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Post by Soccer_Mom_03 on 16/07/18, 09:57 am

My husband just shot this article to me, and I thought it was incredibly relevant to the conversations that have been dominating this forum lately.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook/2018/07/16/whats-killing-youth-soccer-in-america-is-also-hurting-most-every-other-sport/#792261c61ea8

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Post by Guest on 16/07/18, 10:33 am

Anyone else see the tremendous irony in that article being published in Forbes?

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 16/07/18, 10:56 am

Interesting point about rec soccer declining. The local associations have been gutted by the clubs. Makes you wonder if they will just be fielding 3 yr old leagues soon.
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Post by ProDallas on 16/07/18, 11:01 am

It is an interesting and timely article. However, articles like this making the same points are written and published all the time. What this, and the many other articles like it, lacks are clear insights into solutions to the challenges outlined. I would encourage Mr. Cook to research and provide a follow-up piece focused on solutions to each of the challenges he outlined.

If he's so passionate about this cause, I encourage Mr. Cook to meet those kids at his son's school and introduce them to some club teams in their community. There's a lot of teams in the Chicagoland area where his bio says he's from. In general, all the people with opinions about soccer in America need to focus their energy on solutions rather than writing the same old articles about everything that's wrong. We all know clubs provide financial support to talented players who need help.

Meanwhile, all we can do as parents is provide our own DDs with the best opportunities to grow in the game and maximize their potential. And, if we see kids with what we perceive to be great talent, though from families without financial means, we can certainly help steer them to the clubs that provide financial aid if we feel so inclined.
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Post by SoccerDad75070 on 16/07/18, 12:53 pm

And another interesting one:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/07/the-downsides-of-americas-hyper-competitive-youth-soccer-industry/565109/

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Post by brazos on 16/07/18, 01:31 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:Interesting point about rec soccer declining. The local associations have been gutted by the clubs. Makes you wonder if they will just be fielding 3 yr old leagues soon.

Funny you say that but I see more and more 4-6 year old's just going straight to trainers/small clubs instead of playing rec ball.

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Post by soccerhuh18 on 16/07/18, 04:35 pm

SoccerDad75070 wrote:And another interesting one:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/07/the-downsides-of-americas-hyper-competitive-youth-soccer-industry/565109/

I find it really interesting that, with so many articles addressing the issue, parents are still somehow able to ignore the staggering statistics of early burnout and overuse injuries, because their kids “love it so much and don’t want to do anything else.” The system needs to be fed to stay alive. I fully blame parents with insane priorities.

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Post by AlittleBitofSanity on 16/07/18, 04:45 pm

soccerhuh18 wrote:
SoccerDad75070 wrote:And another interesting one:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/07/the-downsides-of-americas-hyper-competitive-youth-soccer-industry/565109/

I find it really interesting that, with so many articles addressing the issue, parents are still somehow able to ignore the staggering statistics of early burnout and overuse injuries, because their kids “love it so much and don’t want to do anything else.” The system needs to be fed to stay alive. I fully blame parents with insane priorities.
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the parents are definitely to blame- we drain the fun out of it. we feel that if our child is one of the better players in rec, he is not being pushed enough. this is really not limited to sports. goes the same for academics. only difference is that academics can actually lead to a brighter future- club soccer (for 99.9999999%) will not. I do think the overuse injury argument is "overused". I do think that baseball is guilty of it (throwing the ball fast every day), but not in soccer. our kids play a fraction of what most kids around the world play. injuries are injuries- can happen from playing every day or a freak accident on the playground.

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Post by Soccer_Mom_03 on 16/07/18, 04:51 pm

soccerhuh18 wrote:
SoccerDad75070 wrote:And another interesting one:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/07/the-downsides-of-americas-hyper-competitive-youth-soccer-industry/565109/

I find it really interesting that, with so many articles addressing the issue, parents are still somehow able to ignore the staggering statistics of early burnout and overuse injuries, because their kids “love it so much and don’t want to do anything else.” The system needs to be fed to stay alive. I fully blame parents with insane priorities.

Absolutely! How many parents are living vicariously through their kids though? I already said something like this before—- it’s just too fun to be able to post “At State Cup, watching Little Susie play with (Insert team name here).”

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Post by Guest on 16/07/18, 05:13 pm

As far as burnout goes, have always used a simple barometer with my kids.

Are they motivated to go to practice? If I tell them 2 hours before "This is what time we have to leave for practice. You need to be dressed and ready to go, have your gear together, have your water jug filled. I'm not going to remind you. If you're not ready to go, we're not going."

If they are ready to go and reminding YOU that it's time to leave for practice, then they are motivated, having fun, and getting the social interaction that they need.

If you are having to drag them off the couch and out the door, a change is in order.

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Post by Zizou on 16/07/18, 05:17 pm

Yes, so quit blaming the clubs for producing a profitable soccer platform for all the irrepressible, vicarious living through others, rich parents.

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Post by TxFutbal on 16/07/18, 05:20 pm

Didn't you hear.. the bigs are forming a diaper division and Mr. Rourk's sidekick is gonna be the DOC.. I wonder if the tots will get punished and be sent to their crib with no milk if they can't get that overlap down by the end of summer 2-a-days.

Whatever happened to cupcakes after a game and going to the concession stand and asking for a suicide soda? this world is getting out of control

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Post by BENDMEOVER on 17/07/18, 01:11 pm

That's some good stuff Maynard. Might want to teach self-defense classes as well.

