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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 11:20 am

We went to several D1 camps and the coaches at this age group said JDL at this age was not recommended. Has anyone had that same advice from colllege coaches. From what I gather they aren't focusing their recruiting budgets for this league and trying to figure out now about DA in the long term scheme.

With so many leagues now and watered down teams. This really has changed budget costs and the value proposition for recruiting.
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Post by KeeperCommander on 29/09/17, 11:28 am

I dont think any D1 schools were going to come see a bunch of U Littles play. U13 and under, no. Would someone come see a player that they needed to have their radar on in a coule years? Perhaps.

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 11:32 am

I can tell the coaches are perplexed ECNL made it comfortable for them and all the politics in play was figured out. They might actually have to go back to the grass roots and have to do a little work and pay for their .meals.out of their own budgets and miss their siestas.

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 11:56 am

KC most coaches aren't good salespeople it was like the visual of a deer in the head lights conversation.

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Post by Guest on 29/09/17, 12:07 pm

Medicine Man wrote:KC most coaches aren't good salespeople it was like the visual of a deer in the head lights conversation.

If I was a college coach and you asked me about a league for 10-12 year old kids, I'd look at you like a deer in the headlights as well...

Don't think the problem is with the D1 College Coaches here...

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Post by 5050Ball on 29/09/17, 12:12 pm

Ya think?
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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 12:20 pm

I can tell no one on here has credible answers for this age group. The 12 years old play In the 07 forum.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 29/09/17, 12:31 pm

Medicine Man wrote:KC most coaches aren't good salespeople it was like the visual of a deer in the head lights conversation.
I bet most coaches are very good salespeople. Or they would not have any teams. Some cant sell for crap but can coach like no other.

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 12:46 pm

That's funny KC you are a natural jokester. The question most parents at the camps was where to put our kids that are 12 going into to Jr. High to get the most bang for their time. JDL was not recommended seem to be the majority response for my DD. It was a discussion to get minutes for development not about what team you are on. I thik k you miss xerstood the original thought I was discussing.

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Post by Guest on 29/09/17, 12:52 pm

Medicine Man wrote:I can tell no one on here has credible answers for this age group.  The 12 years old play In the 07 forum.

Since when? '07's are U11... meaning 11 and under. '05's are U13, meaning 13 and under. Since JDL is from '05's-'07's, that means you are primarily talking about a league for 10-12 year olds.

For the '05's, JDL is at best, the 3rd best league in NTX (behind DA & ECNL). The only 7th graders that a D1 College Coach is paying any attention to are playing in DA or ECNL, not JDL... THAT'S why you get a deer in the headlights look when you ask a D1 College Coach about JDL...

Again, the problem isn't with the college coaches here...

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 12:58 pm

What is the problem why they are perplexed BW.

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Post by TxFutbal on 29/09/17, 01:03 pm

That is because JDL is a Junior Development League. Its for development... ECNL and DA are competitive leagues. Naturally coaches are going to competitive leagues to watch kids play. Why would a coach go to a JDL match when coaches are using it coach a kid thru changes they are making?

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 01:11 pm

You keep missing the point here guys...if i thought coaches were coming to any games at this age would be foolish. It was a developmsnt question. The deer in the headlights was just insight for today.

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Post by SickofStupidity on 29/09/17, 01:11 pm

ok, I will keep it simple for you.

07 means . . . born in 2007

this year is 2017

so . . . kids born in 2007 are turning 10 in 2017

kids born in 2005 are turning 12 in 2017

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 01:14 pm

Why the deer in the headlights related to JDL for 12 year olds I still don't have the answer from anyone so far any takers?

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Post by TxFutbal on 29/09/17, 01:20 pm

My guess is the D1 coaches didn't know what JDL is/was.. It's only in the 2nd year of implementation and last year the inaugural year with a ton of misconception of what it was/was suppose to be in the local ranks. i would be really surprised if a D1 college coach knew JDL was even a thing last year considering it was brought about by ECNL member clubs. I am not even aware that it was implemented nationwide last year.

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Post by Zizou on 29/09/17, 01:43 pm

I would take a chill pill! You have a long road ahead of you.

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Post by Guest on 29/09/17, 01:57 pm

Medicine Man wrote:What is the problem why they are perplexed BW.

Because they know nothing about leagues that 7th graders play in, because they are not actively recruiting 7th graders.

If there's a 7th grader on their radar screen, it's because the kid came to their camp and absolutely blew their doors off, OR it's because the kid is so damn special that she is already drawing attention on the national scene (see Mallory Pugh, or for a more local example, the 2 Solar '03's that committed to Texas as 8th graders).

The only acronyms that D1 Coaches know are YNT, DA, ECNL, NL, PL, ODP, and LH (and arguments can be made as to whether ODP and LH will even be on their radar screen much longer). That's because those are the acronyms that 90+% of their recruits have next to their names by the time they are Freshman in HS.

If you throw an acronym outside of that group at a college coach, you're going to get a blank stare, because they have no clue about what you are asking about, and have no motivation to figure out what you are asking about.

Here's a suggestion... go to the team websites for the D1 teams who's Coaches you have spoken with... Go to the roster, and read the player bios. Most have a section that talks about their accomplishments in Club/HS soccer before they got to college. I guarantee you that after reading 10 or so bios on each team, you will start to see some common acronyms and some common accolades in the players on the roster. That will give you some good general insight in 2 key areas:

1) What's important to that particular coach
2) What level does your DD need to be playing at to make the roster AND to actually seeing meaningful minutes on the pitch.

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 02:22 pm

BW you get the gold star for effort. JDL was discouraged by the coaches. That's all I need to hear.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 29/09/17, 02:53 pm

Medicine Man wrote:That's funny KC you are a natural jokester. The question most parents at the camps was where to put our kids that are 12 going into to Jr. High to get the most bang for their time. JDL was not recommended seem to be the majority response for my DD. It was a  discussion to get minutes for development not about what team you are on. I thik k you miss xerstood the original thought I was discussing.
Well it is the million dollar question is right. The answer is there is no right or wrong answer. Whatever I say to you will be wrong for 10 others. Because it just isnt that simple. I am not a JDL hater, but why do I not prescribe to its philosophy? Simple, it was anther salesperson tactic to get you to believe exactly what they wanted you to. People believed it. They are not wrong, just I thought something else was better. Basicallly it wasnt the best league to be in just because they said it was. it wasnt then and its not now.
So in my opinion you put your DD where they can get max time and progress the fastest to most playing time and best competition for their talent level. Where you start is up to you and your DD.

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Post by Medicine Man on 29/09/17, 05:51 pm

KC now that's some truth. I think all the hype means nothing at this point and the college coaches reiterated that.

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Post by Medicine Man on 30/09/17, 11:28 am

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Post by ColtMcVince on 30/09/17, 01:26 pm

Are you certain college coaches even know what JDL is?

Seems like the recommendation would be one that emphasizes play time for your daughter as opposed to a specific league.

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Post by Medicine Man on 30/09/17, 01:34 pm

They been getting those free lunches and perks for awhile now...I would not be surprised to see the FBI looking at the soccer arena as well for kickbacks and illegal recruiting...It's big buisness....

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Post by Medicine Man on 30/09/17, 01:49 pm

Everyone has a price how much would you take Colt if you were in the coaches shoes?

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