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Post by AtThePitch on 23/09/15, 06:31 am

Magenta, dynamo, and dynamite should be handled the exact same way... not included in FBR calculations at all. They should not exist in FBR.

In fact didn't JM go on record saying to not include any of his squads, period.

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Post by SkeetsG06 on 23/09/15, 07:34 am

AtThePitch wrote:Magenta, dynamo, and dynamite should be handled the exact same way... not included in FBR calculations at all. They should not exist in FBR.

In fact didn't JM go on record saying to not include any of his squads, period.

Makes sense! If that is the case, their games should not count against the opponents either.

If i understand FBR calculation correctly, the various names (Magenta, Dynamite, etc.) games don't count in FBR against Selecao but it does count for the opponents. scratch

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Post by FBR06G on 23/09/15, 07:36 am

magenta is a mix of players that varies everytime they play and is coached by a parent from my understanding

Dynamite is a selecao roster and Dynamo is a JM roster. Each week a few players from the other roster cross over.

I am sure you could ask a 100 people how it should be handled and everyone would have very different opinions. This is how I have concluded to handle it.

Dynamite and Dynamo games count against them and their opponents.
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Post by AtThePitch on 23/09/15, 07:41 am

Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams. .

It's not 1-2 players. No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.
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Post by SkeetsG06 on 23/09/15, 07:57 am

FBR06G wrote:magenta is a mix of players that varies everytime they play and is coached by a parent from my understanding

Dynamite is a selecao roster and Dynamo is a JM roster. Each week a few players from the other roster cross over.

I am sure you could ask a 100 people how it should be handled and everyone would have very different opinions. This is how I have concluded to handle it.

Dynamite and Dynamo games count against them and their opponents.  

Historically, Magenta counted towards Selecao. It was positioned as Selecao, even though shared rostered players (like the two Kicks North girls) played, but not coached by Juan.

Ultimately, it does not matter, just makes it hard to understand whether FBR is credible. Good news is FBRAP is trying to establish a credible approach.

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Post by FBR06G on 23/09/15, 08:05 am

AtThePitch wrote:Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams.  .  

It's not 1-2 players.  No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.

Yes this is true. However my squad was the one guilty of mixing rosters Saturday.
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Post by FBR06G on 23/09/15, 08:08 am

SkeetsG06 wrote:
FBR06G wrote:magenta is a mix of players that varies everytime they play and is coached by a parent from my understanding

Dynamite is a selecao roster and Dynamo is a JM roster. Each week a few players from the other roster cross over.

I am sure you could ask a 100 people how it should be handled and everyone would have very different opinions. This is how I have concluded to handle it.

Dynamite and Dynamo games count against them and their opponents.  

Historically, Magenta counted towards Selecao.  It was positioned as Selecao, even though shared rostered players (like the two Kicks North girls) played, but not coached by Juan.  

Ultimately, it does not matter, just makes it hard to understand whether FBR is credible.  Good news is FBRAP is trying to establish a credible approach.

Again not everyone will agree with whichever way this is approached.    Anyway it is handled there will be fans and there will be people who strongly disagree.    I think if a second FBR is done and handled a different way it will be good for people to have two viewpoints to look at.
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Post by Buddy Israel on 23/09/15, 08:12 am

What will people do nxt year with all of that free time on there hands that u will have when u don't have to worry about other teams and what they are doing with there players?
They may actually have time to develop there own rosters. affraid Imagine that.
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Post by AtThePitch on 23/09/15, 08:15 am

FBR06G wrote:
AtThePitch wrote:Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams.  .  

It's not 1-2 players.  No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.

Yes this is true.   However my squad was the one guilty of mixing rosters Saturday.

Did you report it to TGPL, should have been a forfeit on your squad. Lol.

JM plays at UAL on sundays. Selecao is doing boys league. Anything else is "magenta".
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Post by FBR06G on 23/09/15, 08:19 am

AtThePitch wrote:
FBR06G wrote:
AtThePitch wrote:Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams.  .  

It's not 1-2 players.  No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.

Yes this is true.   However my squad was the one guilty of mixing rosters Saturday.

Did you report it to TGPL, should have been a forfeit on your squad. Lol.  

JM plays at UAL on sundays. Selecao is doing boys league.  Anything else is "magenta".

