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Post by purplefrog on August 27th 2015, 2:21 pm

Is it just me, or do the teams in PPL D2 look much stronger than the teams in PPL D1?
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by blackcleatsoccerfan on August 27th 2015, 2:29 pm

are you in the wrong age group????
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by purplefrog on August 27th 2015, 2:41 pm

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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by CBTeamworks on August 27th 2015, 2:59 pm

I'm a little surprised that RFC Black is in D1 and AYSES Gold is in D2.

RFC Black won the old D2 but they were one of 7 teams that pretty much all tied each other in the old D2. So they promote RFC Black from a top 30 league up to the top 10 PPIL league and AYSES Gold gets relegated from D1 down to D2. The competition committee botched that one. AYSES Gold made it into the second weekend of LHGCL QT where RFC lost every game the first weekend. Funny stuff.

I do agree that there are some solid teams in D2. I actually don't think there's a whole lot of daylight between LHGCL D3 and PPIL D1/D2 and even a few teams in APIL.
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by deepblack on August 27th 2015, 4:34 pm

Next year LHGCL D3 will become PPIL D1
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by CBTeamworks on August 27th 2015, 4:39 pm

LHGCL
15 in D1
8 in D2
10 in D3

Are they going to relegate 3 teams next year to get to three divisions of 10?
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by SickofStupidity on August 27th 2015, 7:41 pm

CBTeamworks wrote:LHGCL
15 in D1
8 in D2
10 in D3

Are they going to relegate 3 teams next year to get to three divisions of 10?


Next year:

DI - 9 teams
DII - 10 teams
DIII - 10 teams

Bottom 8 in DIII this year will be relegated to qualifying, and will compete with other teams for 4 slots.

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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by blackcleatsoccerfan on August 27th 2015, 8:04 pm

what is the normal that would have happened in the past?
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by SickofStupidity on August 28th 2015, 8:16 am

I believe the end result is the same as it "normally" would have been.

5 teams would have been relegated under the old rules, but now 3 more due to the excess number of U12 teams

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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by CBTeamworks on August 28th 2015, 8:18 am

Will they automatically be PPIL D1 or will they have to play the placement tournament and then have the VP of competition place them in the appropriate division?
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by SickofStupidity on August 28th 2015, 8:22 am

My understanding - they will have to play the placement tournament and the have the VP place them in the "appropriate" division.

** See applicable conversations in other age groups regarding teams being placed in "appropriate" divisions. Mad

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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by CBTeamworks on August 28th 2015, 8:28 am

Is the custom that relegated LHGCL teams get placed into PPIL D1?
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by tigerdad on August 28th 2015, 8:59 am

SickofSilliness wrote:I believe the end result is the same as it "normally" would have been.

5 teams would have been relegated under the old rules, but now 3 more due to the excess number of U12 teams

Not normal at all this year.  The teams that win LHGCL D2 and D3 this year will not automatically get promoted a division up.  They will go into a play-in tournament.  Here is how it works after this season.

U12 DI = 15 Teams
1st thru 8th place earn a BYE and remain in DI
9th thru 13th place earn a BYE and position in DI pool playoff matches
14th and 15th place earn a BYE and move to DII
U12 DII = 8 Teams
1st place earns a BYE and position in DI pool playoff matches
2nd and 3rd place earn a BYE and remain in DII
4th thru 6th place earn a BYE and position in DII pool playoff matches
7th and 8th place earn a BYE and move to DIII
U12 DIII = 10 Teams
1st place earns a BYE and position in DII pool playoff matches
2nd place earns a BYE and remain in DIII
3rd thru 10th place do not receive a BYE and must re-qualify There will be 4 open spots for DIII in QT
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by SickofStupidity on August 28th 2015, 9:04 am

The question revolved around relegation - not the entire other mess LHGCL has created.

Unfortunate that LHGCL chose not to reward teams who earn promotion next year, by instead rewarding teams this year who did not earn it.

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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by CBTeamworks on August 28th 2015, 9:11 am

I assume all these carefully made plans for LHGCL get thrown out the window when some teams don't make?
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by SickofStupidity on August 28th 2015, 9:13 am

I believe that the playoffs occur prior to knowing if a team didn't make. However, after that, who knows. If a DII team doesn't make, do they take the playoff runner up? That would make sense, but ????

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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by bad_daddy on August 28th 2015, 9:43 am

CBTeamworks wrote:I'm a little surprised that RFC Black is in D1 and AYSES Gold is in D2.

