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ECNL - How does dual roster work?

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Post by scrappy on 16/07/12, 05:09 pm

How do teams/coaches determine which players to dual roster?

Who gets the nod; The ECNL core players or the players expected to see less playing time on the ECNL roster?

Are practices split between the 2 teams sharing the same player?

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Re: ECNL - How does dual roster work?

Post by golgolgol on 16/07/12, 05:41 pm

scrappy wrote:How do teams/coaches determine which players to dual roster?

Who gets the nod; The ECNL core players or the players expected to see less playing time on the ECNL roster?

Are practices split between the 2 teams sharing the same player?

it is completely up to the different teams/coaches. There is no hard rule on how this works.

My dd was dual rostered last year. She basically only played when needed due to injuries, but she ended up playing quite a bit. There were others that were dual rostered that never played a game, and one that played a single game.

Some teams have girls that are dual rostered that played every ECNL game all year, sometimes as a starter.

If this is being presented to you, things to consider:

How much playing time does dd get on the LHGCL team?
if she is not a starter there, then don't expect a lot of time on ECNL.

How many are on the ECNL roster?
If the roster is pretty full, again, don't expect a lot of time.

Things to discuss with the coaches:

Do they both bless this dual roster for your dd?
LHGCL coach may not like it and pass on the anger to dd's playing time.

Do both coaches expect dd at each practice? Or only LHGCL practices until they are needed at ECNL?

Some coaches want them at all practices, which could make for a lot of soccer all year. Some coaches say stay with LHGCL practices, and if they foresee a need for ECNL then join those practices leading up to the game.

Good luck with whatever happens.
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Re: ECNL - How does dual roster work?

Post by Medicine Man on 14/10/17, 11:01 am

Most of the dual rostered players today float from the pool based on the strengths of the upcoming game and show up at games. Parents continue to be ok w little Suzy sitting on the bench or did the parents get the old bait and switch? Poor little suzy just sits in the sun all game.

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Post by Medicine Man on 14/10/17, 01:04 pm

Zizou you are the expert coming from your old buddy. Can you educate us on the dual rostering along w CPP. What's your experience w the amount of both in LH in a actual game . Back in August you were upset w your old ECNL coach. Enlighten us.

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Post by Medicine Man on 15/10/17, 07:51 am

Since Zizou doesn't want to answer my question what's the average of dual and CPP in any game in LH . We know there's 3 CP's allowed until the last game of the Spring season what's a standard dual rostered plus CP game are we talking 5 maybe 6 players that don't normally practice w the team on any given Sat...

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Re: ECNL - How does dual roster work?

Post by Zizou on 15/10/17, 10:28 am

Man, I have not seen nor been to a  LHGCL game in 5 years. LHGCL has become a place clubs can produce multiple teams with full paying rosters to generate funds to support these DA programs. Between LHGCL and ECNL they have doubled possibly trippled their participation numbers with massive 23 man ECNL And ECNL composite rosters along with multiple teams at each level of LHGCL. You do the math, money, money, money.

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Post by Zizou on 15/10/17, 10:33 am

ECNL and LHGCL have two completely different governing bodies. Players can be rostered on both without regulation or control by either governing body. Makes movement between leagues very easy. Of course, it all perfectly legal due to leagues having no control as long as the paperwork and rostering is done up front. Then add in CPP into the equation and well pretty much clubs can do what ever they want.

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Post by Zizou on 15/10/17, 10:43 am

Their maybe one way to control the movement of players into LHGCL. Would be for like ECNL to take on a policy that the girls DA has . Once a player after 6 games played is deemed a full time DA player may not play in any other league. But what’s the chance of that happening.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 15/10/17, 01:12 pm

Zizou wrote:Man, I have not seen nor been to a  LHGCL game in 5 years. LHGCL has become a place clubs can produce multiple teams with full paying rosters to generate funds to support these DA programs. Between LHGCL and ECNL they have doubled possibly trippled their participation numbers with massive 23 man ECNL And ECNL composite rosters along with multiple teams at each level of LHGCL. You do the math, money, money, money.
Just because you are on 2 rosters does not mean you are paying 2X the dues. It is not about money. The club is paying dual league fees without the benefit of 2 complete seperate rosters in some cases. ECNL is in its 8th year and we are still talking about this.

