a reminder would have been sent this year.  One wasn't sent and personally if you could see the concern in my left eye, you'd know it is even less in my right.  It's all water under the bridge now and really a moot point.  I work an 8 to 5 and on top of that I have had 2 death's in my family, have a 98 with her second ACL injury in 2 years and 94 year old Grandmother in the hospital with a blood clot in her neck all in the last 2 weeks.  The mandatory meeting was the farthest thing from my mind even if I had written it down.  I was answering GrandTX question about the meeting and you decided to point fingers this way.  I take all responsibility for my missing the meeting and as I said, had I been there I would certainly have objected to Solar Red 03 being seeded at #8 because in all honesty, EVERYONE knows that they should not have been seeded there.  As for Solar Chelsea 03, we will play any opponent in front of us.  We will win and we lose and we won't get on this board and boast and brag nor will we gripe or complain when either happens.  I've been a team manager for each of my daughter's teams since my 98 started Academy back in 2005, I've probably missed tons of soccer related meetings and if I continue to be a team manager, I'll probably miss several more.  You act like I jumped on this thread to complain about the seeding when all I did was answer a question that was directed at me.  You on the other hand, directly quoted my post and decided to read me for stating my opinion.   Are you the TD since you seem so hell bent on defending her?  Just like you find it maddening when an organization gets blamed for not sending out a reminder to something that happens every year, and the date was published.  I could have said I find it equally maddening when an organization sends reminders to mandatory meetings every year and then all of sudden this year they don't.  But, I did not say that now did I?   Please, you're barking up the wrong tree, maybe you have a beef with Solar SC or even Solar Red, but not with me.  I didn't start this thread, nor did I complain about the seeding.  I stated my opinion and said what I would have done had I been present at the meeting.  I was not there, the schedule is out and final and good luck to all teams in the tournament.

Let me be REALLY clear:  I am not the tournament director, nor have I been a tournament director of ANY tournament, ever.  Thanks for clarifying that.

I'm sorry for your troubles, it sounds like it's been a very trying time.  Yes it has been.  I probably would have missed the meeting even if I had remembered or been reminded.  My family buried my Uncle that day.

That said, it sure seemed like you were complaining. Not complaining at all, I simply answered a question that was directed at me.  As I mentioned before, I was a manager for a long, long time, and I found it to be my responsibility to make sure that I attended any meetings that I needed to attend.  If I couldn't, I got someone else to do it.  It was clearly one of the most thankless jobs there is, but I never complained about or blamed anything on someone else when I was the one that had dropped the ball.  

A reminder would have been nice, no doubt.  But it's not like the meeting was just scheduled, or only a few people turned out.  It actually sounds like most made it, but I wasn't there, so I couldn't say for sure. Out of 14 teams, 5 managers and 2 coaches made it to the meeting according to my sources.  That's half the teams playing so looks like the other half forgot as well.  

I have no beef with Solar or Solar Red, in fact, some of those coaches are personal friends of mine, but as someone else so aptly put earlier in this thread:  "Right is Right". Right is right and the right thing would have been for those present to seed according to FACT!   As I stated, I was not there, my team was seeded #1, and I did not start this thread complaining about the seeding.  I responded to a question and stated my opinion as to what I would have done had I been at the meeting.  

Good night!  

Koba wrote:NTSSA has time to fix this mess....why they aren't doing cross bracket games with those two 3 team brackets is another mystery....instead they are scheduling just 2 games in pool play for Brackets A & B???

turftoe9 wrote: I'll disagree with you on this. When the top teams are put in the same bracket a weaker team gets to move on in a tournament where they should've been eliminated. For lhgcl to think that we're an D2 team is crazy. From what I hear is that Sanchez & Hilton had a big voice in keeping our girls at the #8 seed. Cowards!!!

ballhead wrote:

Big Daddy wrote:I look at this as a simple mistake made by NTX soccer.  Should have been corrected.  But why would the managers do the right thing and have it corrected? They wouldn't benefit from the change.  

Another example of winning at all cost before doing the right thing.

Why is this a NTX mistake that they should correct?  They provided an opportunity for the participants to correct and adjust seeding if they deemed it necessary, and the two managers simply didn't take advantage of it.  Now the other teams in the group are guilty of the dreaded "win at all costs" sin because they didn't fix what could have been corrected had the Solar managers showed up.

That's a stretch, at least in my book.

turftoe9 wrote:No we'll play anyone any time. It's just crazy that the 2 top teams are in the same bracket.  Everyone else is breathing a sigh of relief that neither one is in there bracket. Game on in a couple weeks..

turftoe9 wrote:No we'll play anyone any time. It's just crazy that the 2 top teams are in the same bracket.  Everyone else is breathing a sigh of relief that neither one is in there bracket. Game on in a couple weeks..

turftoe9 wrote:I'm curious how they did the seedings.
There are 14 teams, if 1 plays 14 and you work it down #8 should be in bracket #3. So yes there is a conspiracy that all Solar teams are in the same bracket.

turftoe9 wrote:Again I don't disagree with you. But since we were seeded at #8, so #1 plays #14 and if you work it down #8 should be in the #3 bracket. I don't understand their seedings.

turftoe9 wrote:If you have noticed we've played in 02 tournaments Also.
I'm just getting some commentary going on here. I seriously don't understand how lhgcl came up with the seedings. Just use alitte commend sense. The games will be played and who knows maybe with our girls getting seated #8 it will fire them up. After the last tournament, which had many good games. I don't expect anything different at The State Cup. Good luck to all teams participating.