On the Horizon

2015 was the rain and cancelled games, and that caused a mess and leagues didn't complete games, and then resulted to a 'make everyone happy' solution at the expense of keeping the league competitive.

Now in 2016, some smart person has decided that age-pure is needed.

Regardless of when the birthday deadlines are, there's still going to be children at the front and 360 days behind in age. But lets screw up the leagues again and make a bigger mess.

So now, we must look forward to more drama as teams must decide which age group to play in. It's just going to be a bigger mess.

In the end the kids are the ones that are affected.

IMO, the best solution for a kid is to remain on the same team and grow within the confines of the same team.

Every kid that I seen leave my daughter's 01 team 5 years ago for higher div play haven't become better players than if they would have stayed.

The best solution would have been to start with the age thing in the academy and just let the girls finish as a grandfathered rule using existing age rules.

That's my 2 cents.....

Wait!!!! They are going age pure?

your 2 cents arent worth a penny.

Ditto

ItsMeAgain doesn't like me

DallasMessi wrote:
Every kid that I seen leave my daughter's 01 team 5 years ago for higher div play haven't become better players than if they would have stayed.

Just because those kids left for a higher division team doesn't guarantee they'd become better players. Much of that is dependent on coaching, skills, style of play, etc.

Perhaps those girls who left had goals of playing HS soccer and felt they needed to join a higher division team to achieve that goal.

allhatnocattle wrote:

DallasMessi wrote:
Every kid that I seen leave my daughter's 01 team 5 years ago for higher div play haven't become better players than if they would have stayed.

Perhaps those girls who left had goals of playing HS soccer and felt they needed to join a higher division team to achieve that goal.

Making the HS soccer team is more a function of geography than anything else.  We have girls from my daughter's club team playing varsity their freshman year.  Other are spending the year on JV rosters.  A few were lucky to achieve that.  Some schools are stacked with talent while others not so much.  I was a bit naïve.  I never expected the breadth of the talent gap I have seen between schools.  The skills that girls pick up during club ball help them compete but don't guarantee a starting varsity spot.  There are a lot of girls playing club soccer.  We same the same girls on Tuesday and Friday that we see on Saturday just in different jerseys and often different roles.  Its all good.  They enjoy playing with friends.

While geography plays a part in the numbers/opportunities, soccer skills are the deciding factor. Not what league your dd plays in.

And while I don't agree 100% with Marvel and Messi on the Plano vs LH discussion, I have seen a North Texas School starting a PPL kid while multiple LH div 1 players on same team are sitting the bench and playing considerable less.

GS

GoogleSoccer wrote:While geography plays a part in the numbers/opportunities, soccer skills are the deciding factor.  Not what league your dd plays in.

And while I don't agree 100% with Marvel and Messi on the Plano vs LH discussion, I have seen a North Texas School starting a PPL kid while multiple LH div 1 players on same team are sitting the bench and playing considerable less.

GS

correct on the league comment.....................wrong on the skills comment.............................speed, size, aggression, strength, and politics are the determining factors.................having soccer skills is just a bonus. just like ODP. a better explanation to your second comment as well then referring to marvelous and messi rationalizations.

Driver wrote:

allhatnocattle wrote:

DallasMessi wrote:
Every kid that I seen leave my daughter's 01 team 5 years ago for higher div play haven't become better players than if they would have stayed.

Perhaps those girls who left had goals of playing HS soccer and felt they needed to join a higher division team to achieve that goal.

Making the HS soccer team is more a function of geography than anything else.  We have girls from my daughter's club team playing varsity their freshman year.  Other are spending the year on JV rosters.  A few were lucky to achieve that.  Some schools are stacked with talent while others not so much.  I was a bit naïve.  I never expected the breadth of the talent gap I have seen between schools.  The skills that girls pick up during club ball help them compete but don't guarantee a starting varsity spot.  There are a lot of girls playing club soccer.  We same the same girls on Tuesday and Friday that we see on Saturday just in different jerseys and often different roles.  Its all good.  They enjoy playing with friends.

good point of view taken here

IMO, speed, size, aggression, strength are part of an individual's soccer skills, in addition to touches and soccer IQ.

Politics exists in Club Soccer too...

And all these mentioned by ItsNotMeAgain apply to Club Soccer

DallasMessi wrote:IMO, speed, size, aggression, strength are part of an individual's soccer skills, in addition to touches and soccer IQ.

Politics exists in Club Soccer too...

And all these mentioned by ItsNotMeAgain apply to Club Soccer

shows how uneducated you are. those are not skills. theyre traits and attributes or some would say genetics. what a stupid comment.  and to justify that its in club too, ok, yes, it is, but not to the same priority or extent.....................not even close.

ItsMeAgain wrote:

GoogleSoccer wrote:While geography plays a part in the numbers/opportunities, soccer skills are the deciding factor.  Not what league your dd plays in.

And while I don't agree 100% with Marvel and Messi on the Plano vs LH discussion, I have seen a North Texas School starting a PPL kid while multiple LH div 1 players on same team are sitting the bench and playing considerable less.