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Re: ECNL - How does dual roster work?

Post by Zizou on 15/10/17, 01:58 pm

rostering players in two leagues sending ringers in when needed, maintaining higher LHGCL status, increases the willingness of parents to pay full price. Even if Susie sits some games. Those leagues fees are minor compared to the revenue those maxxed rosters bring in.

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Re: ECNL - How does dual roster work?

Post by Medicine Man on 16/10/17, 07:18 am

Is their full disclosure to the paying parents or is the bait and switch tactic common. From my experience there's a lot of buyers remorse when little Suzys start sitting on the bench every game and players show up not practicing w the team.

If the few only get game development long term what does that do for the business as well as the development for little Suzy. To me that shooting yourself in the foot.

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Post by Medicine Man on 16/10/17, 07:55 am

Basically in your face the coach is saying your daughter can practice but to win games we need the pool to keep our byes so we can keep paying our electric bill there will be more little Suzies to take the bait later. Is that what your saying Zizou.

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Post by cr7futbol on 16/10/17, 10:43 am

Medicine Man- Maybe if you did not post 5-7 times per day and spent some time working with your DD, she would not sit the bench and enjoy the sun on weekends. I think some people forgot that this is competitive soccer. If you stop talking about "bait and switch" and "coaches lying to your face" and start focusing on your DD and what you can do to help her improve, it will make the world much easier for you.

I am not sure I remember reading in the rules that all players will get treated equally. I am sure that it is in there just after all kids get a participation trophy.

Everyone can complain about what is fair and unfair. Let's shift the focus to what we can control and make sure we put our kids in a position to compete and have fun.

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Re: ECNL - How does dual roster work?

Post by Medicine Man on 16/10/17, 05:18 pm

People don't sign contracts for their kid to be replaced by a player that never practices and just shows up on the field because winning is more important than development. If the coach actually did his job and played the actual.team the DD might actually learn the game. That's what we are paying for I thought.

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Post by Lefty on 16/10/17, 05:27 pm

If your DD is good enough and you are smart enough, she can be dual rostered and you don't pay for either one.

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Post by Medicine Man on 16/10/17, 05:38 pm

Lefty on average how many dual rostered players in addition to CP players can we expect on Saturdays.

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Post by Guest on 16/10/17, 05:53 pm

Medicine Man wrote:Lefty on average how many dual rostered players in addition to CP players can we expect on Saturdays.

Ask your manager... he/she sees the other team's roster every week. CPP players have to be clearly highlighted on the roster per LHGCL rules, and it's a piece of cake to cross reference the roster against ECNL rosters. Plus, your manager should still have access to all of the game sheets from LHGCL games they've already played...

It'll take all of the guess (guest) work out of the discussion...

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Post by Medicine Man on 16/10/17, 05:57 pm

The guestimation of half the field is in play BW.

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Post by Guest on 16/10/17, 06:51 pm

Medicine Man wrote:The guestimation of half the field is in play BW.

Why guestimate... go get the info and let's find out for sure.

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Post by Medicine Man on 22/10/17, 02:15 pm

Who takes credit for the wins the kids or the club BW. Do the parents enjoy their fake rankings, are they ashamed because someone else played those games? Maybe they all don't care BW. Maybe only a few think it's wrong.

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Post by Jugglemaster on 25/10/17, 02:09 pm

In all the premier leagues or champs it’s a different team every week. Guests should be limited. To injuries

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Post by Medicine Man on 25/10/17, 02:35 pm

Where's does the phantom teams stop. We go up the food chain of perception. Where does it end?

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Post by President Camacho on 25/10/17, 03:40 pm

Clarification please - CPP? Club Player Pool?
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Post by Guest on 25/10/17, 03:56 pm

President Camacho wrote:Clarification please - CPP? Club Player Pool?

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http://www.girlsclassicleague.org/page/show/1203644-club-player-pass-instructions

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Post by Medicine Man on 25/10/17, 04:20 pm

Dual roster rules also apply from the original post. It's one big pyramid scheme.

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