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Post by soccerhuh18 on 17/07/18, 01:28 pm

AlittleBitofSanity wrote:
soccerhuh18 wrote:
SoccerDad75070 wrote:And another interesting one:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/07/the-downsides-of-americas-hyper-competitive-youth-soccer-industry/565109/

I find it really interesting that, with so many articles addressing the issue, parents are still somehow able to ignore the staggering statistics of early burnout and overuse injuries, because their kids “love it so much and don’t want to do anything else.” The system needs to be fed to stay alive. I fully blame parents with insane priorities.
Maybe, but girls should not be having surgery for torn ACL’s at 12...



the parents are definitely to blame- we drain the fun out of it.    we feel that if our child is one of the better players in rec, he is not being pushed enough.    this is really not limited to sports.  goes the same for academics.     only difference is that academics can actually lead to a brighter future-   club soccer (for 99.9999999%) will not.   I do think the overuse injury argument is "overused".   I do think that baseball is guilty of it (throwing the ball fast every day), but not in soccer.   our kids play a fraction of what most kids around the world play.   injuries are injuries-   can happen from playing every day or a freak accident on the playground.  

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Post by AlittleBitofSanity on 17/07/18, 02:19 pm

you can tear you ACL playing hacky-sack. maybe it should be rephrased that we put too much emphasis on the games and the kids over-exert themselves so their parents dont get mad after the game.

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Post by soccerhuh18 on 17/07/18, 04:30 pm

AlittleBitofSanity wrote:you can tear you ACL playing hacky-sack.  maybe it should be rephrased that we put too much emphasis on the games and the kids over-exert themselves so their parents dont get mad after the game.    
ACL tears in young female athletes have increased by 2.5% every year for 20 years. That seems like a lot. Because I have two daughters who like sports, I pay attention to that kind of stuff and it’s all research by doctors and universities. Girls are more suceptible because of their physiology, and there are preventative measures that can be taken, but that doesn’t take away the fact that it’s a growing problem that is widely attributed to early sports specialization.

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Post by AlittleBitofSanity on 17/07/18, 05:19 pm

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AlittleBitofSanity wrote:you can tear you ACL playing hacky-sack.  maybe it should be rephrased that we put too much emphasis on the games and the kids over-exert themselves so their parents dont get mad after the game.    
ACL tears in young female athletes have increased by 2.5% every year for 20 years. That seems like a lot. Because I have two daughters who like sports, I pay attention to that kind of stuff and it’s all research by doctors and universities. Girls are more suceptible because of their physiology, and there are preventative measures that can be taken, but that doesn’t take away the fact that it’s a growing problem that is widely attributed to early sports specialization.


I agree with your statement. I think all kids should play more than one sport. my kids all do. think baseball is the most dangerous in that department. asking a kid to throw as hard as they can over and over everyday is dangerous. cant strengthen a ligament. I think another layer to this is how physical youth soccer has become. coaches definitely are looking for the bigger/stronger kids vs. the skilled players. coaches equate hitting and physicallity to effort. where you find a big difference is between coaches that have their own kids vs ones that don't.

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Post by BENDMEOVER on 17/07/18, 06:12 pm

We all have choices to make for our kids. Do we continue feeding something that is killing the love of the game or do we make a change.

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Post by Zizou on 17/07/18, 06:28 pm

Dude, killing the love of the game? Lol, so many options and places to play in North Texas.. the opinions expressed on this board are of the minority.. Most parents do not spend time watching this board and the kids could careless.

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Post by BENDMEOVER on 17/07/18, 07:08 pm

Read the article you might learn something today.

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Post by dreadpirateroberts on 17/07/18, 07:22 pm

The problem isn’t the clubs- it’s who’s playing in them. IMHO 70% of the kids in club should be playing rec. they are getting half ass coaching and care more about the social aspect. But they have all left and drained rec.
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Post by Zizou on 17/07/18, 08:23 pm

SoccerSuckers wrote:Read the article you might learn something today.

I would learn a whole hell of a lot more if you wouldn’t continue to post. I bet your one of those in the office that is so negative and down no one wants to be around you. See I learned something today! I completely understand that everything on the internet you read must be true.

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Post by BENDMEOVER on 17/07/18, 08:41 pm

Big business has spoken. Dangling that gold.
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Post by BigKickKiddo on 18/07/18, 07:50 am

This is the same re hashed conversation that happens year in and year out on here. Im just waiting for the next Tard to come on here saying something about multi sport athletes and "off season". your kid wants to play soccer and they are decent at it, you play club. Period. Yes you pay for it, but thats the US System, its never going to change. ACL, MCL, TCL, JDL. Who cares, injuries happen, you cant control it. Pretty sure you can still get a weak in at Theatre camp if you want.

As for starting kids young in club, I started 1 kid at 8 after 4 years in rec, my second kid I started in club at 4. Window licking Daddy ball just instills bad behavior and is wasted time when they can learn so much at a young age. Participation trophies, 50/50 play, all ruining the game. Rec soccer is like my college softball "Beer League".
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Post by BENDMEOVER on 18/07/18, 08:19 am

Read the article Big Business. Your talking your language. The clubs are killing the foundation of soccer and kids aren't playing it as much. People aren't going to pay for soccer if they cant afford it. If you continue to suck up rec teams and coaches kick them to curb and players thrown to the system it's only going to trend even further. Let's talk about that and what the article really says.

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