LHQT/Plano Seed Question

QUESTION:  Should the teams in LHQT Round 2 be given a bye into Plano Division 1 if they fail to qualify for LH (As oppossed to promoting a Plano Div 2 team to Div 1)???

There are 4 teams from PPL left.


DIVISION 1:

1 NORTH TEXAS FUTBOL NTFC 01G BLACK (LHQT2)

2 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 01 GIRLS KEEGAN (Did not make)

3 TEXAS SPIRIT NORTH 01 RED (LHQT ROUND 2)

4 NORTH TEXAS FUTBOL NTFC 01G GREEN

5 CELTIC SC 01G MACMILLAN

6 ODYSSEY SC 01 GIRLS (LHQT ROUND 2)

7 FORNEY SC 01 GIRLS  

8 FC DALLAS 01G RED (LHQT ROUND 2)

9 FC TRINITY 01 GIRLS  

10 INFINITY FC 01 GIRLS  


DIVISION 2:

1 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 02 GIRLS KEEGAN  

2 MUTINY FC 01G  

3 GSSC 01 GIRLS  

4 FC FLAMES  

5 ROCKWALL FC RFC HOTSPURS

6 WARRIORS 01

7 STING 01G TAYLOR  

8 FCUSA TX 01G (LHQT ROUND 2)

9 FC DALLAS YOUTH 01G SILVER

10 FC DALLAS 01G BLUE  

DIVISION 3

1 TEXAS LONESTARS 01G  

2 FUSION ELITE FUTBOL FUSION ELITE FC 01G  

3 TRIUMPH FC 01G  

4 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 01 GIRLS HUNT

5 TEXAS SPIRIT 01 CENTRAL G (MARVELOUS)

6 PACHUCA DALLAS CF 01 GIRLS  

7 ON THE BALL SOCCER FC OTB 01G  

8 SAINTS ASC SAINTS 01G  

9 FC STORM 01G RED  

10 FC DALLAS YOUTH 01G WHITE

11 FC STORM 01G BLUE

OffsideSince1968 wrote:QUESTION:  Should the teams in LHQT Round 2 be given a bye into Plano Division 1 if they fail to qualify for LH (As oppossed to promoting a Plano Div 2 team to Div 1)???


DIVISION 1:

1 NORTH TEXAS FUTBOL NTFC 01G BLACK (LHQT2)

2 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 01 GIRLS KEEGAN (Did not make)

3 TEXAS SPIRIT NORTH 01 RED (LHQT2)

4 NORTH TEXAS FUTBOL NTFC 01G GREEN

5 CELTIC SC 01G MACMILLAN

6 ODYSSEY SC 01 GIRLS  

7 FORNEY SC 01 GIRLS  

8 FC DALLAS 01G RED (LHQT2)

9 FC TRINITY 01 GIRLS  

10 INFINITY FC 01 GIRLS  


DIVISION 2:

1 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 02 GIRLS KEEGAN  

2 MUTINY FC 01G  

3 GSSC 01 GIRLS  

4 FC FLAMES  

5 ROCKWALL FC RFC HOTSPURS

6 WARRIORS 01

7 STING 01G TAYLOR  

8 FCUSA TX 01G (LHQT2)

9 FC DALLAS YOUTH 01G SILVER

10 FC DALLAS 01G BLUE  

DIVISION 3

1 TEXAS LONESTARS 01G  

2 FUSION ELITE FUTBOL FUSION ELITE FC 01G  

3 TRIUMPH FC 01G  

4 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 01 GIRLS HUNT

5 TEXAS SPIRIT 01 CENTRAL G (MARVELOUS)

6 PACHUCA DALLAS CF 01 GIRLS  

7 ON THE BALL SOCCER FC OTB 01G  

8 SAINTS ASC SAINTS 01G  

9 FC STORM 01G RED  

10 FC DALLAS YOUTH 01G WHITE

FC STORM 01G BLUE  

We finished 5th right in Plano. We were a "Division 3 Plano team" as it seems to be presented. I am going to let you in on a dirty little secret. I think Divisions are great but not always accurate. I also think there were some teams in Division 3 Plano that could beat teams in Division 1 Plano. (Heck on the right day I think our side will give Classic 3 teams a run for their money)

Just because you entered QT doesn't mean you should get a bye into another league. That's pretty silly to me. That's like saying if my girls played the 2nd game to a tie. ( like it should have been) They deserve to be in Division 1. Instead of following the process which exists. I believe processes are set for a reason and should be followed. They also need to be revisited to see if the process makes sense. The infamous N+1 rewards teams that stay together. Exists in Plano for that reason some hate it but I like it. It seems fair and builds continuity. So the league said earlier the 10 highest teams with N+1 get Division 1 and next 10 get Division 2. Now here is the million dollar question if you want to revisit the Ghost advantage ( yes I would have an issue with it here if your ghost player allows you to keep a bye not to make but a bye see the difference) The league also is set up that you play games on the field know what you have to do to get relegated so do your job and you end up where you end up. Don't and you end up in Division 3 Plano asking yourself the question why. I think we may have solved some of those why questions this year. Just wanting to play more and see. Under the rules looking at the above list and the N+1 failures that have been rumored we probably end up in Division 2 this year. The game on the field will tell teams if they improved or regressed. It's the beautiful thing about competition to me, play and make it happen. (I am not a big fan of club byes by the way but the rule is the rule so everyone understands before they sign up)

I hear there shouldn't been an advantage for being part of a larger club versus a smaller club. Wait are you people insane. Why do the Yankees, Man United, FC Barcelona do better then Pittsburgh or Swansea. There is a reason you pay more for the larger clubs and why an independent doesn't have the same cost structure. So if the large club takes uses the CPP rule to their advantage. So be it. Okay I have gone way off the mark but it's me musing again.