Actually because we have a team in silver and a team in gold we are allowed to mix.
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Post by AtThePitch on 23/09/15, 08:21 am

Just makes ya feel are warm and fuzzy doesn't it. Lol
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Post by Guest on 23/09/15, 08:32 am

Buddy Israel wrote:What will people do nxt year with all of that free time on there hands that u will have when u don't have to worry about other teams and what they are doing with there players?
They may actually have time to develop there own rosters. affraid Imagine that.

Speak for yourself. Very Happy

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Post by majorpayne on 23/09/15, 11:59 am

Same pool of soccer players that have to play somewhere week in, week out. We get it. Kicks win , counts as wins for selecao or JM . Kicks loose, it is Magenta , Dynamo , Dynamite. Pretty close to communism headed by a dictator. Comeon JM , keep singing "take selecao and JM off FBR". And FBR06 won't follow your orders.

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AtThePitch wrote:Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams.  .  

It's not 1-2 players.  No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.

Yes this is true.   However my squad was the one guilty of mixing rosters Saturday.

Did you report it to TGPL, should have been a forfeit on your squad. Lol.  

JM plays at UAL on sundays. Selecao is doing boys league.  Anything else is "magenta".

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Post by FBR06G on 23/09/15, 12:08 pm

majorpayne wrote:Same pool of soccer players that have to play somewhere week in, week out.  We get it. Kicks win , counts as wins for selecao or JM .  Kicks loose, it is Magenta , Dynamo , Dynamite.  Pretty close to communism headed by a dictator.   Comeon JM , keep singing "take selecao and JM off FBR".  And FBR06 won't follow your orders.

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AtThePitch wrote:Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams.  .  

It's not 1-2 players.  No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.

Yes this is true.   However my squad was the one guilty of mixing rosters Saturday.

Dynamo counts as JM.   Dynamite counts as Selecao.    

Did you report it to TGPL, should have been a forfeit on your squad. Lol.  

JM plays at UAL on sundays. Selecao is doing boys league.  Anything else is "magenta".

Once again Dynamite counts toward Selecao and Dynamo counts as JM.

If the coach wants all his teams removed from FBR that is fine. Is that what you want JM?


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Post by AtThePitch on 23/09/15, 12:13 pm

Sorry honey, major payne isnt me....
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Post by PLAY2FEET!! on 23/09/15, 12:35 pm

FBR06G wrote:
majorpayne wrote:Same pool of soccer players that have to play somewhere week in, week out.  We get it. Kicks win , counts as wins for selecao or JM .  Kicks loose, it is Magenta , Dynamo , Dynamite.  Pretty close to communism headed by a dictator.   Comeon JM , keep singing "take selecao and JM off FBR".  And FBR06 won't follow your orders.

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AtThePitch wrote:Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams.  .  

It's not 1-2 players.  No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.

Yes this is true.   However my squad was the one guilty of mixing rosters Saturday.

Dynamo counts as JM.   Dynamite counts as Selecao.    

Did you report it to TGPL, should have been a forfeit on your squad. Lol.  

JM plays at UAL on sundays. Selecao is doing boys league.  Anything else is "magenta".

Once again Dynamite counts toward Selecao and Dynamo counts as JM.    

If the coach wants all his teams removed from FBR that is fine.    Is that what you want JM?  
Don't feed the troll.

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Post by jm23jm on 23/09/15, 02:00 pm

FBR06G wrote:
majorpayne wrote:Same pool of soccer players that have to play somewhere week in, week out.  We get it. Kicks win , counts as wins for selecao or JM .  Kicks loose, it is Magenta , Dynamo , Dynamite.  Pretty close to communism headed by a dictator.   Comeon JM , keep singing "take selecao and JM off FBR".  And FBR06 won't follow your orders.

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AtThePitch wrote:Your squad played them last Saturday morning at tgpl, so you know exactly how many kids were on that sideline, in the game, and are on those teams.  .  

It's not 1-2 players.  No one would argue that, not even them... but we get it.

Yes this is true.   However my squad was the one guilty of mixing rosters Saturday.

Dynamo counts as JM.   Dynamite counts as Selecao.    

Did you report it to TGPL, should have been a forfeit on your squad. Lol.  