RFC Black won the old D2 but they were one of 7 teams that pretty much all tied each other in the old D2. So they promote RFC Black from a top 30 league up to the top 10 PPIL league and AYSES Gold gets relegated from D1 down to D2. The competition committee botched that one. AYSES Gold made it into the second weekend of LHGCL QT where RFC lost every game the first weekend.  Funny stuff.

I do agree that there are some solid teams in D2. I actually don't think there's a whole lot of daylight between LHGCL D3 and PPIL D1/D2 and even a few teams in APIL.

RFC did win D2 as you stated.  RFC lost to Sting Harr by a goal this last week.  Not a terrible start to D1.  There are potential worse teams in D1 than RFC.  I also believe they have built a pretty solid team over the summer and are just trying to put the pieces together.  All teams have bad days/weekends in reference to the tournament statement.

Not knocking the AYSES Gold.  AYSES seems like a good organization and have really nice fields. Maybe they should be in D1.  They lost in the semifinals @ the Texas Summer Classic.  My DD team lost to AYSES Gold on an own goal.

I'm not stating the division is correct or not correct...it is what it is.  Time will show what teams will need to move up or down.  There was a lot a movement this summer and I personally think a lot of teams have changed starting all the way up at LHD1.  

Wish all the girls playing the best of luck and hope everyone has a great season.

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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by loyalsoccermom on September 1st 2015, 3:38 pm

CBTeamworks wrote:I'm a little surprised that RFC Black is in D1 and AYSES Gold is in D2.

RFC Black won the old D2 but they were one of 7 teams that pretty much all tied each other in the old D2. So they promote RFC Black from a top 30 league up to the top 10 PPIL league and AYSES Gold gets relegated from D1 down to D2. The competition committee botched that one. AYSES Gold made it into the second weekend of LHGCL QT where RFC lost every game the first weekend.  Funny stuff.

I do agree that there are some solid teams in D2. I actually don't think there's a whole lot of daylight between LHGCL D3 and PPIL D1/D2 and even a few teams in APIL.

It's interesting that you know so much about the RFC Black team? If you would have looked a bit further, you should have discovered they only lost 1 game last Fall/Spring seasons combined (pretty sure my facts are correct). We are talking about 11 and 12 yr old girls - and for you to call the RFC Black team out and say they don't belong is pretty low. Currently they are tied for 3rd in PPL1 and won the Bob Wiseman Tournament Gold division this past weekend. So, in my book, they are right where they should be. Spend your time and effort elsewhere.
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Re: PPl D1 v PPL D2

Post by CBTeamworks on September 1st 2015, 3:53 pm

loyalsoccermom wrote:
CBTeamworks wrote:I'm a little surprised that RFC Black is in D1 and AYSES Gold is in D2.

RFC Black won the old D2 but they were one of 7 teams that pretty much all tied each other in the old D2. So they promote RFC Black from a top 30 league up to the top 10 PPIL league and AYSES Gold gets relegated from D1 down to D2. The competition committee botched that one. AYSES Gold made it into the second weekend of LHGCL QT where RFC lost every game the first weekend.  Funny stuff.

I do agree that there are some solid teams in D2. I actually don't think there's a whole lot of daylight between LHGCL D3 and PPIL D1/D2 and even a few teams in APIL.

It's interesting that you know so much about the RFC Black team? If you would have looked a bit further, you should have discovered they only lost 1 game last Fall/Spring seasons combined (pretty sure my facts are correct). We are talking about 11 and 12 yr old girls - and for you to call the RFC Black team out and say they don't belong is pretty low. Currently they are tied for 3rd in PPL1 and won the Bob Wiseman Tournament Gold division this past weekend. So, in my book, they are right where they should be. Spend your time and effort elsewhere.

I never said they weren't a good team. Plenty of good teams in PPIL. I'm saying that their play in LHGCL didn't warrant a promotion from D2 to the new D1 while a team that was in D1 and played well in LHGCL AYSES Gold was demoted from D1 to the new D2. Congrats on your wins this week. Looks like the bulletin board material that I provided helped to fire everyone up. A simple thank you would suffice.
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Post by KnKsDad on September 1st 2015, 5:50 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:The question revolved around relegation - not the entire other mess LHGCL has created.

Unfortunate that LHGCL chose not to reward teams who earn promotion next year, by instead rewarding teams this year who did not earn it.

So did your team earn a reward/promotion this past season that they did not get?

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