Simple point could be this. Release the rules of your league early so everyone knows what the rules are. Play within the rules of the league. And just let the kids play the beautiful game.

Marvelousmar wrote:


I hear there shouldn't been an advantage for being part of a larger club versus a smaller club.  Wait are you people insane.  Why do the Yankees,  Man United,  FC Barcelona  do better then Pittsburgh or Swansea.  There is a reason you pay more for the larger clubs and why an independent doesn't have the same cost structure.  So if the large club takes uses the CPP rule to their advantage.  So be it.  Okay I have gone way off the mark but it's me musing again.  

Simple point could be this.  Release the rules of your league early so everyone knows what the rules are.  Play within the rules of the league. And just let the kids play the beautiful game.

Why do those teams do better?  Because they have more money to buy players.

Why do you pay more for larger clubs?  Because you have to cover their larger overhead?  Or because people are "sold" on the "benefits" of a larger club?  Or because the clubs know they can charge is and people will pay?  Parental ego in belonging to the "named" club?

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Marvelousmar wrote:


Why do those teams do better?  Because they have more money to buy players.

Why do you pay more for larger clubs?  Because you have to cover their larger overhead?  Or because people are "sold" on the "benefits" of a larger club?  Or because the clubs know they can charge is and people will pay?  Parental ego in belonging to the "named" club?

Ah that's another question. If there isn't benefits of being part of the larger club then the larger club isn't doing their job. Parental ego. That's another discussion that I am not able to discuss in a public forum for fear of parental backlash.

My DD plays for a large club.  It is for sure a MONEY GRAB!   Our coach is great, and my DD loves the team.  But costs WAY too much.

I believe that you can draw conclusions that by the way the plano teams finish in LH.

For example - if Spirit Red doesn't qualify but had the best record, then I submit Spirit Red to be the best plano team out there.

Give them a D1 bye. Why would you make them play in the lowest division?

VoteforPedro wrote:I believe that you can draw conclusions that by the way the plano teams finish in LH.

For example - if Spirit Red doesn't qualify but had the best record, then I submit Spirit Red to be the best plano team out there.

Give them a D1 bye.  Why would you make them play in the lowest division?

They would have a bye based on the rules that currently exist. N+1 and where they placed last year.

What I am saying if let's say FCUSA ( love you guys) finished 9th in PPL2 has N+1 but there were enough teams ahead that had N+1 to complete and finishes some how 5th in points do you put them directly in Division 1 Because a team that finished ahead of them in the table didn't enter the tourney? Simply put just follow the rules don't get ticked at N+1 and play your but out during the regular season to move up the list.

Isn't the idea to put teams in the right level of soccer?

Relegation lowers teams that play bad to put them in the correct level.
Promotion raises team to reward teams that outplayed their division and such.

If a bad team stayed together, do they really deserve to play in Division 1?

VoteforPedro wrote:Isn't the idea to put teams in the right level of soccer?

Relegation lowers teams that play bad to put them in the correct level.
Promotion raises team to reward teams that outplayed their division and such.

If a bad team stayed together, do they really deserve to play in Division 1?

Well that's what's been happening in these parts for years. I would argue some teams in LH have benefited from that as well.

My crazy world has more teams going out for QT each year. In Plano. So if you kept your bye you keep it. Then have an opening tryout if you want to move up. They moved up the 2 but if your not part of the two it's open season. Still not sure QT solves that problem because so many things go at defining what division you end up in. However, at least it is solved on the field. With the limited field space and kids already playing too many games. I understand why Plano is doing it the way that they are doing it. And with a possible 4 team swap every year it should self correct.

If under the rules a team ends up in division 3. Moving up 2 divisions in a year is possible if they play well. If they are not good enough to move up the three divisions they should be good enough to move up one if not they are what they are and have to fix it within the next year.

It's hard to get it perfect but the leagues are doing the best that they can. Just make me king for a day and I'd change a bunch but they don't want to hear from me. I'm way too out there.

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OffsideSince1968 wrote:
I hear there shouldn't been an advantage for being part of a larger club versus a smaller club.  Wait are you people insane.  Why do the Yankees,  Man United,  FC Barcelona  do better then Pittsburgh or Swansea.  There is a reason you pay more for the larger clubs and why an independent doesn't have the same cost structure.  So if the large club takes uses the CPP rule to their advantage.  So be it.  Okay I have gone way off the mark but it's me musing again.  

wait...are you really trying to compare the economics of professional sports with select soccer?

No not trying to compare the economics just giving an example that has been around from the beginning of time. There will be haves and there will be have nots. There will be folks that have an advantage and folks trying to get to their level. It's life and that's what makes it fun. Everyone loves the little guy and every little guy is trying to become a bigger guy. Why does everyone cheer for the little guy to pull the upset but then their upset that without the bigger guy the event doesn't seem right. It's a crazy battle of balance that exists in professional sports. And sort of exists in Select Soccer to a much lessor extent but the theory still exists and is somewhat valid. I probably shouldn't be commenting as I know it would probably be taken out of context and I am just typing what is coming to my mind on the issue. Hopefully the context of the discussion can be understood. With the analogies that I am trying to draw. Here are my bullet points.
1. Big clubs will try to win.
2. Little clubs will try to win.
3. Parents will try to win.
4. Girls will try to win.
5. There will be some kids that just want to have a good time and you know what that's okay. (That's what the bench is for. Okay I am joking ......)

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/North-Texas-Kids-Keep-Cool-Outside-in-Summer-Heat-320237461.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_DFWBrand

Texas heat and sports

To answer the OP, no. It should have no bearing on the placement for PPL. If I remember correctly, plano relegates and promote during the winter break, so these teams that do well can potential move up after 8 or so games.