JM plays at UAL on sundays. Selecao is doing boys league.  Anything else is "magenta".

Once again Dynamite counts toward Selecao and Dynamo counts as JM.    

If the coach wants all his teams removed from FBR that is fine.    Is that what you want JM?  

Yes bc I don't want anyone to think I use FBR to recruit players.  I don't care about being ranked #1 at U10.  I care about developing players to compete on the national level.  

I created Magenta not to hide the fact I share players.  Magenta is not a team.  I've always had low rosters on my teams for maximum playing time.  I rather create multiple teams to give sufficient amount of playing time to players.  I believe kids need to be in the right training environment to develop but also need sufficient amount of playing time to feed the love of the game. They are kids.....they want to PLAY.  It worked well for my 01's so I'm not changing what worked.  

When we started Kicks JM with 4 players we used Selecao players bc we didn't want to play 4v9, as we added players we used less and less Selecao players.  The complaints were that Kicks JM uses Selecao players to prop up their FBR. No, we used Kicks Selecao players to field enough to be able to play.  

I'm going to continue focusing on development with my teams, not any rankings.   This is academy and games really don't mean anything.   I wish scores weren't even kept.  


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I originally registered for PT under Kicks Selecao and Kicks JM. Our roster size is not huge on either team.  We have one player injured on Kicks JM and everyone knows we use two Kicks north players on Selecao.  The Kicks North players were not going to play all games with Selecao in PT.   That would be too many games for those players, so plan was to have (2-3) players crossover each weekend.  After the 1st week, Dom approached me bc team(s) complained about us sharing players.  I didn't know it was against rules.  It is not a US CLUB or USYSA academy rules. It is a Primetime rule. Again, I didn't know about the PT rule.  This is academy soccer and you can share players from different divisions  and different clubs but not in the same division? I don't agree with reason for the rule. If teams were playing for 1st place or playoffs then I understand bc you can load the 2nd team for standings.  There is no 1st place (trophy) on the line.  However, i understand rules and if you don't follow them then suffer the consequences.  Dom and I agreed to forfeit all games since we share players.  The wins don't matter to me.  FBR doesn't matter to me.  I created Dynamo and Dynamite bc I didn't want 16 forfeits on our gotsoccer rosters, didn't want people to assume we used overage player(s) in a league.

Good luck to all families as you transition to calendar year. My only advice is to not use FBR standings to look for a team.

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Post by cobb on 23/09/15, 03:17 pm

peace11 wrote:Good luck to all families as you transition to calendar year. My only advice is to not use FBR standings to look for a team.

Deserves its own thread!

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Post by f4all on 23/09/15, 07:31 pm

The golden year of FBR has passed. To me, FBR was at its comical zenith when you had Kicks selecao , JM, North, Borussia and Magenta as top 5.
I believe FBR06AP will be more comical pretty soon.

AtThePitch wrote:This FBR is comedy gold

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Post by AtThePitch on 23/09/15, 07:38 pm

f4all wrote:The golden year of FBR has passed. To me, FBR was at its comical zenith when you had Kicks selecao , JM, North, Borussia and Magenta as top 5.
I believe FBR06AP will be more comical pretty soon.  

AtThePitch wrote:This FBR is comedy gold

Care to pull that FBR up?

You stated Selecao, JM, Magenta, North, and Borussia were top 5.

Prove it big boy... or should I say big girl?
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Post by f4all on 23/09/15, 07:42 pm

you win, I am a "big fat liar".  Selecao , JM , north and magenta were in top 10.  And borussia was in top 20. JM comes on record and says he had 4 JM players and a "rogue FBR author" with JM ranked #1.   What more proof do u need ?

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Post by AtThePitch on 23/09/15, 07:51 pm

You know what... I wont waste anymore energy and respond to this post or you...

Its a DTS FBR. Lets just leave it at that.
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Post by KeeperCommander on 23/09/15, 08:50 pm

FBR06G wrote:They are crossing over players.   Any other league they would be able to do that.   Even had manager of one team who lost text me actual score.   I have been entering actual score.

If they really wanted the records at year end they can merge the got soccer accounts.

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Post by Zizou on 23/09/15, 09:03 pm

Borussia, ease up on the old boy. FBR can never be a trusted source again!

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