GS

correct on the league comment.....................wrong on the skills comment.............................speed, size, aggression, strength, and politics are the determining factors.................having soccer skills is just a bonus.  just like ODP.  a better explanation to your second comment as well then referring to marvelous and messi rationalizations.  

Agree with this last comment.

There are numerous factors beyond soccer that determine if and how much HS soccer your daughter will enjoy. HS coaches aren't evaluated under the same criteria as club coaches. Their livelihood is not determined by simple number of wins. They play who they want out of the pool available to them. The coach may not enjoy prima donnas. Not all pools are equal or even close to equal. It is possible that a Plano girl can match the skill of the LH D1 mentioned above. There are reasons she may prefer playing in Plano. Unless a player has tried unsuccessfully to make a D1 roster, you can't definitively say one is better. You can imply though. Competition determines quality. I know of one instance where a star Plano player is also the star of her HS team. It happens. It just isn't the norm. But if you are a school where the roster resembles an ECNL all-star team, any number of Plano and LH players may be watching a lot of soccer and playing little. On the other hand, you may see a LH D3 or Plano girl star at another school filled by lesser talent.

DallasMessi wrote:ItsMeAgain IMO opinion is trash.

Anyone who calls anyone stupid is trash.

Trash Trash Trash.

said comment was stupid.  not the person that said it.  and to show hypocrisy by calling me trash, come on.......................get over it and move on.

(couldnt delete your comment fast enough could you.................... )

ItsMeAgain - your small tunnel vision is really not welcome here....

IMO
strength- being able to hold off a defender with the ball is a soccer skill. just because you are strong (trait) doesn't mean you can do it on the field.

speed- being able to dribble and sprint w/o loosing the ball is a soccer skill

size- knowing how to use your size in soccer to score is a soccer skill or what ever is a skill. just being a big girls is a trait.

etc etc

DallasMessi wrote:ItsMeAgain - your small tunnel vision is really not welcome here....

IMO
strength- being able to hold off a defender with the ball is a soccer skill.  just because you are strong (trait) doesn't mean you can do it on the field.

speed-   being able to dribble and sprint w/o loosing the ball is a soccer skill

size- knowing how to use your size in soccer to score (with a ball of course) is a soccer skill or what ever is a skill. just being a big girls is a trait. (exactly)


etc etc

just give it up man.................you've taken all that I mentioned out of context and tried to put them in my mouth.  not cool.

i wasn't referring to what they can do with the ball given the strength, speed, and size they have.  i was referring to their physical strength, physical speed, and physical size.  what a player does with a ball, regardless of strength, speed, and size is referred to as a S-K-I-L-L and everything you mentioned above was more about doing something with a ball instead of simply running faster, hitting harder, or being bigger.

i think at this point you should refer to yourself with the tunnel vision.  maybe you should go back to crying about the unfairness of lake highlands and how they screwed your team out of a precious spot.

Arguing over what a skill is. That's a new one.

ItsMeAgain gets off on nasty replies.

Not a not a nice person.  

Please leave.

I can only imagine what a horrible person you are in real life.

Just to clarify Google Soccer. The statement has always been the ECNL is the best. LH 1 is the 2nd best LH 2 is the third and so on across the board. My statement has been their are pockets and I think that is Messi's position as well. My position has been that the gap has gotten smaller for numerous reasons sometimes by choice sometimes due to the way the system is currently set up. I don't want anyone getting the words twisted as is apt to happen in this place.

It's been so interesting reading the banter though the 01 board is back alive and kicking. Thanks for the upset that allowed me to visit this place again. Please note I still call it an upset when a lower level team beats a higher level team. I like the underdog it makes for a fun story.

Here's to hoping the board can become civil again but I think I know the answer. Messi try to play nice, I think ItsMe is just trying to get a rise out of you and it's working.

Good post Marvel, and yes we both have same opinions.

All is good -

Let's just say ItsMeAgain can post all she wants now. I am not replying to her going forward.

OrangeBlooded wrote:Arguing over what a skill is.  That's a new one.

The real question is whether we are skillful debaters or merely full of skill debaters....

DallasMessi wrote:ItsMeAgain gets off on nasty replies.

Not a not a nice person.  

Please leave.

I can only imagine what a horrible person you are in real life.

you being the pot or the kettle now? i'm not the one referring to others as trash. you really need to get a backbone if you're going to post your opinion and start whining when it's challenged. Your lack of effective recent responses tells me youre arguements were misplaced and it's appreciated. I agree on one point with you, don't respond to me anymore. don't know why I wasted my time trying to help a brick wall look at things from a different angle.

open up you ears, listen to what others are saying instead of focusing on your own arguements, try getting a broader perspective, and grow up already.

Marvelousmar wrote:  
Here's to hoping the board can become civil again but I think I know the answer.  Messi try to play nice, I think ItsMe is just trying to get a rise out of you and it's working.

nope. just stating opinions and backing them up. if that "gets a rise" out of someone, not my doing. and if he doesn't like it he's welcome to leave the forum just as he invited me to. or should I say she..........

Playing in tall grass....now that is a skill.